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Ismo’s Revenge.

It’s hard to imagine Mikko being lazy or undertrained - he’s always seemed like an insanely competitive person. But, he truly did seem like he lost… half a step? More?

Still a beast, don’t get me wrong. But it’s funny how often this perennial 100p guy pissed off Avs fans, despite it all
 
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Rantanen without MacKinnon holding his hand

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GirardSpinorama said:
Necas still have some warts to cut out, like trying to do too much, but so does Rantanen. What a talent though, he doesn't finish like Rantanen but mack is getting way more space.
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Yes, there were a few times Necas seemed to move the puck too quickly, trying to force a play, instead of waiting another second for the open man... especially last night vs. Edmonton. That said, in the last 2 games, Necas should have picked up 7 points instead of 4... and quite easily tbh. The kid is all over the ice and faster than I believed he was... as he's pushing the tempo on par with MacKinnon and Makar which is lethal. With him, they can make high-end plays at high speed without slowing down -- that's a scary proposition for opponents.

Rantanen did most of his damage with his shot and picked up spare pucks from 10-15 feet out. This was great when other teams focused on shutting down the speed of MacK and Makar. Now, it looks like the Avs are adjusting their attack style to be all go...go...go and Necas fits like a glove.
 
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WhiskeyYerTheDevils said:
It's funny how many people are surprised that Necas is really good. Anyone who actually watched him play knew what he was capable of.

Just goes to show how many stay watchers are out there.
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Yes, and no. With Necas, the talent was undeniable since I saw him in person at the World Juniors in Buffalo. But raw talent doesn't always materialize -- until now, Necas scored 71 points during his best offensive season. At 26 that's good production but far from the elite numbers players like Rantanen, Marner, Pasta, Kaprizov, Hughes, etc. have put up. Watching Necas... there was always that "there should be more" feeling with him... until this season. He came out blazing and scored at a 133-point pace (which was unsustainable) but he looked to have an extra step in his game and played with added confidence. He was coming back down to earth offensively before the trade but it looks like this move to Denver is the best possible scenario for him.

Game recognizes game... and it looks like he and MacKinnon are the perfect match.
 
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Boxscore said:
Yes, and no. With Necas, the talent was undeniable since I saw him in person at the World Juniors in Buffalo. But raw talent doesn't always materialize -- until now, Necas scored 71 points during his best offensive season. At 26 that's good production but far from the elite numbers players like Rantanen, Marner, Pasta, Kaprizov, Hughes, etc. have put up. Watching Necas... there was always that "there should be more" feeling with him... until this season. He came out blazing and scored at a 133-point pace (which was unsustainable) but he looked to have an extra step in his game and played with added confidence. He was coming back down to earth offensively before the trade but it looks like this move to Denver is the best possible scenario for him.

Game recognizes game... and it looks like he and MacKinnon are the perfect match.
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71 points as a 23 year old in an extremely defensive system. He led one of the league's top teams in scoring.

He was very obviously an elite talent in the game whose numbers were suppressed by his situation. That's why I wasn't sure I liked this trade for Carolina.
 
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Matti_A said:
Rantanen is shooting 4.8% with the Canes, doubt that will continue for much longer.

He does look like a fish out of water in the Canes system though.
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I hope it does, but thats been the Canes mo for years now. Shoot anything and everything, own the puck possession battle, but not much in terms of high danger.
 
Avs pro scouting has done an incredibly good job of getting players who fit their style

Necas, Toews, Lekhnonen, Drouin etc.

Only big miss I can think of is Mittlestadt (and goalies but that's different)
 
Mikko will go on a heater, Avs fans have seen him carry the team while Mack was out injured, or essentially centering the second line. Such a stunning win-win trade including a franchise “untouchable” player. Rants will walk on Carolina come July 1st likely. Because I believe he would have walked on Colorado also, ultimately. His RFA negotiation last time was *rough*.
 
"Rantanen looks like a fish out of water." He has led this team in xG% since he arrived and has a higher percentage than anyone else involved in the trade. Don’t give me the “Canes shoot from everywhere” argument; that doesn’t matter. Teams with high xGF create high-danger chances.

As for losing Necas and Drury, those two are replaceable from a Carolina perspective. I won’t deny that this has the potential to be a fleece by Colorado, but it’s not a move that will cripple the Canes. Drury is a bottom-6/middle-6 forward who can forecheck and take faceoffs. You can find a player like that for $2.5 million. Plus, Carolina already has Staal and will eventually have Suzuki, who has a higher ceiling.


While they may not be able to truly replace Necas, Blake’s performance has made them care less about that loss. Blake plays a significantly better defensive game than Necas. He’s like Necas but without the speed and with a better defensive game, deking through three players at least once a game.


Then you have Nadeau (potentially a 40-goal scorer), Unger-Sorum, Robidas, and eventually Artamonov and other Russian forwards (if they hit). The Hurricanes don’t want to keep waiting for their prospects because they have somewhat of a logjam. Rod won’t move away from the Staal line, so the only way some of these prospects will succeed is if they get a role in the top-6. I don’t know how Carolina will fit all these prospects into their roster. They have three that are NHL-ready, but none that can fit on the 4th line.



This is a good analysis of the last couple of games:
 
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nightonthesun said:
Ismo’s Revenge.

It’s hard to imagine Mikko being lazy or undertrained - he’s always seemed like an insanely competitive person. But, he truly did seem like he lost… half a step? More?

Still a beast, don’t get me wrong. But it’s funny how often this perennial 100p guy pissed off Avs fans, despite it all
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If he was actually competitive his contract negotiations would have gone differently.
 
Would the Canes consider trading Mikko before the deadline if he won't resign? I think the last rumor by EF was they offered 12m/year. Don't see mikko signing for that especially and I dont think he likes playing several less minutes per game
 
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newsportsfan123 said:
"Rantanen looks like a fish out of water." He has led this team in xG% since he arrived and has a higher percentage than anyone else involved in the trade. Don’t give me the “Canes shoot from everywhere” argument; that doesn’t matter. Teams with high xGF create high-danger chances.

As for losing Necas and Drury, those two are replaceable from a Carolina perspective. I won’t deny that this has the potential to be a fleece by Colorado, but it’s not a move that will cripple the Canes. Drury is a bottom-6/middle-6 forward who can forecheck and take faceoffs. You can find a player like that for $2.5 million. Plus, Carolina already has Staal and will eventually have Suzuki, who has a higher ceiling.


While they may not be able to truly replace Necas, Blake’s performance has made them care less about that loss. Blake plays a significantly better defensive game than Necas. He’s like Necas but without the speed and with a better defensive game, deking through three players at least once a game.


Then you have Nadeau (potentially a 40-goal scorer), Unger-Sorum, Robidas, and eventually Artamonov and other Russian forwards (if they hit). The Hurricanes don’t want to keep waiting for their prospects because they have somewhat of a logjam. Rod won’t move away from the Staal line, so the only way some of these prospects will succeed is if they get a role in the top-6. I don’t know how Carolina will fit all these prospects into their roster. They have three that are NHL-ready, but none that can fit on the 4th line.



This is a good analysis of the last couple of games:
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Rantanen is going to walk. Guaranteed.
 
Linds said:
Would the Canes consider trading Mikko before the deadline if he won't resign? I think the last rumor by EF was they offered 12m/year. Don't see mikko signing for that especially and I dont think he likes playing several less minutes per game
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No. Friedman speculated that Carolina would use the ability to use the 8th year as a way to structure the contract so that the only way a team on the open market could match was if they gave him 7 x $14
 
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