RD Seamus Casey - Univ. of Michigan (2022, 46th, NJD)

[Michael Farkas]

He seemed to be a bit polarizing. Those who liked him though seemed to really like him

Yeah, some scouts I talked to had him as low as a mid-round pick and thought I was crazy (fair enough). I can't find anyone that had him higher than me...though, I passed up an opportunity to ask one person in particular who might have me beat (he was around other teams' scouts, so I showed some restraint haha).

In any case, let's not pop open any champagne just yet...he still has 0 pro games, but he's tracking exactly how I was expecting...which is awesome.

 

[Hisch13r]

Yeah, some scouts I talked to had him as low as a mid-round pick and thought I was crazy (fair enough). I can't find anyone that had him higher than me...though, I passed up an opportunity to ask one person in particular who might have me beat (he was around other teams' scouts, so I showed some restraint haha).

In any case, let's not pop open any champagne just yet...he still has 0 pro games, but he's tracking exactly how I was expecting...which is awesome.

@WhiskeyYerTheDevils had him as his top D and top 5 IIRC.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I’d take this guy over Lane Hutson. Not sure way Hutson is more hyped

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I’d take this guy over Lane Hutson. Not sure why Hutson is more hyped

Canadian team/Canadiens large fanbase. Hutson is a bit flashier as well

 

[Hisch13r]

I’d take this guy over Lane Hutson. Not sure way Hutson is more hyped

There's a few reasons.

Biggest one being one was drafted by the Habs and the other the Devils. Hutson also got a couple of NHL games already and looked really good

Also Hutson got the primary offensive duties in their DY together on the NTDP so he produced more as a result while Casey was in more of a two way role. Then in the NCAA Hutson has 2 years of insane offensive results. Casey was behind Luke his freshman year so again had a more limited offensive role which resulted in still great but much more modest offensive totals than Hutson. After a couple years of playing second fiddle to Hutson and Luke, Casey finally got to be the guy leading the way on the backend and his offensive totals exploded as a result but still didn't quite match what Hutson did.

I also think Hutson just plays a more fun, aggressive, and flashier offensive style than Casey does. Both had 2 tremendous years in the NCAA. Idk who ends up better long term. Hutson's going to get the bigger role in the NHL since he'll have less competition which will likely lead to him continuing to be viewed higher. I personally like Casey more because he's better on the defensive side while still bringing a ton offensively.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

@WhiskeyYerTheDevils had him as his top D and top 5 IIRC.

Yeah I had him 4th.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Yeah I had him 4th.

Oh. Ohhhhhhhhh. On closer inspection, I actually had him, um, 3...3th...

Well, I'm just gonna have to block you, that's my only recourse here haha

 

[KaraLupin]

It should be a max 2 years before there’s a spot opened and he’ll only be 22 then. Dougie should have 2 years max left here. Really shouldn’t be keeping him beyond summer 2026 as you really shouldn’t be paying 3D 8+ mil. They’ve got some time to figure things out. I definitely think he could play this year but playing most of the year in the AHL playing a ton of minutes would also be good for him. Siegs had a really rough year last year so with another poor year they probably move on from him which opens up a spot. If Siegs is good again then maybe you run out 7D when healthy in 25-26 to get Casey in the lineup. I think Casey could be a F/D hybrid as well that year. Whatever happens you just figure it out when the time comes rather than move on from him early as it’s not going to be long before he’s in there full time.

I think moving Dougie should be targeted as soon as this upcoming off-season. Give him a healthy season to showcase. Let Hughes take PP1 in the second half of the season when he's fully in groove after injury. He will be 32 heading into next season, and while tremendous player, at that age his huge caphit starts to make other teams nervous, even with a couple years left only. He will get a greater return the sooner he is traded. It also gives the team the room to negotiate Luke extension. Have Casey get an AHL season in, and if all goes well he should be ready to step into an NHL role full time.

 

[Hisch13r]

I think moving Dougie should be targeted as soon as this upcoming off-season. Give him a healthy season to showcase. Let Hughes take PP1 in the second half of the season when he's fully in groove after injury. He will be 32 heading into next season, and while tremendous player, at that age his huge caphit starts to make other teams nervous, even with a couple years left only. He will get a greater return the sooner he is traded. It also gives the team the room to negotiate Luke extension. Have Casey get an AHL season in, and if all goes well he should be ready to step into an NHL role full time.

Casey already looks like he might be an NHLer and not need the AHL year. If he does I think that makes it a lot easier to move Dougie next summer rather than the following because you’ll have a more concrete idea of what Casey is rather than him spending the year in the AHL and not being sure what you’d be replacing Dougie with. I think we should still have the room for Luke’s extension next year and keeping Dougie. Especially with Gritsyuk likely coming in next year as a middle 6er on an ELC. If Casey balls out then yeah move on from Dougie next summer and focus the space up front. Idk if we’ll really get value back on Dougie. Especially with only being able to move him to 10 teams. Like sure you obviously would prefer something back but I really don’t care if we moved on from him for nothing as long as we don’t have to retain anything.

 

[bud12]

I’d take this guy over Lane Hutson. Not sure way Hutson is more hyped

Because Hutson have always been better.

 

[Xirik]

The next Lane Hutson

but how can two players go 1st OV in a redraft?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Because Hutson have always been better.

He scores more points, but while Casey's defensive play is a strength, it's a significant weakness for Hutson.

 

[bud12]

He scores more points, but while Casey's defensive play is a strength, it's a significant weakness for Hutson.

If it can make you feel better sure!!!

 

[Guadana]

I think moving Dougie should be targeted as soon as this upcoming off-season. Give him a healthy season to showcase. Let Hughes take PP1 in the second half of the season when he's fully in groove after injury. He will be 32 heading into next season, and while tremendous player, at that age his huge caphit starts to make other teams nervous, even with a couple years left only. He will get a greater return the sooner he is traded. It also gives the team the room to negotiate Luke extension. Have Casey get an AHL season in, and if all goes well he should be ready to step into an NHL role full time.

Most likely Devils will not trade Dougie after thus season or especially this season. Devils have only two years of Markstrom and only three years of Hischier. As only two years of Nemec on ELC who is better defenseman than Casey. And only one year of Luke on ELC. Devils should maximize this short period before all their young players will start to play on bigger deals. I don't know may be Markstron will be not so good and management will need to find better goalie solution with big payment, than it could be a reason for open cap space, but even with the next Luke deal Devils don't have to trade Dougie. If Casey will be good enough, they still can use all of them.
And I'm not saying great it is what I want, but I think that is what Devils will do. Casey is great, not very stable defensively, but he just needs some time and trust. But it looks like Devils don't gave patience now.

But if Dougie will hurt again than may be they will just ltir him forever.

 

[Hisch13r]

Most likely Devils will not trade Dougie after thus season or especially this season. Devils have only two years of Markstrom and only three years of Hischier. As only two years of Nemec on ELC who is better defenseman than Casey. And only one year of Luke on ELC. Devils should maximize this short period before all their young players will start to play on bigger deals. I don't know may be Markstron will be not so good and management will need to find better goalie solution with big payment, than it could be a reason for open cap space, but even with the next Luke deal Devils don't have to trade Dougie. If Casey will be good enough, they still can use all of them.
And I'm not saying great it is what I want, but I think that is what Devils will do. Casey is great, not very stable defensively, but he just needs some time and trust. But it looks like Devils don't gave patience now.

But if Dougie will hurt again than may be they will just ltir him forever.

It’s not like you move Dougie and you do nothing with the space. IF the young D were to all look really good this year then you’d be better off moving on from Dougie and using his space to upgrade up front. Idk if all of them look really good with Casey a rookie, Nemec getting injured recently and looking awful in camp, and Luke being injured but it’s definitely a possibility. You also can’t just LTIR Dougie for good because you want to if it’s not some career ending injury.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If it can make you feel better sure!!!

I mean, it does make me feel better, but it's also objectively true.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

As only two years of Nemec on ELC who is better defenseman than Casey.

I am not sure that's true, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[bud12]

I mean, it does make me feel better, but it's also objectively true.

And it's also true that Huston is a better prospect with a higher ceilling

 

[barriers]

Please stop

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Hutson is like a virus on this site… it somehow spreads into every single thread and it’s annoying as f#*&

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

And it's also true that Huston is a better prospect

Nope

with a higher ceilling

Possibly, he'd have to make some massive improvements in his defensive game, but he certainly has the potential to end up better if he does so.

 

[bud12]

Nope

Possibly, he'd have to make some massive improvements in his defensive game, but he certainly has the potential to end up better if he does so.

Yeah yeah

 

[dgibb10]

Nope

Possibly, he'd have to make some massive improvements in his defensive game, but he certainly has the potential to end up better if he does so.

There's no point having this argument

Unless Luke Hughes dies, he will be PP1 QB.

Hutson will likely take over as PP1 QB in MTL, leading him to rack up points regardless of anything else.

Since it is near impossible for a PP2 dman to outproduce a PP1 dman, Hutson will get more total points than Casey

And as we have seen, this individual refuses to look further than total points to evaluate hutson and casey as prospects. So why expect that to change as they become pros

 

[MakoSlade]

Hutson is like a virus on this site… it somehow spreads into every single thread and it’s annoying as f#*&

Imagine if the Habs drafted Michkov...the talk in every thread would be unbearable.

Casey has been looking good and getting great reviews from Day One. And he looks pretty solid for a 'small' guy. He has a great chance of making an impact, and maybe sooner than expected.

 

[MNRube]

Imagine if the Habs drafted Michkov...the talk in every thread would be unbearable.

I think about this more often than I should. The hockey gods really spared us.