Value of: Rantanen to STL

[Freaky Styley]

I don't really see anything of remote value for Colorado from STL that would make it worth entertaining the idea of trading him within the divison.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

To Colorado:

Binnington and a 1st

The Dize also has to become an Avalanche fan


To Stl:

Rantanen

I'm in.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Absolutely Zero chance Blues and Avs make a deal for someone like Rantanen. Aves rightfully ask for the moon and the Blues will not give up the assets for a player that goes UFA at the end of this season.

 

[Blanick]

To Colorado:

Binnington and a 1st

The Dize also has to become an Avalanche fan


To Stl:

Rantanen

Are you sure? Talk about a true negative value asset.

 

[BleedBlue14]

To Colorado:

Binnington and a 1st

The Dize also has to become an Avalanche fan


To Stl:

Rantanen

I wonder if Colorado would accept if you remove Binnington, the 1st, and replace Rantanen with future considerations

 

[the_fan]

I'm an admin, so I'm stuck here.

Do you guys get paid for being admin on this site?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Do you guys get paid for being admin on this site?

We get paid in good times and the satisfaction of a job done.

It is a fun way to volunteer, though.

 

[the_fan]

We get paid in good times and the satisfaction of a job done.

It is a fun way to volunteer, though.

I’m sorry, you lost me….

Just kidding

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Are you sure? Talk about a true negative value asset.

But Dizee brings a guaranteed win with every GDT he posts*

*real results may vary

 

[JoeSakic13]

I wonder if Colorado would accept if you remove Binnington, the 1st, and replace Rantanen with future considerations

Colorado would probably consider it if they removed Dizzee.

That guy’s a dealbreaker.

 

[Xerloris]

Rantanen with Thomas sure would be a hell of a top line. I have to say no though simply because of the money he will want. and maybe age? Not sure how old he is.

 

[Reality Czech]

Weird thread. At least it’s stayed mostly cordial so far?

Finally Blues and Avs fans can unite on something, i.e. how unrealistic this whole scenario is.

Colorado owns St. Louis.

Let's keep this civil. I wouldn't want to have to bring up the fact that the Blues didn't have a chance to own Colorado in the playoffs during our peak years, because the Lanche weren't even in the playoffs for the better part of a decade.

 

[AvsGuy]

criticsm is healthy and needed for any debate.

Criticism involves identifying flaws in an argument.

Flaming in posting an insult with the intent to be negative.

“I wish I had stopped reading after the first sebtence” is an insult meant to be negative. It is pure flaming. It is not criticism. It is embarrassing the dude didn’t delete it. I’m glad ive moved past the ability to be like that.

Some of y’all need to think about yourselves and consider what improvement looks like. You’ll thank me if you do. Life is better on the other side.

Lol jesus buddy. Good thing you're here so we can all learn to improve. Maybe one day I'll start my own pointless thread and bitch about how no one will participate the way I want.

 

[StlBigFly]

Lol jesus buddy. Good thing you're here so we can all learn to improve. Maybe one day I'll start my own pointless thread and bitch about how no one will participate the way I

I care 0 whether you want to participate. The audience is people who want to participate. I’m not here to appease all.

I care that people who don’t want to participate can’t just move on and find stuff they want to do instead. They would rather make things toxic and fill things they don’t like full of garbage.

Move on. If this isn’t for you then it isn’t for you. You’ll get over it. Speculating about a pending ufa specifically in a section about proposed trades is a normal thing that happens. There’s a thousand other threads or you could make your own. It’s not normal for people to browse everything life has to offer while proclaiming loudly how much they hate each thing. Go do stuff you like.

 

[Mike Liut]

I’d do Rantanen for Buchnevich straight up. The Blues can try to extend him with Buch’s money, if not, they free themselves of Buch’s contract which I hated from day 1

 

[PAZ]

I think stl would have to move Kyrou there, then overpay with a top shelf prospect or two or three, or four…and probably some futures. Or Buchnevich. Or somehow 8 mil on the books going the other way. This is where I stop because I don’t know what Colorado would want, but if they wanted the stuff Stl has then they’d get a looot of stuff. We got some good stuff. Snuggeruds and dvorksys and Stenbergs, stancls, jechos. All sorts of things. Get ~8 mil of contracts from stls depth chart then Pick two prospects, no restrictions, then demand a first. That’s what it would cost probs.

Only way it makes sense from the Avs POV if they better this season, which is a big ask considering the cap and Rants going the other way. Picks + Prospects don't move the needle. The Avs would sooner treat Rants like a rental for a cup run than trade him for futures.

So basically it would need to be something like Thomas retained down to $5 mil + 50% retained Fowler. Then add it's within the division so Holloway would probably need to be added.

Does it make sense for the Blues? Not a chance. But the Avs brass clearly believe the next 1-2 years is their window, so any trade involving Rants would be looked at with that lens. I guess the other scenario would be if a trade happened for his rights in the offseason if the Avs truly can't come to terms with Rants, but I have no idea what his value would be then.

 

[Blanick]

Only way it makes sense from the Avs POV if they better this season, which is a big ask considering the cap and Rants going the other way. Picks + Prospects don't move the needle. The Avs would sooner treat Rants like a rental for a cup run than trade him for futures.

So basically it would need to be something like Thomas retained down to $5 mil + 50% retained Fowler. Then add it's within the division so Holloway would probably need to be added.

Does it make sense for the Blues? Not a chance. But the Avs brass clearly believe the next 1-2 years is their window, so any trade involving Rants would be looked at with that lens. I guess the other scenario would be if a trade happened for his rights in the offseason if the Avs truly can't come to terms with Rants, but I have no idea what his value would be then.

The premise of the this thread started off bad but come on you just swung the pendulum of ridiculous way back the other way. Thomas is PPG player who anyone would agree plays the more important position and you want us to retain 3+ mil for 7 years. Then we add a cheap young player who will be a RFA on pace for 30 goals and 60 points to that. Then on top of that a top4 defenseman signed for another year that you want us to retain another 3+ mil on per year. All for an admittingly elite winger who is pending UFA. The ask should be a little ridiculous I say, but you went to Pluto.

 

[PAZ]

The premise of the this thread started off bad but come on you just swung the pendulum of ridiculous way back the other way. Thomas is PPG player who anyone would agree plays the more important position and you want us to retain 3+ mil for 7 years. Then we add a cheap young player who will be a RFA on pace for 30 goals and 60 points to that. Then on top of that a top4 defenseman signed for another year that you want us to retain another 3+ mil on per year. All for an admittingly elite winger who is pending UFA. The ask should be a little ridiculous I say, but you went to Pluto.

I'm appeasing the OP for what the ask would be. In his hypothetical situation, Rantanen would be re-signed with the Blues.

I flat out stated it makes no sense to the Blues, but for the Avs to actually consider moving him this season it would need to make the team better. It makes no difference if Thomas had 2 years left on his contract or 7 years for this premise.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

The audience is people who want to participate.

You told me to leave.

 

[MaKarter]

Best I can do is one slightly used Casey Mittelstadt.

 

[Dr Robot]

Best I can do is one slightly used Casey Mittelstadt.

How much you want for him?

 

[MaKarter]

How much you want for him?

It's a good question. Avs would want a center that fits the team better.

 

[StlBigFly]

I'm appeasing the OP for what the ask would be. In his hypothetical situation, Rantanen would be re-signed with the Blues.

I flat out stated it makes no sense to the Blues, but for the Avs to actually consider moving him this season it would need to make the team better. It makes no difference if Thomas had 2 years left on his contract or 7 years for this premise.

What started the thought was a discussion:

If he doesn’t stay, which of course is the general belief, but if he doesn’t; who can fit him from three points of view: depth chart hole, salary cap structure, and has legitimate assets to offer in return whereby the aftermath of the trade doesn’t cripple the acquiring team because it had to send out stuff that can’t be replaced easily, and also; that Colorado can get enough to feel good about, having it be their preferred outcome for their strategic reasons as it always is. Bonus points if the team is in or near contention with a non-rebuild depth chart.

If you go thru the league with those criteria, I think a whole lot of teams get eliminated.

Like for example: unless NYR was moving Panarin the other way, it’s hard to understand how Rantanen could become a Ranger. Or: Vegas seems to always find a way, but I don’t see how they could shift things. Teams like Toronto have this need covered. The lightning just signed Guentzel. A team like the Panthers looks like they’ll have to address things like future defense before they’d look at some large winger investment. The Kings would be interested I’d imagine but I don’t see what they would offer…I think they need all of their young pieces maybe - they’re the prime case where the trade cost would do too much damage imo; losing Dubois for nothing from depth chart perspective hurts. A team like Seattle has the need but the depth chart is not ready imo compared to others.

I kinda whiddled down the league to:

Stl, NJD, Utahns, Hurricanes (but they’re cheap). I’m sure there are others but I don’t see it really. There’s unprotected Kyrou, short termed Necas, Utah and devils is just a ton of guys. I think if a big wing change happened, these are the 4 places that have good odds to be involved, apart from rental and the Petterson/Miller situation being separate. Then I’m dropping a necas plus for Rantanen idea because historically that franchise avoids huge contracts; the thing Rantanen is reportedly asking for.

I think the best trading partner is possibly Utah, if it came to it; because they have so many different things to offer. It seems like a big splashy thing to do for a new franchise to sell tickets. Stl is similarly positioned with assets. Both teams have middle aged guys such as Thomas and Keller, Parayko and Sergachev; both are not rebuild cores, they’re the opposite; they’re the ages you load up. Neither team has a bonafide winger allstar at the productive ages (Keller not being counted because he is on the ice no matter what in most situations and would be complimentary or the return for Rantanen and Kyrou lot counted because while he is great at what he is great at, he is a different tier of player who’s compensation reflects as much). They’re both cores missing a few pieces to contend and teams in these positions sometimes trade up to add that piece. These two teams are ideal to make a large transaction imo, just probably not with one another. As for the Devils, they have interesting things. If some other team’s decision maker falls in love with something interesting in New Jersey then I think you’ll see something big. The capitals are also interesting but I just don’t see them moving what the ask would be. Ryan Leonard is a keeper and their timeline seems to fit him with McMichael. Imagine if that was offered tho? I’d have a real hard time saying no.

Colorado is in the best position. They have allll the leverage. If Rantanen moves it’s because an offer exists that is too good to say no to, probably something that solves multiple problems with high end solutions. Their worst case is bending on salary negotiations then that’s not that bad.

I know some Colorado fans absolutely love Rantanen and hate to ever see him traded and they’re not the ideal audience for the topic, but im not here to blast them; instead, what I think can be realized is that if something happens, you’re getting paid. You don’t have to do this. That’s a good way to be.

Colorado has a history of change around core offensive forwards in the 28-30 age range.

 

[Crossfire Hurricane]

I'm as big a Blues hater as anyone, but this seems like a pretty anodyne thread topic to warrant this kind of reaction.

 

[AvsGuy]

Colorado has a history of trading high end offensive guys at this career stage. Lots of examples.

Colorado traded Paul stastny to Stl at age 28. Rantanen will either be Hejduk, and they’ll lock him up, or he will be Forsberg, traded for a younger star.

Colorado didn't trade Paul Stastny to St Louis, he signed as a free agent. They also never traded Peter Forsberg for a younger star - he signed as a free agent with Philadelphia following the lockout.

I know the thread isn't going the way you'd hoped - have you considered not pulling information out of your ass?