Rantanen vs Necas points race to end of season.

[Grigowski]

How do you think you'd play in that situation? Players are human.


You're irrationally angry for something you don't seem to understand.


Duchene has recently opened up about him being bought out by Nashville and how it'd hit him at strange, completely random times during the season and playoffs, and it majorly affected his play. Players go through things we typically never hear about, and Colorado uprooting Rantanens entire life, sending him to a team they knew he didn't want to go to is going to effect him.

"Angry"? Not at all, but if you and some others really believe a player 4 months away from UFA and known for playing hardball in contract negotiations, and still nowhere near close on his next one, cant imagine that he gets traded, Sorry...
Either his agent didnt do his job properly, or Rantanen isnt the smartest player. I get the human side, no question about that, but, yeah...

There are many theories and stories out there what really went down.... Friedman has one, last night i heard another one.....

And what is your problem here? Dallas were both times profiteers... You should enjoy getting one of the best wingers in the game for 8 years to join an allready damn deep team and cup favorite.

 

[Elysian]

More like you don’t understand contracts, how they work or representation of a client.

Cute.

 

[flyfysher]

Cute.

You clearly don’t understand how the situation works from a legal/contractual perspective. Take the time to educate and inform yourself.

 

[SnowStorm]

Nah. Cope. Avs screwed over both Rantanen and Carolina.

I think you should examine your own motives when you start saying "cope." I understand you want to prop up your new super star and defend him now that he's on your team, but all evidence suggests Rantanen (and his agent) screwed himself, his teammates, and the fans.

Hopefully he's learned a lesson and will focus on hockey moving forward with more motivation and drive. I wish him well with the Stars.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

How do you think you'd play in that situation? Players are human.


You're irrationally angry for something you don't seem to understand.


Duchene has recently opened up about him being bought out by Nashville and how it'd hit him at strange, completely random times during the season and playoffs, and it majorly affected his play. Players go through things we typically never hear about, and Colorado uprooting Rantanens entire life, sending him to a team they knew he didn't want to go to is going to effect him.

Omg we uprooted the lives of unmarried millionaire hockey players Dallas fans rushing to retroactively white knight these guys is beyond hilarious to me

Words I would use to describe the Avs front office:
- Heartless
- Evil
- Very mean

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Eat your ass out, Mikko

Dear lord that is some domination.

I wasn't sure how well Mackinnon and Necas would work together because they are both such puck dominant players, but it's obviously working out pretty well.

Thru 230 mins together at 5v5, they have a 70% xG%. That's ridonculous.

 

[flyfysher]

Words I would use to describe the Avs front office:

- Shrewd
- Savvy
- Smart

 

[Regal]

Omg we uprooted the lives of unmarried millionaire hockey players Dallas fans rushing to retroactively white knight these guys is beyond hilarious to me

Words I would use to describe the Avs front office:
- Heartless
- Evil
- Very mean

We don’t have to feel sorry for him or believe the Avs are the bad guys to understand that sometimes these outside factors can have an effect on someone’s play. Though admittedly I’m coming in late to this conversation

 

[flyfysher]

I think you should examine your own motives when you start saying "cope." I understand you want to prop up your new super star and defend him now that he's on your team, but all evidence suggests Rantanen (and his agent) screwed himself, his teammates, and the fans.

Hopefully he's learned a lesson and will focus on hockey moving forward with more motivation and drive. I wish him well with the Stars.

I also wish Rants well but reading about his play the other day in the Stars game was familiar. ENG, dumb penalty and otherwise not doing much. Guy has elite skills and is an elite winger. S/B playing all out every night for $12.5M/AAV.

 

[MBTendy]

I also wish Rants well but reading about his play the other day in the Stars game was familiar. ENG, dumb penalty and otherwise not doing much. Guy has elite skills and is an elite winger. S/B playing all out every night for $12.5M/AAV.

“Tell me you didn’t watch the game without telling me you didn’t watch the game”

 

[Avsfan1921]

The Avs front office screwed him over. Straight up.


You've never had a bad time at work? Come on, this is getting silly.

You’re right. They should have let the player, who they’ve had contentious negotiations with in the past, have all the cards by waiting until after the deadline. That way HE could have been the one doing the screwing.

He had talks with Carolina’s GM prior to the trade. If he didn’t know it could happen, that’s on him.

As for the trade itself, no blame is required or fair. That’s how this league has operated since its inception.

 

[Kcb12345]

I also wish Rants well but reading about his play the other day in the Stars game was familiar. ENG, dumb penalty and otherwise not doing much. Guy has elite skills and is an elite winger. S/B playing all out every night for $12.5M/AAV.

Which dumb penalty? The one that was an offsetting minor because he stuck up for Robertson? That particular penalty not only was for defending a teammate, but the Stars got a powerplay out of that scrum as well. Good penalty if you ask me

 

[Kcb12345]

You’re right. They should have let the player, who they’ve had contentious negotiations with in the past, have all the cards by waiting until after the deadline. That way HE could have been the one doing the screwing.

He had talks with Carolina’s GM prior to the trade. If he didn’t know it could happen, that’s on him.

As for the trade itself, no blame is required or fair. That’s how this league has operated since its inception.

I think you should examine your own motives when you start saying "cope." I understand you want to prop up your new super star and defend him now that he's on your team, but all evidence suggests Rantanen (and his agent) screwed himself, his teammates, and the fans.

Hopefully he's learned a lesson and will focus on hockey moving forward with more motivation and drive. I wish him well with the Stars.

I suggest every Avs and Canes fan watch the Rantanen section of this podcast, where Biz shares that he's able to confirm that the trade came out of no where and that Colorado denied Carolina the permission to negotiate with Rantanen prior to the trade. Other reports out there have apparently been false or just trying to cause a stir to blame the player.

Colorado's top offer was $11.75m AAV. Rantanen held out, as one does in negotiations, and without further word they dealt him to Carolina. Carolina traded for him blindly, hoping that he would sign with them.

 

[MBTendy]

I suggest every Avs and Canes fan watch the Rantanen section of this podcast, where Biz shares that he's able to confirm that the trade came out of no where and that Colorado denied Carolina the permission to negotiate with Rantanen prior to the trade. Other reports out there have apparently been false or just trying to cause a stir to blame the player.

Colorado's top offer was $11.75m AAV. Rantanen held out, as one does in negotiations, and without further word they dealt him to Carolina. Carolina traded for him blindly, hoping that he would sign with them.

But Rantanen is at fault here. Don’t bring actual insider information into this that doesn’t paint Rantanen as a selfish player that screwed over two franchises.

 

[tfwnogf]

All I know is if Carolina goes deep in the playoffs and the Stars are out early, I will laugh at Rantadiva

 

[Elysian]

You’re right. They should have let the player, who they’ve had contentious negotiations with in the past, have all the cards by waiting until after the deadline. That way HE could have been the one doing the screwing.

He had talks with Carolina’s GM prior to the trade. If he didn’t know it could happen, that’s on him.

As for the trade itself, no blame is required or fair. That’s how this league has operated since its inception.

Carolina was not able to talk to him or his agent before the trade.

 

[Avsfan1921]

I suggest every Avs and Canes fan watch the Rantanen section of this podcast, where Biz shares that he's able to confirm that the trade came out of no where and that Colorado denied Carolina the permission to negotiate with Rantanen prior to the trade. Other reports out there have apparently been false or just trying to cause a stir to blame the player.

Colorado's top offer was $11.75m AAV. Rantanen held out, as one does in negotiations, and without further word they dealt him to Carolina. Carolina traded for him blindly, hoping that he would sign with them.

I straight up believe he’s incorrect and suggest you take it with a grain of salt, just as I’m sure you straight up disagree with reports saying otherwise.

We are both going off reports that have been made and have no surefire way of knowing which is true. But one guy is in the media, who is a former player and has shown he leans towards “the boys”, and he’s reporting there was no talks. He has obvious reverence for MacKinnon, who I’m certain was not happy at the time of the trade.

Counter to your hypothetical: Colorado's top offer was $11.75m AAV. Rantanen held out, as one does in negotiations, so the Avs continued to negotiate until the deadline passed. Rantanen would not budge from his $13 million ask because he had all the power and the Avs lose him for nothing because they simply cannot afford to, nor should they, pay him that. Ask NYI how that worked with Tavares and if they have regrets.

Our hypotheticals are just that, but the fact is dozens of players get traded every season. This is the factual scenario:

- This player has had a contentious negotiating past with Colorado
- The Avs were very clearly lacking depth, due to cap restraints
- This was closing in on the trade deadline, where they lose all leverage

If he was truly blindsided, then he’s a lot slower than I’d like to give him credit for.

Edit: it was Friedman reporting Tulsky’s interaction with Rantanen prior to the trade, not that matters.

 

[AvalancheRy]

Spittingchiclets making it known that the Avs blindsided Rantanen when he was willing to stay on a hometown discount.

They also mentioned the Canes GM was aware Mikko had no interest in signing with them, yet he still went out to make the deal.

This is also not the first time this information has been stated either.

It’s pretty funny to see each respective fanbase crying as if they’re the victim here and as if Mikko was the one who screwed their team over lol.



Yes. We are very happy to have one of the league’s top power forward because both Colorado and Carolina fumbled the ball big time

How can a player take a discount when they don't know the market rate? That's just clickbait content, unless they know for a fact the numbers being kicked around. This summer, after the Draisaitl deal, perhaps in Rantanen's mind, 13/12.5 was a discount. Obviously he signed for 12/year so would he have accepted 11.75 from the Avs at the time? I sincerely doubt it.

The reality is Rantanen was a great player for the Avs, but when you play the game going into a contract year the team is absolutely justified in accessing options. He thought he was indispensable and the Avs thought differently. He's not at fault for wanting to access his value through FA and the Avs aren't at fault for looking around. That's the business of the game.

The other thing is the Avs really have underperformed outside their Stanley Cup year, when they were stacked. To me, the team plays a bit less than the sum of their parts. That's not all on Rantanen, and everyone from Mackinnon/Makar on down deserve the blame. But the team needs better results in the playoffs, so I don't think the Avs FO can be blamed for shaking up the system, especially when Necas looks to be a very capable replacement.

 

[Ceremony]

The Avs front office screwed him over. Straight up.

A lot of very odd posts in this thread to choose from but I'll quote this one. Avalanche management has one priority - the Colorado Avalanche. Not protecting the feelings of its players. We offered Rantanen a contract and he/his agent said no. The decision was made to trade him and add depth to the lineup now and in coming seasons by spending that cap hit elsewhere. Aside from the fact that nobody on here knows exactly what happened at every stage of the process and can't comment authoritatively on it anyway, what else do you want to happen?

As for Carolina, well, sounds like a them problem rather than anyone else.

 

[Spilot23]

Here is probably what most of Avs fans think. Were we pissed that he got traded? Absolutely. Were we pissed that he then signed in a division rival? Absolutely. If we could go back in time would we do the same trade? Absolutely.

No one got screwed here Rantanen played hard ball. Avs had a number in mind. Both couldn’t agree (takes two to sign a contract) and CMac did what he thought was best for the team. We saw the Tavares situation and Avs management also lived the Stastny situation. Funny thing is that alot of Avs fans knew this was a possibility that he could get traded and had some proposals in our board even one that had Necas for Rantanen swap mind you. So if Rantanen didn’t expect and got blindsided by this while freaking HF posters did know it was a possibility it’s hard to blame management here.

 

[PenguinSuitedUp]

I suggest every Avs and Canes fan watch the Rantanen section of this podcast, where Biz shares that he's able to confirm that the trade came out of no where and that Colorado denied Carolina the permission to negotiate with Rantanen prior to the trade. Other reports out there have apparently been false or just trying to cause a stir to blame the player.

Colorado's top offer was $11.75m AAV. Rantanen held out, as one does in negotiations, and without further word they dealt him to Carolina. Carolina traded for him blindly, hoping that he would sign with them.

If Rantanen wanted a guarantee that the Avs wouldn’t trade him, he should have brought a NMC into his contract.

And this is the first time I’ve ever heard some sort of judgment around a player getting traded whether he was blindsided. He knew this was a possibility when he signed the contract. Weird take.

 

[Kcb12345]

If Rantanen wanted a guarantee that the Avs wouldn’t trade him, he should have brought a NMC into his contract.

And this is the first time I’ve ever heard some sort of judgment around a player getting traded whether he was blindsided. He knew this was a possibility when he signed the contract. Weird take.

Then why are Avs fans mad at him?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Then why are Avs fans mad at him?

Majority of us aren't?

 

[bossram]

Dear lord that is some domination.

I wasn't sure how well Mackinnon and Necas would work together because they are both such puck dominant players, but it's obviously working out pretty well.

Thru 230 mins together at 5v5, they have a 70% xG%. That's ridonculous.

My initial reaction to the trade wasn't that it was a "loss" for COL. I thought Necas' free-flowing game and transition ability would be a perfect fit with COL's playstyle.

I didn't think it would be this ludicrously effective.

 

[Kcb12345]

Canes GM confirms he traded for Rantanen despite Rantanen saying he was only focused on signing with Colorado and wasn't willing to consider anyone else at the time of the trade