Rank these 4 players at their peak that you'd want in a 7 game playoff series
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Datsyuk
Bergeron
Hossa/Kariya
I think Kariya could’ve been better than he had the opportunity to show due to injuries and the teams he played on though. Easy to imagine a scenario where I would take him ahead of the others except Datsyuk.
Bergeron
Hossa/Kariya
I think Kariya could’ve been better than he had the opportunity to show due to injuries and the teams he played on though. Easy to imagine a scenario where I would take him ahead of the others except Datsyuk.
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I’m pretty sure Kariya would have performed the best, had he been on stacked teams like Detroit, Chicago, and to lesser extents, Pittsburgh and Boston.
I noticed your comments in the other thread and while I’m not into what if games, that’s the difference between Kariya and the other players.
Well, that and being a better player, who had what, at least six known concussions?
I noticed your comments in the other thread and while I’m not into what if games, that’s the difference between Kariya and the other players.
Well, that and being a better player, who had what, at least six known concussions?
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Bergeron
Kariya / Datsyuk
Hossa
Kariya / Datsyuk
Hossa
Datsyuk, he was better than all of them as a 2-way beast with supreme offensive talents on ice. We don’t have a Datsyuk type in the league atm. Great player.
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Weird players for playoffs.
I feel both Datsyuk and Bergeron are overrated for playoffs. They did decent enough overall - but some people believe they are great or unstoppable, and that's just not the case. Datsyuk's playoffs are ~so-so all things considered.
Problem is - Hossa is the worst of the 4 players (even though pretty strong for playoffs) - and I think Kariya is possibly the best, but he has such a small playoff track record so it's hard to judge. I think I'd go:
Datsyuk
Kariya
Hossa
Bergeron
But - they're all relatively close, and I could see it go anyway from 1 to 4.
If this is based on that other thread that also involved Lafleur and Kopitar - Lafleur would be #1 by a huge margin, and I'd actually pick Kopitar #2. Better/more consistent playoff track record for him than these 4 players listed here.
I feel both Datsyuk and Bergeron are overrated for playoffs. They did decent enough overall - but some people believe they are great or unstoppable, and that's just not the case. Datsyuk's playoffs are ~so-so all things considered.
Problem is - Hossa is the worst of the 4 players (even though pretty strong for playoffs) - and I think Kariya is possibly the best, but he has such a small playoff track record so it's hard to judge. I think I'd go:
Datsyuk
Kariya
Hossa
Bergeron
But - they're all relatively close, and I could see it go anyway from 1 to 4.
If this is based on that other thread that also involved Lafleur and Kopitar - Lafleur would be #1 by a huge margin, and I'd actually pick Kopitar #2. Better/more consistent playoff track record for him than these 4 players listed here.
Well that’s a big whoops. In no universe would any sane person take Bergeron over Datsyuk, especially not at their best.
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Yeah I would have Kopitar easily after Datsyuk but both behind Lafleur.
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I'd probably take them in this order:
1) Kariya
2) Bergeron
3) Datsyuk
4) Hossa
1) Kariya
2) Bergeron
3) Datsyuk
4) Hossa
Could you help explain the rationale behind Bergeron over Datsyuk? Kariya I can kinda understand but Bergeron is just a worse version of the same player.
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Their playoff production is nearly identical, but Bergeron is the superior defensive player.
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Kariya is made for this soft ass era he'd probably be the best player today or at the very least right up there with McDavid and Bedard so him even (slightly) above the great Pavel Datsyuk
No disrespect to the other guys absolute great players but they can't hang with Kariya and Datsyuk
No disrespect to the other guys absolute great players but they can't hang with Kariya and Datsyuk
For ability I'm fine putting Kopitar behind Datsyuk. At their best - I'd say Datsyuk is better. But for actual resume - Kopitar was more consistent in the playoffs.
Datsyuk's playoff resume is simply not that great tbh. He was nothing special in the 2002 cup win - just a rookie it's true, but he was also already 23 years old.
He was outstaged by Zetterbeg in 2008. He didn't do too well in 2009 - I know he had some injury troubles, but 9 points in 16 games is just not good - he was 10th in team scoring.
113 playoff points in 157 games - that's not even a 60 points pace per 82 games.
For what it's worth - Bergeon actually provided more offense in playoffs than Datsyuk. 62 point pace per 82 games.
Bergeron is better defensively than Datsyuk.
Bergeron in his playoff career averages 62 points per 82 games. Datsyuk is at 59 points per 82 games - which means Bergeron also outmatched him offensively.
There's the rationale.
This question asks about players at their peaks so I don’t get the rationale of taking their entire playoff careers into account here. Infact it quite literally makes no sense.
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Their peak playoff scoring levels aren't exactly far apart either.
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So many failed before they even began GM’s. You take the best player available, which is Kariya.
So what exactly is Datsyuks playoff peak?
2008? 22 points in 20 games. Outscored by his teammate by 5 points? Or 2009 - when he was 10th on team scoring?
If you combine the 2 years - he's 29th in playoff ppg for players with 10+ GP.
Like I said - Datsyuks's playoff are ~so-so, whether it's peak or career.
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Kariya
Datsyuk
Hossa
Bergeron
Bergeron is immensely overrated around here.
Datsyuk
Hossa
Bergeron
Bergeron is immensely overrated around here.
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Just looking at numbers for reference (not my ranking definitively):
Datsyuk 23 points in 22 games for a +13 outstanding all around numbers and outstanding defense. Played on amazing teams though.
Hossa 26 points 20 games +8 also outstanding. Played outstanding defense as well. Played with some all time great centers but was the best defensive player on his line.
Bergeron tough to say what his peak is but if we can call 11 games in the playoffs peak he got 16 points for a plus 6 which is much better than below. His second best is much better than Kariya’s second best at 23 points 20 games for a +15 (wow).
Kariya I guess his best playoffs is 13 points in 11 games and a -2. Pretty solid but small sample size and in a larger sample size he was much worse. Not really a great defensive player.
Datsyuk 23 points in 22 games for a +13 outstanding all around numbers and outstanding defense. Played on amazing teams though.
Hossa 26 points 20 games +8 also outstanding. Played outstanding defense as well. Played with some all time great centers but was the best defensive player on his line.
Bergeron tough to say what his peak is but if we can call 11 games in the playoffs peak he got 16 points for a plus 6 which is much better than below. His second best is much better than Kariya’s second best at 23 points 20 games for a +15 (wow).
Kariya I guess his best playoffs is 13 points in 11 games and a -2. Pretty solid but small sample size and in a larger sample size he was much worse. Not really a great defensive player.
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Datsyuk is the best from the list but Hossa was a beast when paired with a prime Toews. That pair was the ultimate 200ft playoff duo.
I would also take a prime Zetterberg over Bergeron in the playoffs. Z was easily just as good defensively as Bergeron but he brought more offence.
I would also take a prime Zetterberg over Bergeron in the playoffs. Z was easily just as good defensively as Bergeron but he brought more offence.
