Rumor: Rangers Shakeup (Friedman)

[Pavel Buchnevich]

What would be the asking price for Zibananajed to Winnipeg?

Dumping his salary.

Friedman throws a lot of shit against the wall that doesn't stick. He's still one of the top insiders but he's become somewhat of a clickbait artist the last few years.

Of course they're trying to moving Trouba. Even I could have told you that and I know nothing.

This has been confirmed by a few of the beat writers as being true. It seems legit.

 

[Guyute]

The room is messed up after Drury unceremoniously dumped Goodrow via waivers and tried to trade his captain last summer. Most of the core group of leaders are playing like crap as a result. The vibe is off and clearly the younger guys are taking on larger roles. Getting rid of a few of these guys (maybe 2 of Trouba, Lindgren, Zibanejad, Kreider) will be good for both each player, the Rangers, and the acquiring teams.

 

[BHawk21]

Why would the Rangers be adding?

because Jones is good and Trouba is terrible.

 

[Canucks LB]

Kreider would be such a rick tochett guy, but I don’t know how we can make it work with the cap, considering we need a D as well

 

[qc14]

13-6-2 VS 12-6-1

If You don't know what that is, that is the record of both the Rangers and Leafs, there is a 3 point difference between the 2 teams.

3 points.

1 more win and 1 extra OT loss

The reason I bring up those 2 teams and those 2 records is to show how close they are.

What You are telling me is that the difference between panic and not being panicked is 3 points.

I just think you guys need to relax and chill.

The Rangers are going to be fine there is no need to shake the foundation of the team.

Based on points percentage that's around an 8 point difference over a full season, which is not insignificant. Toronto is also 7-1 in their last 8 despite having their best player out with injury and while not playing the toughest schedule, have a fair number more "quality wins" than NYR does.

While a team's win/loss record may be strongly correlated with their actual quality and "vibes" they are absolutely not equivalent -- especially in an ~20 game sample size. There are lots of reasons under the hood (and honestly not that under the hood) to be fairly worried about the Rangers' play at the start of the season and especially that of some of their older core pieces.

 

[n8]

because Jones is good and Trouba is terrible.

Have you seen his contract? I want nothing to do with 9.5M AAV signed through to the age of 35. That is a cap killer. Hard pass on the player. The fact that you want the terrible Trouba and a decent but unproven contract says you are hiding the fact you just want to dump this albatross. And I don't blame you. Also Jones has a NMC. Zib for Jones would make more sense as their contracts are similar and it would be a D for C. But then I'd say we're pretty good on RHD in NY. We are in more need of LHD.

 

[SensFactor]

Krieder would be a great fit in Ottawa. I've always liked his game.

 

[Tawnos]

Kreider would be such a rick tochett guy, but I don’t know how we can make it work with the cap, considering we need a D as well

Any Kreider trade is going to be a hockey trade. It's not going to be for futures. Or at least not picks/prospects kind of futures. I'm not saying these as serious trade proposals, but think more like Kreider for Garland rather than for Kreider for Lekkerimaki. Some of the cap would work itself out in the process.

 

[HuGort]

Rangers either Cup or bust this season

 

[Nogatco Rd]

It was literally confirmed this past offseason that Trouba did not have negative value.

I know there were teams interested in whatever NYR was proposing, do we know for sure that the rangers weren’t including sweeteners in their proposals?

Would be surprised to find out that there are teams willing to take on all that salary for what Trouba brings to the table, with no picks attached

 

[kvladimir]

Not sure if this would have any legs, but just something I thought up when thinking about some teams' (especially NYR) needs.

It's very rare that a deal this significant happens at all, let alone between division rivals, but how about this for NYR/PHI, both of whom clearly need different kinds of shakeups?

To NYR: Sanheim, Tippett, Frost
To PHI: Krieder, Trouba, Othmann, +

Feels like a + from NYR would be needed... also, this deal would be just $50k going to NYR. From their perspective, it's a better balance of LD/RD in their top 4 (Sanheim-Fox, Miller-Schneider), and you can now move Laf to LW, bring Tippett in as a RW (not sure what lines would make the most sense)

For PHI, you get a significant prospect, plus add solid veteran leadership, including at a position of need (RD). They still need C help, but they have options. Trouba stays close to home. Only Sanheim has a full NMC, Kreider/Trouba have 15-team NTCs that PHI are probably not on.

Just something to put out there, obviously I am not intimately familiar how each team feels about each player...

 

[TGWL]

Based on points percentage that's around an 8 point difference over a full season, which is not insignificant. Toronto is also 7-1 in their last 8 despite having their best player out with injury and while not playing the toughest schedule, have a fair number more "quality wins" than NYR does.

While a team's win/loss record may be strongly correlated with their actual quality and "vibes" they are absolutely not equivalent -- especially in an ~20 game sample size. There are lots of reasons under the hood (and honestly not that under the hood) to be fairly worried about the Rangers' play at the start of the season and especially that of some of their older core pieces.

In fairness to the poster... before the loss last night, the point difference over a full season was less than 2. But yes they have a boat load of issues right now,

 

[biturbo19]

I'd like either of Trouba or Kreider in Vancouver. But i really don't see how they'd make the cap work, and Trouba in particular, is probably never going to agree to go back to Canada on the opposite coast.

Even if the Canucks could dump Myers back the other way in a Trouba deal, i still just don't see how it'd be possible to make it all fit. And the Canucks just...don't really have much in the way of bad contracts left to dump. They've already either dumped them, or are suffering the buyout penalties for them.

 

[Smitty426]

The room is messed up after Drury unceremoniously dumped Goodrow via waivers and tried to trade his captain last summer. Most of the core group of leaders are playing like crap as a result. The vibe is off and clearly the younger guys are taking on larger roles. Getting rid of a few of these guys (maybe 2 of Trouba, Lindgren, Zibanejad, Kreider) will be good for both each player, the Rangers, and the acquiring teams.

all pretty good pts

 

[Hisch13r]

I'd like either of Trouba or Kreider in Vancouver. But i really don't see how they'd make the cap work, and Trouba in particular, is probably never going to agree to go back to Canada on the opposite coast.

Even if the Canucks could dump Myers back the other way in a Trouba deal, i still just don't see how it'd be possible to make it all fit. And the Canucks just...don't really have much in the way of bad contracts left to dump. They've already either dumped them, or are suffering the buyout penalties for them.

Trouba isn't all that different than Myers. Just way more expensive.

 

[Vitto79]

Krieder would be a great fit in Ottawa. I've always liked his game.

Kreider and Trouba for Batherson and Hamonic

Rangers eat 3 million on Trouba

You decline right ? lol

 

[BHawk21]

Have you seen his contract? I want nothing to do with 9.5M AAV signed through to the age of 35. That is a cap killer. Hard pass on the player. The fact that you want the terrible Trouba and a decent but unproven contract says you are hiding the fact you just want to dump this albatross. And I don't blame you. Also Jones has a NMC. Zib for Jones would make more sense as their contracts are similar and it would be a D for C. But then I'd say we're pretty good on RHD in NY. We are in more need of LHD.

No its saying we arnt going to be good for 3-4-5 years and have 3 RD in the pipeline that will be the correct age when we are on the upswing. Jones has a NMC but would go to a team trying to compete to win a cup.

Your stuck in 3 years ago when people thought his contract was bad.

 

[biturbo19]

Trouba isn't all that different than Myers. Just way more expensive.

I'd call him an upgrade. Especially in being more consistent with the physicality. I also think Trouba is the sort of player who would benefit from the coaching in Vancouver, in the same way Myers has, Zadorov cashed in big on it, etc. They get a lot out of players like that. So i think you probably get something more like the "good Trouba". Where the current "bad Trouba" is maybe arguably somewhat on par with the "good Myers"...i think that gap probably widens with Trouba in the Canucks system if you get that "good Trouba".


There's some similarities there though, where you're gonna still get the odd bonehead decision, over-aggressive pinches at weird times, etc. But i'd take Trouba over Myers any day.


It's all kind of a moot point though. I think the Canucks staff really like Myers a lot, and all the trade protections involved make it a non-starter, before even talking about the cap implications.

But i'm a big Trouba fan. He plays the game in a fun way, and a way that's more effective than the analytics might suggest. And in a way that would add a real component to the Canucks defence imo.

 

[SnS]

Not sure if this would have any legs, but just something I thought up when thinking about some teams' (especially NYR) needs.

It's very rare that a deal this significant happens at all, let alone between division rivals, but how about this for NYR/PHI, both of whom clearly need different kinds of shakeups?

To NYR: Sanheim, Tippett, Frost
To PHI: Krieder, Trouba, Othmann, +

Feels like a + from NYR would be needed... also, this deal would be just $50k going to NYR. From their perspective, it's a better balance of LD/RD in their top 4 (Sanheim-Fox, Miller-Schneider), and you can now move Laf to LW, bring Tippett in as a RW (not sure what lines would make the most sense)

For PHI, you get a significant prospect, plus add solid veteran leadership, including at a position of need (RD). They still need C help, but they have options. Trouba stays close to home. Only Sanheim has a full NMC, Kreider/Trouba have 15-team NTCs that PHI are probably not on.

Just something to put out there, obviously I am not intimately familiar how each team feels about each player...

In division aside. I wouldn’t touch that with a 10 foot pole from the Flyers.

Sanheim is a non-starter.
And I think trading our most offensive center and the only creative Center in Frost is horrible.

Torts just needs to leave Frost and MM alone.

I don’t personally want to make a move for Kreider at this stage of where the Flyers are. Trouba only as a dump / with pieces attached as a sweetener. Flyers should not be making win now moves.

 

[AirGut]

What's it gonna take to get Tkachuk Ottawa fans? What would you realistically be comfortable with?

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I would be surprised if Kreider or Trouba are actually traded in season. I’ve been following the organization for a long time and that is not something they do. This feels more like a threat from the front office to the vet core to get their act together. The vets want to coast until the playoffs. The younger guys saw the vets coasting without repercussion (Laviolette’s fault) and said me too. Now no one is back checking and they’re bleeding 45 shots a game.

I know it's a different regime but the Rangers have traded their Captain multiple times mid season in the not so distant past

 

[lakeshirts37]

I know there were teams interested in whatever NYR was proposing, do we know for sure that the rangers weren’t including sweeteners in their proposals?

Would be surprised to find out that there are teams willing to take on all that salary for what Trouba brings to the table, with no picks attached

There was retention, but NYR did not have to attach picks

 

[Nogatco Rd]

There was retention, but NYR did not have to attach picks

if no one will take a player for free then wouldn't that equal negative value?

 

[Kocur Dill]

The room is messed up after Drury unceremoniously dumped Goodrow via waivers and tried to trade his captain last summer. Most of the core group of leaders are playing like crap as a result. The vibe is off and clearly the younger guys are taking on larger roles. Getting rid of a few of these guys (maybe 2 of Trouba, Lindgren, Zibanejad, Kreider) will be good for both each player, the Rangers, and the acquiring teams.

Thats the ass kicker. These guys arent unmoveable. They just need to be convinced to waive their clauses for their own best interest.

Are you really washed up at 30yo? Or are you just complacent and need a change of scenery, regardless of how comfortable your family is.

Someone these players trust needs to say "You are the bread winner. Your career is tanking. Youre clearly not wanted here. Start fresh somewhere else. Youre still young, nowhere near over the hill."

Trouba, Kreider, and Zibanejad are all worthwhile pieces to varying degrees. Trouba is the only one you could argue isnt worth his contract. But 50% retention? NFW! Maybe 25% retention at $6m per the next 2y.

Drury is a fool if he trades any of them for trash.

Do they belong here? Not with the kids we have that are transitioning to yound vets.

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Lindgren otoh may be shot. Hes played Big for way too long with so little. Im affraid he is the proberbial "Candle that burns brightest, burns fastest."

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Well then plan on trading for a similar struggling player on a similar team that is underperforming. Ottawa? Detroit? Maybe Kreider for Kane?

A rebuilding team won’t want an older player and anyteam that fancies itself as a playoff team is looking to unload prospects or picks.

Any Kreider trade is going to be a hockey trade. It's not going to be for futures. Or at least not picks/prospects kind of futures. I'm not saying these as serious trade proposals, but think more like Kreider for Garland rather than for Kreider for Lekkerimaki. Some of the cap would work itself out in the process.