WWE: Raw and Smackdown Part 4 - The Paul Levesque Era

[Jussi]

Yep. Dude Love was annoying. WWE having Cactus Jack was more of a shoutout to his earlier days but really wasn't necessary once Mankind was established.

 

[Sensrule]

RAW has felt pretty rushed over the past couple of weeks, to me at least. Perhaps the third hour was necessary after all.

On the flip side, 2 hours is perfect for SmackDown. Funny how that works.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It's a massive story-telling L if Seth joins Roman's team for any reason other than to stomp Roman and walk out.

His feud with Bronson has been fun... It doesn't erase almost 10 years of him and Roman being at each other's throats.

 

[CDJ]

Ludwig Kaiser is a great heel

 

[Jussi]

It's a massive story-telling L if Seth joins Roman's team for any reason other than to stomp Roman and walk out.

His feud with Bronson has been fun... It doesn't erase almost 10 years of him and Roman being at each other's throats.

The live action Moana movie is filming right now so The Rock is not an option for War Games. If not him or Seth, then who is the 5th member?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The live action Moana movie is filming right now so The Rock is not an option for War Games. If not him or Seth, then who is the 5th member?

You don't need 5 on either side.

Shoehorning non-bloodline members into a Bloodline match is significantly dumber than just having it as 4 v 4. Seriously doubt fans are gonna lose their shit over "Tradition says it has to be five!" Especially considering they've had 4 v 4 before.

 

[Khelandros]

You don't need 5 on either side.

Shoehorning non-bloodline members into a Bloodline match is significantly dumber than just having it as 4 v 4. Seriously doubt fans are gonna lose their shit over "Tradition says it has to be five!" Especially considering they've had 4 v 4 before.

Anybody know when Zilla has his contract come up?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Anybody know when Zilla has his contract come up?

I'm not sure Zilla is actually contracted. I think he ghosted GCW a few months ago over money.

Even if he was contracted, he mainly worked for Reality of Wrestling and GCW. Reality of Wrestling partners with WWE and WWE could easily pay off GCW to get Zilla out of a potential contract if they wanted to.

I honestly wonder if they don't see his whole issue with GCW as a character red flag. Obviously the company was under way different management 15 years ago, but they didn't put up with Manu's bullshit for long.

 

[Jussi]

Hikuleo is supposed to be signed by WWE but...whose side is he on?

 

[tp71]

You don't need 5 on either side.

Shoehorning non-bloodline members into a Bloodline match is significantly dumber than just having it as 4 v 4. Seriously doubt fans are gonna lose their shit over "Tradition says it has to be five!" Especially considering they've had 4 v 4 before.

My thoughts exactly

 

[Jussi]

 

[Lunatik]

Chelsea as a chicken shit diva champ with Piper as her bodyguard could be super entertaining for a while until Piper decides she deserves the title.

 

[BruinDust]

If the plan is Seth vs. Punk at 'Mania, I can see Seth joining with Roman's team only to turn on him during the match and turn heel in the process. WWE becoming a bit babyface heavy with even Gunther now showing babyface characteristics and Cena back in a month or so. Does anyone want to see babyface Rollins vs. babyface Punk?

If WWE wanted to do a neat twist, have Rollins tell Reigns and Co. he'll agree to team-up, but on the condition that Seth is the "Lead Hound" and they do it his way, not as the OG Bloodline, but as The Shield. Elevates Seth and doesn't hurt Roman or the others.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If the plan is Seth vs. Punk at 'Mania, I can see Seth joining with Roman's team only to turn on him during the match and turn heel in the process. WWE becoming a bit babyface heavy with even Gunther now showing babyface characteristics and Cena back in a month or so. Does anyone want to see babyface Rollins vs. babyface Punk?

If WWE wanted to do a neat twist, have Rollins tell Reigns and Co. he'll agree to team-up, but on the condition that Seth is the "Lead Hound" and they do it his way, not as the OG Bloodline, but as The Shield. Elevates Seth and doesn't hurt Roman or the others.

I think I'll only be satisfied with two things out of Seth teaming with The Bloodline:

1. Roman gets teamed up on, Seth enters for the save, Stomps Roman, and walks out.

2. Seth and Bronson start the match and do the spot where they go through a cage panel. Both get stretchered out and have no further involvement. Or Seth and Bronson are the last two to enter, Seth exits his cage and taunts Bronson, Bronson rips the door off his cage and they brawl off and never enter.

There is absolutely no satisfying story you can tell with Seth actually partnering with Roman/Bloodline right now, after all he did to help destroy them.

 

[Sheppy]

The live action Moana movie is filming right now so The Rock is not an option for War Games. If not him or Seth, then who is the 5th member?

Punk.

That would further the story of Rollins/Punk, too.

I also hope they don’t announce the 5th member until the PPV. Have some sort of suspense. Have them enter the match with 4, then have Heyman show up and bring out Punk?

If it’s Seth it makes him look like an absolute putz.

You don't need 5 on either side.

Shoehorning non-bloodline members into a Bloodline match is significantly dumber than just having it as 4 v 4. Seriously doubt fans are gonna lose their shit over "Tradition says it has to be five!" Especially considering they've had 4 v 4 before.

I also agree with this. They should have just left it 4-4.

 

[BruinDust]

I think I'll only be satisfied with two things out of Seth teaming with The Bloodline:

1. Roman gets teamed up on, Seth enters for the save, Stomps Roman, and walks out.

There is absolutely no satisfying story you can tell with Seth actually partnering with Roman/Bloodline right now, after all he did to help destroy them.

Give me this or have Seth tell Roman on Monday to go kick rocks and keep the hatred between the two guys going. Even though Seth has a major beef with Reed, that beef isn't enough for him to forgive/forget his history with Reigns and drive the point home how much Seth hates Reigns.

I think there is huge money to be made keeping Roman and Seth apart for a very long time, like a few more years. Every once in awhile have them cross-paths but never in a feud. Hint at a future match from time to time, drop little easter eggs. And then eventually have a major feud leading into a WM, maybe 43 or 44.

 

[Jussi]

Punk.

That would further the story of Rollins/Punk, too.

I also hope they don’t announce the 5th member until the PPV. Have some sort of suspense. Have them enter the match with 4, then have Heyman show up and bring out Punk?

I don't really want to see Punk in physically enduring match like this. This is the kind of match you want to put your best bumpers and spot monkeys in. Set is closer to that but I do agree that kayfabe wise it's hard to see him fitting in it. Although, IF he's in it and on the winning side, while everyone else is celebrating, Seth hitting roman with a chair on his back would be a fitting throwback ending.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Punk.

That would further the story of Rollins/Punk, too.

I also hope they don’t announce the 5th member until the PPV. Have some sort of suspense. Have them enter the match with 4, then have Heyman show up and bring out Punk?

If it’s Seth it makes him look like an absolute putz.

Punk would make sense for the idea of "I'm only here because of what they did to Heyman". That could also lead to some tension down the road between Roman/Heyman/Punk.

But they could also just say f*** it and pull the trigger on Brock, for the same reasons.

I agree with not announcing it though.

I don't really want to see Punk in physically enduring match like this. This is the kind of match you want to put your best bumpers and spot monkeys in. Set is closer to that but I do agree that kayfabe wise it's hard to see him fitting in it. Although, IF he's in it and on the winning side, while everyone else is celebrating, Seth hitting roman with a chair on his back would be a fitting throwback ending.

It's really not a spotfest though, and there's 10 guys in the ring. Punk can do his moves, take some basic, safe heat, and lie around the rest of the time.

Give me this or have Seth tell Roman on Monday to go kick rocks and keep the hatred between the two guys going. Even though Seth has a major beef with Reed, that beef isn't enough for him to forgive/forget his history with Reigns and drive the point home how much Seth hates Reigns.

I think there is huge money to be made keeping Roman and Seth apart for a very long time, like a few more years. Every once in awhile have them cross-paths but never in a feud. Hint at a future match from time to time, drop little easter eggs. And then eventually have a major feud leading into a WM, maybe 43 or 44.

I can agree with keeping Roman/Seth apart. The funny thing is Roman would be the chaser here. I don't believe he's ever beaten Seth.

 

[Jussi]

It's really not a spotfest though, and there's 10 guys in the ring. Punk can do his moves, take some basic, safe heat, and lie around the rest of the time.

It kind of is, I mean Ricochet's 630 from the top of the cage back in NXT, Iyo diving with trash can over her head, also from the top of the cage. There's a lot carnage in that match with Roman already sleeping there, I'd rather have someone who doesn't need long breaks.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It kind of is, I mean Ricochet's 630 from the top of the cage back in NXT, Iyo diving with trash can over her head, also from the top of the cage. There's a lot carnage in that match with Roman already sleeping there, I'd rather have someone who doesn't need long breaks.

Yes. One person doing a spot off the cage in a match of 10 people...

... Pretty sure Punk can be one of the 9 other guys not doing that spot and will be just fine.

 

[Jussi]

Yes. One person doing a spot off the cage in a match of 10 people...

... Pretty sure Punk can be one of the 9 other guys not doing that spot and will be just fine.

At his age and with his injury history, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

At his age and with his injury history, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Yeah, probably shouldn't have him wrestle at all then.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Rollins v Punk at WrestleMania in a game of Uno.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Rollins v Punk at WrestleMania in a game of Uno.

Tony Khan misread this and booked a dream match of Rollins vs. Punk vs. Evil Uno.

 

[Sheppy]

At his age and with his injury history, I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Randy Orton was in a war games match.