Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[Imgoingtowork]

probably Raymond a little less, no?

Raymond will end at 38 or 39 at Detroit side. About 20 years of NHL experience.

 

[lilidk]

Raymond will end at 38 or 39 at Detroit side. About 20 years of NHL experience.

Seider has higher value than Raymond and will play more NHL games .

 

[Imgoingtowork]

Seider has higher value than Raymond and will play more NHL games .

I like Raymond more.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Also says Raymond will be close to Debrincat number

 

[StreetHawk]

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Also says Raymond will be close to Debrincat number

Faber just got $8.5 mill AAV and Sanderson is at $8 mill. So, in the right ballpark given those recent signings in the past year. Heiskenan is at $8.45 mill, and that contract has been on the books for 3 seasons already. He's going into year 4 of that deal.

Power is at $8.35 on a 7 year deal.

 

[lilidk]

I like Raymond more.

Raymond is more fun aNd he's a forward and of course Seider is not Makar , but Seider is like a machine and he recovers from injury much faster than most. Both are high hockey IQ , but Seider since day one is our #1 Defansman, while we don't know if Raymond our #2 or #3 or even #4 our best forward

 

[saska sault]

Seider ar 8.6 long term is a win. Sign it yesterday.

 

[Imgoingtowork]

Seider ar 8.6 long term is a win. Sign it yesterday.

Raymond too?

 

[Henkka]

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Also says Raymond will be close to Debrincat number

So

- Seider 8.6M
- Raymond 7.9M
- Berggren 1.1M

Total 17.6M - we have 17.6M in cap space.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I do that all day.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I do that all day.

Same. It should have been done in April or May.

 

[Retire91]

I think we can all agree it's a good problem to have

 

[odin1981]

So

- Seider 8.6M
- Raymond 7.9M
- Berggren 1.1M

Total 17.6M - we have 17.6M in cap space.

I think if Berggren's last contract was say 950k'ish the least he will get is like a 1.25ish per year.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Man, IMO they're doing a disservice to themselves if they sign anything $8M or under and long-term

 

[Euro Twins]

Think Seider value table goes like this:

1-year, 5.3M
2-year, 5.5M
3-year, 5.9M
4-year, 6.2M
5-year, 7.0M
6-year, 7.6M
7-year, 8.1M
8-year, 8.5M

You never see contracts structured like this firstly. Second of all there is absolutely no way seider is signing a 8 year contract at 6.7 cap hit. Not a chance.

Not sure if your post was bait

think SY could get lil extra cap by burying holl or husso in minors

Ya like 1.15m

 

[Winger98]

You never see contracts structured like this firstly. Second of all there is absolutely no way seider is signing a 8 year contract at 6.7 cap hit. Not a chance.

Not sure if your post was bait

I think he's saying those are the cap hits he expects for each deal. So the 8 year would have an $8.5 cap hit.

 

[Euro Twins]

I think he's saying those are the cap hits he expects for each deal. So the 8 year would have an $8.5 cap hit.

Oh ok. I misread it. My bad. I still don't think he gets less than 7m regardless of term. No chance he signs a 4 year deal for that cap hit. And he's not signing anything less than a 3 year 21m deal minimum imo

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Raymond too?

Yes, even if Raymond got the same number as Mo, it'd still be a win longterm. 3-4yrs from now the extension for RFAs of that ilk is prob already at 10mil. The prices will be going through the roof with the rising cap.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Same. It should have been done in April or May.

That's... not how negotiating works.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

That's... not how negotiating works.

So it’s codified somewhere that the GM has to have a prolonged negotiation instead of paying the player what they’re worth? That’s news to me.

The various salary table predictors on the internet have proven to be pretty accurate on depicting actual values for players. GMs and agents can posture all they want but players are mostly signing deals comparable to what the calculators show with few exceptions.

 

[Henkka]

Oh ok. I misread it. My bad. I still don't think he gets less than 7m regardless of term. No chance he signs a 4 year deal for that cap hit. And he's not signing anything less than a 3 year 21m deal minimum imo

Seider is not gonna get more than Rasmus Dahlin did with his 3-year bridge. (like you are saying, 7M for 3-year at least)

Just check the damn comparables. It isn't even near. 5% yearly cap rise doesn't double the contract values.

Dobson got 4.0M 3-year deal after his ELC. Those short non-arbitration RFA years are pure bargain years. Guys won't get paid and those years also pull the long-term caphit down. Dobson had scored 51 points at 80 games and played 21:28min. That's better than any Seider season so far. He has had 50-42-42 seasons, points per game from multi-year is pretty same.

Dobson signed at August 13th, just before the new season, so it wasn't anyhow year-early like this Faber-deal.

 

[Pavels Dog]

So it’s codified somewhere that the GM has to have a prolonged negotiation instead of paying the player what they’re worth? That’s news to me.

The various salary table predictors on the internet have proven to be pretty accurate on depicting actual values for players. GMs and agents can posture all they want but players are mostly signing deals comparable to what the calculators show with few exceptions.

It sounds easy when you put it like that. I wonder if real life is more complicated. Probably not.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

It sounds easy when you put it like that. I wonder if real life is more complicated. Probably not.

Is it more or less complicated than any other recent RFA signings of simmilar term and/or AAV?

 

[norrisnick]

Seider is not gonna get more than Rasmus Dahlin did with his 3-year bridge. (like you are saying, 7M for 3-year at least)

Just check the damn comparables. It isn't even near. 5% yearly cap rise doesn't double the contract values.

Dobson got 4.0M 3-year deal after his ELC. Those short non-arbitration RFA years are pure bargain years. Guys won't get paid and those years also pull the long-term caphit down. Dobson had scored 51 points at 80 games and played 21:28min. That's better than any Seider season so far. He has had 50-42-42 seasons, points per game from multi-year is pretty same.

Dobson signed at August 13th, just before the new season, so it wasn't anyhow year-early like this Faber-deal.

And Dahlin and Dobson both had two years worse than anything Seider had done to date.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

So it’s codified somewhere that the GM has to have a prolonged negotiation instead of paying the player what they’re worth? That’s news to me.

The various salary table predictors on the internet have proven to be pretty accurate on depicting actual values for players. GMs and agents can posture all they want but players are mostly signing deals comparable to what the calculators show with few exceptions.

No. But if the GM has made it a point to keep a 9M "placeholder" in the budget for Raymond and a 9M "placeholder" for Seider... what does he lose by not immediately signing them to it in May, but instead negotiating through the summer? They probably think "We have 8.5 and 8.5 in our back pocket. Let's talk and maybe we get a million of that back annually for 8 years."

The handwringing on these deals is a fan thing. Yzerman and Co clearly are not sweating it.