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Rantanen vs Necas points race to end of season.

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yeaher said:
Well, if someone has common sense, they would extrapolate if more penalties were called there'd by more opportunities for your negative rating to decrease (become more negative in this case). I mean how can you argue that the other team is having great success on the power play against you, but you are having a lack of success because not enough opportunities?
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My point is that in the playoffs there are fewer penalties called overall compared to the regular season. With a smaller sample size each one carries more weight in terms of your percentages. So that's just the math part of it. Then there is the cause and effect side where you are facing tougher competition vs. regular season so it may be expected that your overall effectiveness would go down. And then the third part I mentioned is that the Canes just flat out haven't been good enough in the special teams department in the playoffs. Not sure the specific reasoning behind it but at the end of the day it doesn't matter, you have to adjust and when you get those chances you need to convert. Canes haven't done that and it's been a huge reason why they haven't had success in later rounds.

This was literally all in my original post about it.
 
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yeaher said:
Well enjoy those Conference Finalist Banners then haha, pathetic
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We’ve enjoyed every run. Like Avs fans, Canes fans know what it’s like to have an irrelevant team that doesn’t even think of playoffs, or can’t get out of the first round when they do. Makes it easy to enjoy every playoff win, every successful handshake, and patiently wait for that breakthrough to the next level. Both fanbases have plenty in common in that area.
 
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GIN ANTONIC said:
My point is that in the playoffs there are fewer penalties called overall compared to the regular season. With a smaller sample size each one carries more weight in terms of your percentages. So that's just the math part of it. Then there is the cause and effect side where you are facing tougher competition vs. regular season so it may be expected that your overall effectiveness would go down. And then the third part I mentioned is that the Canes just flat out haven't been good enough in the special teams department in the playoffs. Not sure the specific reasoning behind it but at the end of the day it doesn't matter, you have to adjust and when you get those chances you need to convert. Canes haven't done that and it's been a huge reason why they haven't had success in later rounds.

This was literally all in my original post about it.
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I suspect if we looked at opposing goalies’ PK save percentages it would tell the story. We faced the very best of Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, and Bobrovsky in consecutive years. You could even argue that Rask was never better than in our series against him. And more often than not, the Canes starting goalie was playing hurt or not playing at all.

There’s only so much you can do to win a series if you’re putting guys like McElhinney and Raanta up against supernova Hall of Famers.
 
tarheelhockey said:
I suspect if we looked at opposing goalies’ PK save percentages it would tell the story. We faced the very best of Vasilevskiy, Shesterkin, and Bobrovsky in consecutive years. You could even argue that Rask was never better than in our series against him. And more often than not, the Canes starting goalie was playing hurt or not playing at all.

There’s only so much you can do to win a series if you’re putting guys like McElhinney and Raanta up against supernova Hall of Famers.
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Yes, there are series where we got goalied, but there are series where we didn't. And you also have to look at the idea that maybe we didn't get goalied as much as we thought and perhaps our players just didn't execute as well as they should have. I'm sure it's a bit of both.

We have often taken the position that scoring is what has let us down in the playoffs and not the goaltending matchups. Perhaps it is a bit of bad timing in that the series that when he got 'goalied' our goalies were generally good as well and then in the series where our forwards did score more, our goalies didn't shut the door. That's the playoffs though. At the end of the day you have to find a way to get it done.
 
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1. Of course Necas is going to put up more points than he was in Carolina. It's a more offensively minded system in Colorado, he's getting more minutes in Colorado and he's playing next to McKinnon. Anyone who didn't see this coming paid zero attention to Necas before this trade.

2. Carolina is not going to get rid of Brindamour. He's not only the most successful coach the franchise has ever had, he's arguably one of the most successful coaches in NHL history, given his coaching career thus far. His system does tend to put a focus on defensive responsibilities over offensive flair, but the results speak for themselves.
 
Blueline Bomber said:
1. Of course Necas is going to put up more points than he was in Carolina. It's a more offensively minded system in Colorado, he's getting more minutes in Colorado and he's playing next to McKinnon. Anyone who didn't see this coming paid zero attention to Necas before this trade.

2. Carolina is not going to get rid of Brindamour. He's not only the most successful coach the franchise has ever had, he's arguably one of the most successful coaches in NHL history, given his coaching career thus far. His system does tend to put a focus on defensive responsibilities over offensive flair, but the results speak for themselves.
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Yes exactly. The results are that the Canes are a bunch of losers and the only cup they get close to is the ones they put between their legs each game. But based on how they play hockey I don't even understand why they need them.

@a mangy Meowth
@yeaher
@Pierce Hawthorne
@qc14
@Muffin
@OilersFanatics505

Did I do that right?
 
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a mangy Meowth said:
Oh did I say that stuff? :laugh:

Last I spoke in this thread was Sunday and it had nothing to do with Canes
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Well you’re following all my posts around like a little puppy dog with your laugh reactions so thought you would want to be included. Bring you in from the cold so you don’t have to have your nose pressed up against the window

avalanche_country said:
You can’t be one of the most successful coaches in NHL history and not win a cup.

I hope Rants just stays out east.
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Sure but that’s something that you judge after the coaching career is done. Right now I guess we can say that Rod Brind’Amour has won more games than any other coach in their first 500 games. There’s no award for that and no one is raising banners.
 
Ncit3 said:
They're in here having some kind of therapy session to help justify their lack of playoff success. All they needed was Mikko Rantanen, you know?
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In your expert opinion, how should Canes fans speak about the team over the last 7 years. Please tell us so we can copy and paste it for future posts.
 
GIN ANTONIC said:
In your expert opinion, how should Canes fans speak about the team over the last 7 years. Please tell us so we can copy and paste it for future posts.
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Why say anything when you could just post this:

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GIN ANTONIC said:
Well you’re following all my posts around like a little puppy dog with your laugh reactions so thought you would want to be included. Bring you in from the cold so you don’t have to have your nose pressed up against the window


Sure but that’s something that you judge after the coaching career is done. Right now I guess we can say that Rod Brind’Amour has won more games than any other coach in their first 500 games. There’s no award for that and no one is raising banners.
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Regular season for show, post season for dough. Success is measured in the playoffs. Ask SJ fans how they feel about great regular seasons of the past.
 
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Ncit3 said:
Why say anything when you could just post this:

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So in this scenario, if someone asked a Canes fan ‘how do you feel the team has performed since new ownership took over?’ you are saying the Canes fan should reply with this stupid picture? Just want to get that straight since it’s one of the dumbest posts on here
 
avalanche_country said:
Regular season for show, post season for dough. Success is measured in the playoffs. Ask SJ fans how they feel about great regular seasons of the past.
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Totally agree. Being a successful reg season head coach without winning it all is not going to put you in that top tier. Good thing he’s still relatively early in his coaching career and still there’s time to keep going for it. Maybe this year with Rantanen being a bonafide elite player will take them to the next level.
 
Avsfan1921 said:
How about that trade, eh? Sure will be interesting to follow the results in this thread that is sure to not get locked up due to a completely irrelevant spat about coaches!
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THIS

How did this become a shit on Canes and Brindamour thread?lol

2 great players in a very interesting trade that I think benefits both teams. Coincidentally, both teams are very good too!
 
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I know Canes fans have told us Necas at C doesn’t work but I want to try it for a few games anyways. His capabilities at zone entry is undeniable and from what I recall the knock from fans was that he didn’t use his linemates. Here, he’s been spectacular at that so maybe with the change of scenery and the presumed bump in confidence in having fit in immediately, I think it makes a lot of sense to at least try it.

If they can find a way to successfully separate MacKinnon and Necas, the Avs forward depth is very good.

His points might take a hit but the team depth would be much better off, and having two lines with speedsters like that will make it hard for opponents to defend.
 
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Avsfan1921 said:
I know Canes fans have told us Necas at C doesn’t work but I want to try it for a few games anyways. His capabilities at zone entry is undeniable and from what I recall the knock from fans was that he didn’t use his linemates. Here, he’s been spectacular at that so maybe with the change of scenery and the presumed bump in confidence in having fit in immediately, I think it makes a lot of sense to at least try it.

If they can find a way to successfully separate MacKinnon and Necas, the Avs forward depth is very good.

His points might take a hit but the team depth would be much better off, and having two lines with speedsters like that will make it hard for opponents to defend.
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Agreed. Avs tried Rantanen at center multiple times and it never worked. Now if Necas would thrive at 2C (he'd still get awesome linemates too once Nichuskin and hopefully Landeskog are back to complete the forward depth), this trade would be even more awesome for the Avs.
 
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Big Daddy Cane said:
We don't know if it would work or not. It was never tried. The skepticism is a function of respect for the opinion of a former fringe HOF two-way center.

Necas can drive the play from the wing. Does it matter that a third wheel type that lines up next to him is playing center rather than wing?
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Apologies, I thought it was said that it was tried and failed. I’m getting old and forgetful lol.

It matters to me only in the context that if he’s shifted to center and struggles, then 2c is still a very real concern, as Mittlestadt has underperformed there. Finding a 2w over 2c is usually cheaper and there are more options available. So if he can fill that spot we are likely to find cheaper, better trades moving forward to strengthen our lineup.

However, as you say, if he can drive a line from 2w, that is still a big win and is a great consolation prize. I’d just prefer it to be at C over W.
 
Avsfan1921 said:
If they can find a way to successfully separate MacKinnon and Necas, the Avs forward depth is very good
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This is my initial view as well. Necas is a puck hungry 5 on 5 wizard that can carry non superstars. So split him up from MacK and give him 2 guys he enjoys playing with that feed that. Then just put them together on PP's or down a goal type situations.

If Avs could turn him into a C I would be selfishly very happy because Czechs need C's.

As a recent example... I was positive Jiri Kulich would be a shit C and a great winder (Kulich is a shooter) and his career took off when they put him at C. Coach likes his speed and how he uses it create space for others. So who knows?
 
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