Rantanen vs Necas points race to end of season.

[a mangy Meowth]

The hot streak was when he got something like 33 points in 20 games. And then in the 29 games that followed it until his trade, he had 22 points, which is much more in line with his career. You know, his previous 350+ games?

But I'm sure you're right. Those 20 games are definitely a big enough sample size to dismiss the rest of his career.

But I was including all the other games too? All 54 to this date. He'd still be leading your team in scoring by 9

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Upon some light research, it looks like Necas also led the team in points in the 2022-23 season.

Was that also a hot streak?

Nope, that was was definitely all him. How'd he do the season after that? The season before? Are you starting to see why Canes fans are saying he has consistency issues?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Nope, that was was definitely all him. How'd he do the season after that? The season before? Are you starting to see why Canes fans are saying he has consistency issues?

2/3 most recent seasons he's the Canes leading scorer lol. Bit silly to suggest he's inconsistent, and if he is, who the hell isn't on your team? It's a meme at this point right? Off year, On year, Off year. What's Aho's excuse?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Upon some light research, it looks like Necas also led the team in points in the 2022-23 season.

Was that also a hot streak?

No... but that also wasn't him scoring at over a point per game clip which he is this season. Again, that's much more in line with his other seasons than this year. Aho also had a slightly better PPG with a lot more goals scored than Necas but he missed a handful of games.

You are once again trying to make it out to seem like Canes fans think Necas is terrible or something. He's a historically streaky player. Even in his higher producing seasons he's still streaky. That was the point. What we are seeing this year from him production wise, he hasn't played at that level for any kind of consistency in his entire career. Even IN this season he's been streaky. Going from incredibly hot for 20 games where he was pacing for like 115 points to then pacing for like 65 points for the next 30. That was the point but you clearly missed it like most things.

2/3 most recent seasons he's the Canes leading scorer lol. Bit silly to suggest he's inconsistent, and if he is, who the hell isn't on your team? It's a meme at this point right? Off year, On year, Off year. What's Aho's excuse?

As mentioned, Aho had a higher PPG than Necas that season and more goals, he must missed some time due to injury. I guess that's his 'excuse'. He's been incredibly consistent over the course of his career. The fact that you're trying to argue contrary to that and saying Necas is some beacon of consistent production is laughable and an embarrassing take.

Do you actually understand the meaning of the word consistent and inconsistent?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

You are once again trying to make it out to seem like Canes fans think Necas is terrible or something. He's a historically streaky player. Even in his higher producing seasons he's still streaky. That was the point. What we are seeing this year from him production wise, he hasn't played at that level for any kind of consistency in his entire career. Even IN this season he's been streaky. Going from incredibly hot for 20 games where he was pacing for like 115 points to then pacing for like 65 points for the next 30. That was the point but you clearly missed it like most things.

I'm posting stats and asking questions because I'm not just going to take your guys' word for it and the logic presented seems rather inconsistent from some of you. It appears more like a narrative than anything useful or insightful.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

I'm just going to track how the points race ends between these 2. They both have 32 games left.

Right now it is (updated after games)

Rants 4gp - 1G, !A
Necas 5gp - 1G, 4A

We need to also track Jack Drury because he’s pacing pretty similar to Rants

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Nope, that was was definitely all him. How'd he do the season after that? The season before? Are you starting to see why Canes fans are saying he has consistency issues?

The season after that he was played on PP2 to spread things out. His ES numbers really didn't change all that much - he had 4 less ES points in 5 less games. But his PP points dropped from 26 to 13.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

The season after that he was played on PP2 to spread things out.

Was it only a coincidence that they were also in a bit of a contract... 'dispute' with Necas around that time? I feel like I remember it being suggested that it was also an attempt to reduce his contract AAV. In other words, sabotage. I could be misremembering this, though.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Was it only a coincidence that they were also in a bit of a contract... 'dispute' with Necas around that time? I feel like I remember it being suggested that it was also an attempt to reduce his contract AAV. In other words, sabotage. I could be misremembering this, though.

I'm not going to speculate but demoting your 23 year old leading scorer to the 2nd unit is probably pretty uncommon. Especially when said player lapped the rest of the team's forwards in PP points. He had 26 of them, Svechnikov was 2nd with 16. I have to imagine it's unprecedented.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The season after that he was played on PP2 to spread things out. His ES numbers really didn't change all that much - he had 4 less ES points in 5 less games. But his PP points dropped from 26 to 13.

He was dropped to PP2. But this entire argument started because of the claim that Necas could carry his linemates. Which he would have to do on PP2, and as you pointed out, he was less successful in doing so.

As Tarheel said, a version of Necas that can carry a line long term is a version of Necas that we've yet to see in his career.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He was dropped to PP2. But this entire argument started because of the claim that Necas could carry his linemates. Which he would have to do on PP2, and as you pointed out, he was less successful in doing so.

As Tarheel said, a version of Necas that can carry a line long term is a version of Necas that we've yet to see in his career.

His PP time dropped by nearly half (especially when you consider how many of a PP2 player's shifts start with the puck behind your own net instead of with an OZ faceoff. His p/60 productivity didn't really change much, especially when you consider that context.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I'm not going to speculate but demoting your 23 year old leading scorer to the 2nd unit is probably pretty uncommon. Especially when said player lapped the rest of the team's forwards in PP points. He had 26 of them, Svechnikov was 2nd with 16. I have to imagine it's unprecedented.

I won't either, but yeah that seems rather odd to say the least.