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Pretty equal I'd think. Probably depends on team needs.
Had a worse year ? How’s that ?
Dahlin is fine but hes only been a top 10D once in his careerPrime Bobby Orr and Prime Nick Lindstrom. Those are the 2 players I take over Dahlin. Cale Makar is not as good defensively and I’d love to see what Dahlin/Makar would do if they switched teams offensively.
Sieder can’t tie Dahlins skates. Dahlin and Makar are in a league of their own.
Ps- I’m a leafs fan who hates the Sabres.
Wild takeDahlin is fine but hes only been a top 10D once in his career
Dahlin is no where close to the 2nd best D in the league
He isn't the best D from his draft class
Bad at math? Half to a third...But how many Seider’s for a Dahlen?
Would u mind expanding I am curious.
I have read this, is it the Sabres plan to play him on the right side? Does Dahlia have an opinion on this? Has he spoken about it?
True but not as good as rookie year quite clearly . Which is what I was referring to . Both great young d. Dahlin is just more accomplished to this point imoHe was pretty good, how's that.
I don’t think you get the jokeBad at math? Half to a third...
There’s a very good bet, by the time Seider hits 25, he’ll be one of the Top 2-3 Dmen in the game. He has one of the most well rounded games and he’s very hard to play against. That last part is what’s gonna put him over the top. Just imagine how much better he’ll continue to get, as that D-Core rounds out over the next 2 years.Would either fan base be interested in this? Seider is by far the most well rounded of the 2 but does not have Dahlin's offensive potential. Seider fills a gaping hole on the right side of Buffalo's defence. Dahlen and Axel-Sandin Pelikka sounds like something from the Wings glory days of the 2000's.
Genuine question - have you watched Dahlin the last couple seasons? It’s okay if you don’t because well it’s the Sabres. I ask because it sounds like you think of him only as an offensive defenseman ala Karlsson.There’s a very good bet, by the time Seider hits 25, he’ll be one of the Top 2-3 Dmen in the game. He has one of the most well rounded games and he’s very hard to play against. That last part is what’s gonna put him over the top. Just imagine how much better he’ll continue to get, as that D-Core rounds out over the next 2 years.
You just don’t trade 23 year old Dmen like that. Just like you don’t trade 24 year old Dmen like Dahlin. You build around them. If Edvinsson keeps taking a lot of the pressure off Seider, as he did those last 18-20 games last season, it’ll open up Seider’s game too. He’s gonna be a 50+ point Dman consistently. Like Power has helped take pressure off Dahlin.
Not sure people realize how much they ask of that kid every night. It’s been like “hey, you get Matthews tonight, Kucherov tomorrow and Barkov the next day.” All with having to play with Jake Walman passing the puck (below the circles) to his imaginary friend 10 times a night.
People are gonna be very surprised btw, how bad Jake Walman is without Seider. SJ has nobody to cover for that madness.
So as a Dman, I’d take Seider between the two, but it’s a no-win answer. I’m just more old school and like my Dmen to play with an imposing edge. That takes nothing away from Dahlin. He’s had a 70 point season already. Whether he’s more the 50-60 point Dman or can be 65+, we’ll see.
People can argue back and forth. There’s no right answer today. One thing’s for sure though….
The Atlantic is going to have 3-4 monster blue lines in 2-3 years. Like 5-6 deep. Detroit’s gonna have at least four or five 6’4”- 6’6” dmen with ASP. Buffalo and Ottawa are building something as well. Not to mention if Montreal’s group ends up being anywhere near what some think it could be. Might not be as physical as the others, but we’ll see. A ton will depend on Reinbacher. If he can be anything like Sanderson, Seider, Dahlin, Power and what it looks like Edvinsson is, they’ll be a force as well. If he’s a bust, they’ll have some work to do.
The Atlantic over the next decade, is gonna be a blood bath.
Genuine question - have you watched Dahlin the last couple seasons? It’s okay if you don’t because well it’s the Sabres. I ask because it sounds like you think of him only as an offensive defenseman ala Karlsson.
Dahlin is a motherf***er to play against. He’s a prick. Seider only had 10 more hits than him last season. He takes every single top matchup and puts up great metrics still.
There’s a very good bet, by the time Seider hits 25, he’ll be one of the Top 2-3 Dmen in the game. He has one of the most well rounded games and he’s very hard to play against.
Look at his norris finishes, pt finishes and watch him play, he is no defensive d-man. He controls offense very well but he gets burned defensively and isnt a shut-down d-man like a Slavin, Chris Tanev (prime not now), Ryan McDonaughWild take
Hes tiers above Bouchard and dobson. No offense to either player or franchise. Your bias is showing.Look at his norris finishes, pt finishes and watch him play, he is no defensive d-man. He controls offense very well but he gets burned defensively and isnt a shut-down d-man like a Slavin, Chris Tanev (prime not now), Ryan McDonaugh
Ofcourse his offensive skillset is >> than most shutdown D-mans skills and he is probably the 8th to 10th best D in the league right now. That is a far cry frim 1B to Makar whose rookie season is probably better than Dahlins peak so far in 2023
Hughes
Bouchard
Dobson
Are three guys from his draft class (believe all from 2018) he needs to show he is better than
Before
Makar
Fox
Hedman
Heiskinen
Come up
You are one of the few posters I have seen overrate Dahlin so highly these past few years
This isnt 2018, he clearly is not a generational player now in his 7th NHL year
He has shown nothing to be above either of themHes tiers above Bouchard and dobson. No offense to either player or franchise. Your bias is showing.
There are reasons why the Sabres are bad and have been for Dahlin’s entire time there. He eats a lot of minutes but (as you point out) the club struggles defensively when he’s on the ice.Look at his norris finishes, pt finishes and watch him play, he is no defensive d-man. He controls offense very well but he gets burned defensively and isnt a shut-down d-man like a Slavin, Chris Tanev (prime not now), Ryan McDonaugh
Ofcourse his offensive skillset is >> than most shutdown D-mans skills and he is probably the 8th to 10th best D in the league right now. That is a far cry frim 1B to Makar whose rookie season is probably better than Dahlins peak so far in 2023
Hughes
Bouchard
Dobson
Are three guys from his draft class (believe all from 2018) he needs to show he is better than
Before
Makar
Fox
Hedman
Heiskinen
Come up
You are one of the few posters I have seen overrate Dahlin so highly these past few years
This isnt 2018, he clearly is not a generational player now in his 7th NHL year