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Off Sides said:
That is pretty expensive, include Girardi's buyout which is what I assume leads to those pairs and they are spending like ~25M or 1/3rd of the cap on that D core.
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I'm a lot more comfortable spending this money on a d-core like that than I am the current trash that we ice now. That would give us one of the best top 4s in the NHL. 4 strong two way defensemen. That's real hard to compete with.

Holden should be gone though and Staal too. I don't care how it's done regarding Staal. it's not realistic but it'd be the next step forward to being really competitive again.

Smith playing top pair RD, I don't think that is ideal, nor Shattenkirk playing there. More ideal than Girardi, or McD, or Staal or whatever they throw in that spot, sure I see that too, but ideal in terms of what contender should have on D?
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How many teams have a better RHD than Shattenkirk? Like 10? What is ideal on the top pair if it's not him?
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Trade Holden and re-sign Smith. They're similar players, but Smith is better, more reliable. Holden has been trash for a while. Smith is also better on the right than him. Use that 1.65 from Holden and 2.9 from Klein to retain him.

Maximize Holden's value. Move Klein for a pick, even if he picks up his game well enough. If this is played well by Gorton, we could be going into free agency with:

Signed: McDonagh, Skjei, Smith, Staal
Qualified: Clendening, Paliotta
Traded: Klein, Holden
Bought Out: Girardi
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Good call actually. $1.65M from Holden + $2.9M from Klein is $4.55M in cap space. Give Smith $3.8M of that. He's a steady presence on the back end. Very reliable. Move on from Holden at this point. He was a great stopgap for Skjei, he did his job. Holden and Klein's low cap hits will make them good pickups for teams looking to add a cheap D to start next season. As long as the Rangers don't ask for the moon (I'm thinking a 3rd rounder for Holden and a 6th Rounder for Klein) then they should have zero issues moving them
 
I want to keep Smith but he should be on the left side behind McD and Brady not on the right side. Staal should be moved. We should shore up our right side with RH dmen. Put Clendo on the 3rd pairing. We need a #1 and #2 RH dman.
 
NickyFotiu said:
I want to keep Smith but he should be on the left side behind McD and Brady not on the right side. Staal should be moved. We should shore up our right side with RH dmen. Put Clendo on the 3rd pairing. We need a #1 and #2 RH dman.
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Why?
 
I don't see Shattenkirk as a top pair player, I don't see Smith as a full time top 4 player.

Both can probably play in those spots, but in the playoffs, against the better teams in the league, I think 5on5 other teams top lines get the better of Shattenkirk and I think other teams 2nd lines get the better of Smith.

While I like McD very much, I don't quite put him on the level of say a Letang, or Keith where his partner can be a little lesser than top pair material and have the pair flourish still. Similar for whoever ends up as 2nd pair LD.

I guess if anything most of us agree Staal should be the player moved, which we also all agree is not very realistic.
 
Off Sides said:
I don't see Shattenkirk as a top pair player, I don't see Smith as a full time top 4 player.

Both can probably play in those spots, but in the playoffs, against the better teams in the league, I think 5on5 other teams top lines get the better of Shattenkirk and I think other teams 2nd lines get the better of Smith.

While I like McD very much, I don't quite put him on the level of say a Letang, or Keith where his partner can be a little lesser than top pair material and have the pair flourish still. Similar for whoever ends up as 2nd pair LD.

I guess if anything most of us agree Staal should be the player moved, which we also all agree is not very realistic.
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*gasp* Blasphemy! How dare you!
 
Raspewtin said:
I'm a lot more comfortable spending this money on a d-core like that than I am the current trash that we ice now. That would give us one of the best top 4s in the NHL. 4 strong two way defensemen. That's real hard to compete with.

Holden should be gone though and Staal too. I don't care how it's done regarding Staal. it's not realistic but it'd be the next step forward to being really competitive again.



How many teams have a better RHD than Shattenkirk? Like 10? What is ideal on the top pair if it's not him?
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Lets do this:

Ottawa
Nashville
St.Louis
Calgary
Columbus
Carolina
Pitt when Letang isn't broken, which is like never.
Winnipeg
San Jose
LA
 
DanielBrassard said:
Fair enough, although I would argue with Calgary, and Carolina.
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I guess its a matter of preference but I have Hamilton and Faulk over Shattenkirk pretty easily.

I wasn't disagreeing with Ras' point either, just combing through the teams to see which ones have a RHD better than Shattenkirk. A few of those arguably have more than 1 (like his former team, though that isn't really an argument) but there aren't 30 teams who do.

Also, this isn't directed at you, but Smith is 100% a top 4 defender.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Lets do this:

Ottawa
Nashville
St.Louis
Calgary
Columbus
Carolina
Pitt when Letang isn't broken, which is like never.
Winnipeg
San Jose
LA
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At this point I'm not willing to say Faulk is better any more. He's regressed a bit the last few years. Otherwise, this list is about mine too, but really drives home the point that more than half the league would have Shatt on their top pair.

Off Sides said:
I don't see Shattenkirk as a top pair player, I don't see Smith as a full time top 4 player.
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You've been repeating these points a lot but not following it up with anything. Why aren't they top pair/top 4 quality?
 
Geoff Gorden said:
I guess its a matter of preference but I have Hamilton and Faulk over Shattenkirk pretty easily.

I wasn't disagreeing with Ras' point either, just combing through the teams to see which ones have a RHD better than Shattenkirk. A few of those arguably have more than 1 (like his former team, though that isn't really an argument) but there aren't 30 teams who do.

Also, this isn't directed at you, but Smith is 100% a top 4 defender.
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Oh I know you weren't disagreeing, I think your list is mostly correct anyway. Couldn't agree more about Smith either.
 
I was impressed with Paul Ladue this past saturday. Fast,skilled and a righty. Would Nash with 50% retained be enough? Before the draft?
 
Off Sides said:
I don't see Shattenkirk as a top pair player, I don't see Smith as a full time top 4 player.

Both can probably play in those spots, but in the playoffs, against the better teams in the league, I think 5on5 other teams top lines get the better of Shattenkirk and I think other teams 2nd lines get the better of Smith.

While I like McD very much, I don't quite put him on the level of say a Letang, or Keith where his partner can be a little lesser than top pair material and have the pair flourish still. Similar for whoever ends up as 2nd pair LD.

I guess if anything most of us agree Staal should be the player moved, which we also all agree is not very realistic.
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Smith is very good playoff performer according to Red Wings fans. And I really do not know why Smith is not a Top4 D. Since the trade he is playing 20:30 a game and is doing well. He is exactly what he was supposed to be and it is exactly what Rangers needed.
 
This guy will look like Klein does right now in 2 years. No way I keep him. He's ok at best
 
McD - Shattenkirk, Skjei - Smith looks so good and relatively doable that I am almost sure something will go wrong here.
 
Kovalev27 said:
This guy will look like Klein does right now in 2 years. No way I keep him. He's ok at best
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Still sour about the Rangers not ponying up for Shattenkirk at the deadline?

This is a completely baseless assumption, especially since Smith is younger than Klein was when the Rangers acquired him and hes also better than KK ever was.
 
No he's not. Klein was very good for us. Skated about as well as smith does too. Far from fleet of foot. Don't like him long term at all.

I'd be trading Nash for a young right D like ladue if I could.

I'd 1000 percent be signing shattenkirk. And I guarantee you Girardi is going nowhere. Hell be right next to mcdonagh in October. Book it
 
Kovalev27 said:
No he's not. Klein was very good for us. Skated about as well as smith does too. Far from fleet of foot. Don't like him long term at all.

I'd be trading Nash for a young right D like ladue if I could.

I'd 1000 percent be signing shattenkirk. And I guarantee you Girardi is going nowhere. Hell be right next to mcdonagh in October. Book it
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lol what
 
McD37 said:
McD - Shattenkirk, Skjei - Smith looks so good and relatively doable that I am almost sure something will go wrong here.
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If they do the Staal Buyout and then keep Girardi on the 3rd pair then perhaps...

I'd rather Clendo there honestly.
 
Acquiring Smith was a positive step towards fixing the blue line. Gorton has more work to go, of course, but I'm pleased with phase one.
 
Yeah Smith is much more of a player than Klein is. Klein's also 32, Smith is 28 and has been used in a sparing role most of his career. He's even better than Holden, who is worlds better than Klein...

Let's not forget that fact that he's played on one of the worst teams for the last couple of years--Detroit is downright awful

Smith Hero Chart: https://public.tableau.com/shared/PRC767S7J?:display_count=yes
Klein Hero Chart: https://public.tableau.com/shared/6Z3ZK83M3?:display_count=yes
Holden Hero Chart: https://public.tableau.com/shared/NZMT7P66K?:display_count=yes

In case you don't feel like reading those charts, the shot suppression and shot attempt charts show:

Smith is a #3-4 defenseman
Klein is a #5 defenseman
Holden is a #6 defenseman
 
Off Sides said:
I know, I just don't think he can push ~22-23 minutes a game 5on5 and be effective.

~16 5on5 minutes with a bunch of PP time, I see that as his role.
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I happen to agree with you for the most part. I think if he ends up here he'll start out paired with McDonagh and by November will be on the 2nd pairing.
 
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