Value of: Rangers Sabres

[BFLO]

Classic Rangers fan bit to drastically over value their middling prospects.

It wasn't too long ago that Chytil, Kakko and Kravstov were UNTOUCHABLE BRO! in the Eichel sweepstakes.

How'd that work out for ya rags?

 

[TommyDangles]

so some guy who isnt a ranger fan says something about us trading for byram and that means we want byram? no sane rangers fan would make that trade. also i sincerely doubt byram is even worth more than schneider. both are decent mildly disappointing players but Schneider is a rhd who has no issues staying healthy. rangers might consider schneider for byram+ but i’d rather just keep schneider and keep playing him at Ld than trade him for byram

Byram is a guy who has had a great playoff run, hot stretches in the regular season, and can play heavy minutes. He was also 16th in EV points this season & played all 82 games this season.

Schneider hasn't been anything more than a bottom pair RD for most of his career.

Rangers would be adding ++ to Schenider to get Byram.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Classic Rangers fan bit to drastically over value their middling prospects.

It wasn't too long ago that Chytil, Kakko and Kravstov were UNTOUCHABLE BRO! in the Eichel sweepstakes.

How'd that work out for ya rags?

who is the eichel being offered up here?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Byram is a guy who has had a great playoff run, hot stretches in the regular season, and can play heavy minutes. He was also 16th in EV points this season & played all 82 games this season.

Schneider hasn't been anything more than a bottom pair RD for most of his career.

Rangers would be adding ++ to Schenider to get Byram.

I 1000% guarantee you Schneider has more value around the league than Byram. Big, right handed defenseman who has no injury concerns versus a more offensive left handed defenseman who has a significant injury history. Even if Byram is a better player Schneider still almost certainly has more value. I don’t think Schneider is anything special but thats the way the league operates.

 

[Beerz]

I 1000% guarantee you Schneider has more value around the league than Byram. Big, right handed defenseman who has no injury concerns versus a more offensive left handed defenseman who has a significant injury history. Even if Byram is a better player Schneider still almost certainly has more value. I don’t think Schneider is anything special but thats the way the league operates.

Or..

Slightly above average size RD who is only 3 inches taller and 8 pounds heavier than Bo Byram... is a considerably worse skater and transitioner of the puck and has played a grand total of 7 more hockey games than Bo Byram over the last 2 NHL seasons.

 

[UnSandvich]

Byram's had severe concussion issues in his career. Rangers just got rid of a player like that with Chytil. I could see Schneider being expendable given the Fox and Borgen contracts, but i don't think Byram would be a target

 

[NYR Viper]

How about we take out Cuylle and Byram.

What about something like Peterka for Schneider + __________

 

[Der Jaeger]

How about we take out Cuylle and Byram.

What about something like Peterka for Schneider + __________

If the Sabres are moving Peterka, it’d need to be for Cullye.

Buffalo has made a living out of trading for player + and it’s gotten them nowhere.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I for one am shocked this turned into a pissing match

 

[tsujimoto74]

How about we take out Cuylle and Byram.

What about something like Peterka for Schneider + __________

That would have to be one hell of a plus, because the value there isn’t even close.

 

[Gabrielor]

I for one am shocked this turned into a pissing match

Eh, this thread is pretty tame compared to most.


Schneider would be of interest to Buffalo, but not for Peterka. Byram is likely available.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

How about we take out Cuylle and Byram.

What about something like Peterka for Schneider + __________

Peterka's inclusion already threw off the value of the initial proposal. Going further in the wrong direction with this one.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Cuylle aint going anywhere.

 

[Beerz]

How about we take out Cuylle and Byram.

What about something like Peterka for Schneider + __________

Schneider would be the "plus" not the entree.

 

[BFLO]

who is the eichel being offered up here?

Stop being obtuse. I didn't say that there was an eichel here, I said rags fans are still overvaluing their prospects just as badly as they did back then. And you'll end up trading Cuylle and Schneider away for scraps in a few years, just like you did with Kravstov, Chytil and Kakko.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Stop being obtuse. I didn't say that there was an eichel here, I said rags fans are still overvaluing their prospects just as badly as they did back then. And you'll end up trading Cuylle and Schneider away for scraps in a few years, just like you did with Kravstov, Chytil and Kakko.

How's year 15 of your rebuild going?

 

[Takeahnase]

Stop being obtuse. I didn't say that there was an eichel here, I said rags fans are still overvaluing their prospects just as badly as they did back then. And you'll end up trading Cuylle and Schneider away for scraps in a few years, just like you did with Kravstov, Chytil and Kakko.

So if past performance is indicative of future results that would mean your undervalued prospects will not ever be in the playoffs around that same time. FFS

 

[Tawnos]

FWIW, Peterka and Cuylle weren't far apart in 5v5 production this season. Peterka 2.34 p/60 vs Cuylle 2.1 p/60. There was only a difference of 5 points.

That being said, the only real appeal a deal like that would have is shifting some of our offensive talent to the right. Otherwise, Cuylle is exactly the kind of player the Rangers need to keep around and not trade in a fairly lateral move.

 

[BFLO]

How's year 15 of your rebuild going?

What does that have to do with your awful takes regarding the value of your prospects and young players?

How does that remove the egg from your face on passing on Eichel and then watching him win a cup the first full season he was away from the Sabres? And then trading away the players that were worth more to you than Eichel, for scraps?

I'm one of the biggest critics of how the Sabres have attempted to rebuild. My takes criticizing the sabres have been correct, just like they were correct on Eichels value, and just like they are correct on this proposed trade too.

So if past performance is indicative of future results that would mean your undervalued prospects will not ever be in the playoffs around that same time. FFS

What? No. If past performance is indicative of future results the team who trades for the Sabres players will win the cup. See St Louis, VGK and the Panthers.

 

[Tawnos]

How does that remove the egg from your face on passing on Eichel and then watching him win a cup the first full season he was away from the Sabres? And then trading away the players that were worth more to you than Eichel, for scraps?

The Rangers didn't pass on Eichel. He was never available to them in the first place.

 

[AirGut]

Classic Rangers fan bit to drastically over value their middling prospects.

It wasn't too long ago that Chytil, Kakko and Kravstov were UNTOUCHABLE BRO! in the Eichel sweepstakes.

How'd that work out for ya rags?

Rangers were actually willing to move big pieces at that point in 2021 for Eichel. How many times does this need to be said?
BUF management just didn't want the smoke, instead opting to ship him out west for a lesser package.
But yeah, believe the Rangers always low-ball and don't do real business.

Anyways, NYR are not moving Cuylle at all. It's not happening. He is going to be a part of this next top-6 core. I see that now people are starting to realize just how good Cuylle can be, probably from watching the WHC. He's a 16 game type power-forward and the Rangers are developing him nicely.

 

[BFLO]

The Rangers didn't pass on Eichel. He was never available to them in the first place.

There's no proof of this.

But what did happen is that the majority, or maybe just the loudest Rangers fans on HFboards absolutely passed on Eichel and told us all they were glad they didn't make the trade for him when it was announced. They were happy the Rangers had held onto Kravstov, Chytil and Kakko rather than use them to acquire Eichel.

That's some serious crow to eat.

And it's the same loud Rangers fans making the same hyperbolic overvaluation of their prospects/young players again in a trade proposal with Buffalo.

 

[TGWL]

There's no proof of this.

But what did happen is that the majority, or maybe just the loudest Rangers fans on HFboards absolutely passed on Eichel and told us all they were glad they didn't make the trade for him when it was announced. They were happy the Rangers had held onto Kravstov, Chytil and Kakko rather than use them to acquire Eichel.

That's some serious crow to eat.

And it's the same loud Rangers fans making the same hyperbolic overvaluation of their prospects/young players again in a trade proposal with Buffalo.

Well, you came running into the thread to mock Ranger fans after only a couple ranked the NYR players higher, and others simply stated how Cuylle brings some more tangible value where NYR are currently lacking. So, yeah, maybe you think the majority = 5 people.

The majority don't even post on the thread boards.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

I'm shocked this thread has gone down the same path as almost all Sabres/Rangers trade threads.

Shocked...

 

[Tawnos]

There's no proof of this.

But what did happen is that the majority, or maybe just the loudest Rangers fans on HFboards absolutely passed on Eichel and told us all they were glad they didn't make the trade for him when it was announced. They were happy the Rangers had held onto Kravstov, Chytil and Kakko rather than use them to acquire Eichel.

That's some serious crow to eat.

And it's the same loud Rangers fans making the same hyperbolic overvaluation of their prospects/young players again in a trade proposal with Buffalo.

It was pretty widely reported. A two second Google search brought up this article from one of the Rangers legitimate beat reporters:

How close did the NY Rangers come to trading for Jack Eichel? Here's the real story

The New York Rangers attempted to make competitive offers for Jack Eichel, but there were too many roadblocks in their path.

www.lohud.com

"Sabres GM Kevyn Adams was willing to engage, but multiple people close to the situation told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network, that Buffalo owner Terry Pegula was against sending his star player downstate."

Beyond that, this is one of the more pointless things I've ever read on these boards. No one here "passed on Eichel" and the ones that wanted to keep those players aren't eating any crow about it. That's not what discussing hockey trades OR eating crow is. And btw, I would have given up Kravtsov or Chytil easily. Kakko and Lafrenière were more of a hesitation, to be sure, but that's what negotiating is about... and negotiating is not what we do here.