Rantanen vs Necas points race to end of season.

[a mangy Meowth]

I more referring to the other poster saying Necas is outproducing Rantanen for the Avs, which is false. The trade has more nuances than just points being put up (cap, future contract/years, ability for Avs to acquire other players at TDL), but in terms of the 1 for 1 trade, they downgraded in production.

Also, I think the Avs made out great and each time I watch Necas with the Avs, he reminds me of a Mackinnon-lite.

Technically speaking Necas is outscoring Rantanen on the season by 2 in 1 extra game

 

[Nikki Potnick]

Technically speaking Necas is outscoring Rantanen on the season by 2 in 1 extra game

But that's not relevant to the topic. Necas has produced at 1PPG with the Avs, Rantanen at a 1.3PPG. What they've done away from the Avs holds no merit to the point the original poster made, and what I responded. Necas has not outproduced Rantanen's scoring with the Avs.

 

[freelancer799]

Downgraded in production on paper. IMO the real test for Rants and Necas will be PO performance. Bottom line, they’re both great players. Rants is definitely regarded as better but that’s because of his resume playing on a stacked team.

As for Miro, I’d be wigged out if I was a Stars fan and he hasn’t begun skating. Landeskog looks great skating wise but we’re holding our collective breaths whether he can take contact. I wouldn’t want to just march Miro right into the POs like that.

Deboer mentioned he's still on schedule and is working out every day in the gym, his skating is second nature to him so that's the least concerning thing. If he starts getting on the ice next week he'll be fine.

 

[Avsfan1921]

I'm not jumping on the whole coping train, but...


It's funny you see it that way. Because the way I see it, Rantanen was producing at a 1.31PPG pace while on the Avs and no reason to think that would've changed had he not been traded. Necas is producing at a 1.04PPG since joining the team. So based on that one trade alone (not taking into account money saved and additional player added at the TDL), Necas is definitely not outproducing anything. In terms of production, the Avs downgraded in that one trade for this season.

It may seem funny to you that I see it that way. But I can state mine in one sentence, and you use caveats to adjust it to your liking. That’s quite telling.

Since the trade, Necas has outproduced Rantanen.


That may or may not continue, but when taken into context of someone accusing Avs fans of coping, it shows that they have no reason to cope, as of this moment. Hence why I included it in my reasons why I was confused by their statement.

 

[34]

Necas is underrated. Very skilled player. Colorado won the trade for sure.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Point-wise Necas isn't scoring at the rate that Rantanen was as an Avalanche player. But he has added more to the team in other ways. So maybe people are wrong in saying that but Necas backchecks better than Rantanen, he drives play better than Rants which has ended up with more opportunities for other players. As an Avs fan I am very happy with the trade.

"Necas backchecks better than Rantanen"

thank Brind'Amour/Canes for that....it took RBA about 5 years to drive that home to Necas and he became much more consistent & a more complete player (with less hiccups).

I'd add, Necas is also one of the best skaters in the League and opens up the ice for others whereas Rants skating is well, interesting.

Will be interesting to see how Necas operates in the playoffs with the Avs when the ice gets tighter and play becomes much more physical.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

It may seem funny to you that I see it that way. But I can state mine in one sentence, and you use caveats to adjust it to your liking. That’s quite telling.

Since the trade, Necas has outproduced Rantanen.


That may or may not continue, but when taken into context of someone accusing Avs fans of coping, it shows that they have no reason to cope, as of this moment. Hence why I included it in my reasons why I was confused by their statement.

But that's not what you said originally, hence my correcting your statement. 1.3PPG > 1.0PPG

And now since I corrected you, we got Avs fans trying to move goal posts to make it look better, which would lend credence to the other posters calling out their coping. Again, I'm not saying that Avs fans are, because the in grand scheme of all the moves Colorado made, I think they are a better team. But reading the attempts of rebuttal to my factual correction of your point isn't helping lead others away from the copium accusation.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Will be interesting to see how Necas operates in the playoffs with the Avs when the ice gets tighter and play becomes much more physical.

Indeed. None of this matters until the big show starts, and the years moving forward. A 1/3 season sample size means nothing in the grand scheme.

 

[Czechboy]

I think I read that Necas is now a Mack merchant a few pages ago. I knew that would happen. Same .ppg on both clubs but now he's carried.lol.

Nonetheless.. 1 point away from his first ever 82 point season.

 

[Avsfan1921]

But that's not what you said originally, hence my correcting your statement. 1.3PPG > 1.0PPG

And now since I corrected you, we got Avs fans trying to move goal posts to make it look better, which would lend credence to the other posters calling out their coping. Again, I'm not saying that Avs fans are, because the in grand scheme of all the moves Colorado made, I think they are a better team. But reading the attempts of rebuttal to my factual correction of your point isn't helping lead others away from the copium accusation.

Sure, take it any way you want. As I stated, I’m not going to wade too deep into this, and if you want to “view” it in a different light than was clearly meant, have at ‘er and power to you.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Rantanen is overrated, imo COL killed it. moving him was the best thing they could have done, MacKinnon is the real reason why Rantanen was the player he was and imo what we have seen from him in CAR and DAL says everything that needs to be said, he's also been better in DAL so far too and imo was a good move for them but CAR.... wew

 

[illegitimate]

Rantanen is overrated, imo COL killed it. moving him was the best thing they could have done, MacKinnon is the real reason why Rantanen was the player he was and imo what we have seen from him in CAR and DAL says everything that needs to be said, he's also been better in DAL so far too and imo was a good move for them but CAR.... wew

carolina functionally turned a guy who wasn't gonna resign with them into two firsts and stankoven

the intermediate steps make it look worse but that's solid dealing

 

[landy]

carolina functionally turned a guy who wasn't gonna resign with them into two firsts and stankoven

the intermediate steps make it look worse but that's solid dealing

When you look at it like Necas/Drury/2nd/3rd/4th for two 1sts/Stankhoven, its a lot better.

 

[flyfysher]

I think I read that Necas is now a Mack merchant a few pages ago. I knew that would happen. Same .ppg on both clubs but now he's carried.lol.

Nonetheless.. 1 point away from his first ever 82 point season.

Necas is thriving in JB’s system. My guess is that he’ll reach at least 85-90+ points. Although with his speed the sky’s the limit really. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

 

[BullLund]

When you look at it like Necas/Drury/2nd/3rd/4th for two 1sts/Stankhoven, its a lot better.

It could end up being one of those deals where everyone wins.

Colorado traded a guy they couldn't afford for a guy that fits their team like a glove, and has a much lesser price tag.

Carolina got a couple of 1sts and a solid player for a guy that had made it pretty clear he wasn't going to sign with them.

The only question mark is Dallas but if Rantanen scores at a PPG+ pace for them, they are a very legitimate cup contender going forward.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

carolina functionally turned a guy who wasn't gonna resign with them into two firsts and stankoven

the intermediate steps make it look worse but that's solid dealing

they traded for that player first, still a loss.... no matter how you look at it. they paid up to try and win it all and gave up before the playoffs. if he wasn't going to sign instantly as he was acquired then why make that move?

 

[Czechboy]

Necas is thriving in JB’s system. My guess is that he’ll reach at least 85-90+ points. Although with his speed the sky’s the limit really. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

Second dream is top 10 in scoring. Don't think it'll happen though. He is flirting with it.

 

[koyvoo]

Second dream is top 10 in scoring. Don't think it'll happen though. He is flirting with it.

He looks so dymanic out there. A young skilled player coming into his own. I wouldn’t discount the notion.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

But that's not relevant to the topic. Necas has produced at 1PPG with the Avs, Rantanen at a 1.3PPG. What they've done away from the Avs holds no merit to the point the original poster made, and what I responded. Necas has not outproduced Rantanen's scoring with the Avs.

13 of Rantanen's 64 points with the avalanche were into an EN.

If we exclude EN points, they're production rates in Colorado are identical:

Rantanen 51 points in 49 games
Necas 25 points in 24 games

 

[tarheelhockey]

When you look at it like Necas/Drury/2nd/3rd/4th for two 1sts/Stankhoven, its a lot better.

In that case you need to also add Taylor Hall and Nils Juntorp on the Canes side.

 

[crowi]

I think it's amusing how so many COL fans love Rantanen still and the loudest part here is talking shit with no reason really.

 

[avsfan9]

Necas is underrated. Very skilled player. Colorado won the trade for sure.

Avs pp went from 20th to 8th since the trade.

 

[Ncit3]

Honestly Necas has looked better away from MacKinnon than with him because they are both major play drivers and often fight over the puck. They look great on the PP together. But the line of Lehkonen-Nelson-Necas looks scary as f*** lately.

 

[Boxscore]

MacKinnon is the real reason why Rantanen was the player he was

To be fair to Rantanen, while playing with MacKinnon he was a 100+ point player. There's no doubt that playing with Nate was advantageous but the above would suggest that you could put anyone on that line and they'd score 100, which of course is untrue.

Imho, Rantanen was the perfect fit for the Avs and the Avs were the perfect fit for him. It was a win-win situation just like with LeClair in Philadelphia. Unfortunately for Rantanen, he let his agent overplay their hand and he ended up missing out on the chance to retire an Av and continue his legacy as a top-tiered superstar. This may sound crazy now, but this move may cost him a plaque in the HHOF one day... unless he regains his form as an elite producer.

Hopefully players like Marner take note and this is a wakeup call for some players to pump the brakes on their agents when they decide to go rogue and play hardball to their client's detriment. The grass isn't always greener... even in Dallas.

All that said, the trade has seemed to work out very well for Colorado. Watching them night in and night out, Necas has certainly added a much-needed dynamic to their lineup and he is the perfect fit there. Hopefully he doesn't pull the same act Rantanen did once his deal is up.

 

[Czechboy]

Honestly Necas has looked better away from MacKinnon than with him because they are both major play drivers and often fight over the puck. They look great on the PP together. But the line of Lehkonen-Nelson-Necas looks scary as f*** lately.

And that seems to be Necas forte.. drive a 2nd line without needing elite talent. He didn't play with pasta at the world's either. He played line 2 and ran the show from there. He's a play driver IMO. And he doesn't need to be carried. He needs to have freedom to wheel around in unique zig zags

I wish my oil had gotten him.. we could have had McDrai together on line 1 and Necas running line 2. Would've been a work of art. Happy for the Avs though.. he seems to be a good fit.