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Value of: Rantanen with an 8 year extension

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Breakers said:
Ummm he's risking leaving money on the table thinking the market is going to make up the 15% in your said example

we';ve seen it before and it backfired immensely
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There's risk either way and no guarantees. Regardless of what he's done in Carolina, he's a Cup winning multiple time 100 point scorer with a 50+ goal season on his resume. It's a lot more likely that he's going to get a stupid offer from a desperate GM in UFA, than it is that he'll get the best deal from the only team he can sign with.

Signing in UFA also doesn't deplete his new team of assets that could help them win.
 
I think my favorite destinations are Dallas and Los Angeles. I wonder if Carolina could try to pull Clarke and Greentree out of LA, and I feel like that could be done if LA really thought this core could win the Cup. They aren't really using Clarke in the lineup and well Greentree doesn't really fit in to their timeline considering Kopitar is only getting older and so is Danault. I really like Byfield but looking at past trades I doubt Carolina gets that. Dallas has Bourque and Stankoven who look like good options but I doubt they could get both of them out of Dallas, however, it is another case of does Dallas believe Rantanen improve their chances at winning the cup. It's hard to predict, but looking back at these type of trades is very underwhelming because I thought you could get much more. Tkachuk being an RFA must've done a lot of heavy lifting.
 
IWantSakicAsMyGM said:
There's risk either way and no guarantees. Regardless of what he's done in Carolina, he's a Cup winning multiple time 100 point scorer with a 50+ goal season on his resume. It's a lot more likely that he's going to get a stupid offer from a desperate GM in UFA, than it is that he'll get the best deal from the only team he can sign with.

Signing in UFA also doesn't deplete his new team of assets that could help them win.
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Well he hasn’t been spectacular away from a top 3 player in the league

So yea there is more risk to attempt to make up the difference in Free agency of that 8th year
 
Carolina took a huge risk and it backfired

No team is going to give top flight young players for a pending ufa to bail them out
 
Breakers said:
Well he hasn’t been spectacular away from a top 3 player in the league

So yea there is more risk to attempt to make up the difference in Free agency of that 8th year
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It's been 12 games. I'm assuming most GMs understand how sample sizes work, and there will be more than a few willing to take a chance on a 100 point scoring Cup winner.
 
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Leafs offer:

Knies
Cowan
Jarnkrok
2026 1st (lottery protected)

For

Rantanen (50% retained) (extended)
 
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IWantSakicAsMyGM said:
It's been 12 games. I'm assuming most GMs understand how sample sizes work, and there will be more than a few willing to take a chance on a 100 point scoring Cup winner.
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And I’m assuming GM’s have seen how he has played away from said player and could be weary to make up the $12+million difference

Pretty simple to grasp

StuckOutHere said:
Leafs offer:

Knies
Cowan
Jarnkrok
2026 1st (lottery protected)

For

Rantanen (extended)
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I don’t think Toronto is going to go for this at all with that name included and him probably costing less than half for the next few years
 
newsportsfan123 said:
I think my favorite destinations are Dallas and Los Angeles. I wonder if Carolina could try to pull Clarke and Greentree out of LA, and I feel like that could be done if LA really thought this core could win the Cup. They aren't really using Clarke in the lineup and well Greentree doesn't really fit in to their timeline considering Kopitar is only getting older and so is Danault. I really like Byfield but looking at past trades I doubt Carolina gets that. Dallas has Bourque and Stankoven who look like good options but I doubt they could get both of them out of Dallas, however, it is another case of does Dallas believe Rantanen improve their chances at winning the cup. It's hard to predict, but looking back at these type of trades is very underwhelming because I thought you could get much more. Tkachuk being an RFA must've done a lot of heavy lifting.
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From Kings insider:

Forecasting a Gavrikov Contract Extension, Plus LA Kings Trade Deadline Notes

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And speaking of potential trades, let’s share a little more. No, we don’t expect the Kings to trade Quinton Byfield, Brandt Clarke, or Liam Greentree in any moves made this week.
 
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Without having insights beyond vibes, it does seem like Rantanen was shocked by the trade and is gonna go UFA, he'd only have signed a deal in Colorado and they moved on. You'd need a team willing to give him an insane overpay to get him to sign, and willing to give up the assets to land him in a trade.

I think he's gonna be sold as a rental, if Carolina is serious about being unwilling to keep him unsigned.
 
Lots of votes for wait for July 1



Reframe the situation

Would a man who is pending a contract valued above 100 million dollars be super chill with going to war in the playoffs for a team he just got to, with no deal, potentially risking literally a hundred million dollars? Pretty sure he’d only do it if he had to and would have representatives fighting every second prior to avoid it.

What’s his next deal look like if he tears his acl in round one? Is it 50 million?
 
Poppy Whoa Sonnet said:
Without having insights beyond vibes, it does seem like Rantanen was shocked by the trade and is gonna go UFA, he'd only have signed a deal in Colorado and they moved on. You'd need a team willing to give him an insane overpay to get him to sign, and willing to give up the assets to land him in a trade.

I think he's gonna be sold as a rental, if Carolina is serious about being unwilling to keep him unsigned.
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I predicted that if Carolina got to March 8th with Rantanen on the team...they'd ultimately be that team, along with a promise to do our best to ship him to his preferred destination if he decides he just doesn't want to be in Raleigh.
 
These threads never make any sense. Every year fans offer their team's rentals "with extension" as if that magically multiplies their value.

Reality is, the team has no leverage when the player is months away from UFA. At best it's a rental price plus an extra pick/prospect. And no, Tkachuk isnt a comparable since he was an RFA
 
KrisLetAngry said:
It's not even about this season. A signed Rantanen for the future.

Hurricanes get a winger that can score and help during playoffs.
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Ah yeah, sorry I was thinknig UFA for UFA and assuming he'd leave/try to sign him. A signed Rantanen. Wayyyyyy more than Boeser.

I guess assuming Rantanen is willing to sign an 8 year deal with the intention of being traded to Vancouver, I think it would have to be EP40 and Boeser to get it done, then the Canes gamble on re-signing Boeser.
 
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Breakers said:
Ummm he's risking leaving money on the table thinking the market is going to make up the 15% in your said example

we';ve seen it before and it backfired immensely



Ummmm that gets you to UFA quicker
that's not hardball
that basic negotiating

LOLOL
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Which is why he wants to test UFA.
 
benfranklin said:
His last deal was for 6 years in COL. Completely ignored the 8 and even 7 there. His agent obviously plays hardball.
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8 year contracts as an RFA are different than 8 year contracts as a UFA.

Stars who take shorter term on RFA deals (Matthews, Makar, etc.) are doing so to get to UFA early and not get locked into a contract at old pricing. At UFA when you're older is when guys traditionally (not all) go for the longer deals because at that point their play will likely decline and you want to secure the biggest amount of total money possible. This way you mitigate losses against injury or decline in play.

Maybe this is what you were getting at but just wanted to clarify.
 
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StlBigFly said:
Lots of votes for wait for July 1



Reframe the situation

Would a man who is pending a contract valued above 100 million dollars be super chill with going to war in the playoffs for a team he just got to, with no deal, potentially risking literally a hundred million dollars? Pretty sure he’d only do it if he had to and would have representatives fighting every second prior to avoid it.

What’s his next deal look like if he tears his acl in round one? Is it 50 million?
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He could have a near 100M deal with colorado early this season and not risk that hypothetical acl tear. Its only a few months away, hes probably testing UFA or get a contract offer too rich to refuse.
 
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