Value of: Rangers Sabres

[Satanphonehome]

The Rangers need a top-4 LHD and some fresh blood in their top 6.

The Sabres need some middle-six physicality up front and a 2nd-pair RHD with size and heft.

To my eyes Bo Byram and JJ Peterka fit the bill perfectly for New York and Will Cuylle and Braden Schnieder do the same for Buffalo.

None of these players are assets their teams would easily give up, so this is very much a you-gotta-give-to-get scenario.

But I don't think it works as a straight 2-for-2 deal: the Sabres are giving up too much upside; the Rangers can't accommodate that return under the cap.

So my question is what would have to be added to make this deal work? Or is it too ambitious and something consisting of just two or three of those parts might work better?

I just really like the roster fits for both teams.

 

[Brett44]

Girard and Necas for Zib 50% , Jones and Lafreniere

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Byram and picks/prospects for Cuylle and Schneider would be closer to reasonable, feel free to debate the picks/prospects added there but Peterka is way too high of an ask IMO.

Byram makes a ton of sense as a target for the Rangers, I think he'd fit Sullivan's system like a glove, but Buffalo would want to be getting the better NHL players and paying picks and prospects to do it.

 

[Uberpecker]

Both Buffalo players have clearly more value than the Ranger ones.

 

[Grinner]

Buffalo is giving up the two better players in this deal
Still, it's not chopped liver

 

[n8]

The Rangers need a top-4 LHD and some fresh blood in their top 6.

The Sabres need some middle-six physicality up front and a 2nd-pair RHD with size and heft.

To my eyes Bo Byram and JJ Peterka fit the bill perfectly for New York and Will Cuylle and Braden Schnieder do the same for Buffalo.

None of these players are assets their teams would easily give up, so this is very much a you-gotta-give-to-get scenario.

But I don't think it works as a straight 2-for-2 deal: the Sabres are giving up too much upside; the Rangers can't accommodate that return under the cap.

So my question is what would have to be added to make this deal work? Or is it too ambitious and something consisting of just two or three of those parts might work better?

I just really like the roster fits for both teams.

I like Cuylle more than Peterka and Schneider more than Byram.
Filling a LHD hole while creating a gaping RHD hole sounds really counter-intuitive too.
Gigantic pass from the Rangers. It's too lateral.
It would be more productive to discuss just one of these players because if you want both, I'm asking for Tage or Dahlin coming the other way which we all recognize would never happen.

 

[DJN21]

I like Cuylle more than Peterka and Schneider more than Byram.
Filling a LHD hole while creating a gaping RHD hole sounds really counter-intuitive too.
Gigantic pass from the Rangers. It's too lateral.
It would be more productive to discuss just one of these players because if you want both, I'm asking for Tage or Dahlin coming the other way which we all recognize would never happen.

Well....then there's this take....

 

[pld459666]

I don't see the Rangers moving on from Cuylle

He's the exact type of player they want more of.

I believe they trade Lafreniere before they trade Will Cuylle.

 

[Fatass]

Seems like a fair trade for both clubs.

 

[Djp]

The Rangers need a top-4 LHD and some fresh blood in their top 6.

The Sabres need some middle-six physicality up front and a 2nd-pair RHD with size and heft.

To my eyes Bo Byram and JJ Peterka fit the bill perfectly for New York and Will Cuylle and Braden Schnieder do the same for Buffalo.

None of these players are assets their teams would easily give up, so this is very much a you-gotta-give-to-get scenario.

But I don't think it works as a straight 2-for-2 deal: the Sabres are giving up too much upside; the Rangers can't accommodate that return under the cap.

So my question is what would have to be added to make this deal work? Or is it too ambitious and something consisting of just two or three of those parts might work better?

I just really like the roster fits for both teams.

Rangers add considerably. This has been talked before

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

theres one player on the rangers who is basically untouchable and thats cuylle

we need 6 more of him not to trade him away

 

[Empoleon8771]

Just to throw out a trade idea, Byram and Rosen for Cuylle and Schneider. Which side adds in this?

I feel like Rosen isn't quite enough from Buffalo's side there, but my next guess would be Kulich who feels like too much from Buffalo's side.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Just to throw out a trade idea, Byram and Rosen for Cuylle and Schneider. Which side adds in this?

I feel like Rosen isn't quite enough from Buffalo's side there, but my next guess would be Kulich who feels like too much from Buffalo's side.

rangers arent trading cuylle and this is absolutely terrible for them

 

[Empoleon8771]

rangers arent trading cuylle and this is absolutely terrible for them

Then you're very likely not getting Byram then

You have to give to get.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I don't see the Rangers moving on from Cuylle

He's the exact type of player they want more of.

I believe they trade Lafreniere before they trade Will Cuylle.

I’d trade Lafy just to resign Cuylle long term.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Just to throw out a trade idea, Byram and Rosen for Cuylle and Schneider. Which side adds in this?

I feel like Rosen isn't quite enough from Buffalo's side there, but my next guess would be Kulich who feels like too much from Buffalo's side.

Rangers not a skilled physical team , trades and get less physical, Rangers pass.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Well....then there's this take....

Being a nucks fan I don't know the eastern players as well but I'd consider myself pretty informed for the most part.
I know a lot about the sabres two players, know enough about Sneider and not much about Cuylle, so ya his take is awful.

I mean I remember reading the rangers board when rumours were swirling about JT and many of them wanted to keep Mancini over Sneider if one of them was part of the ask.
Of courSe rags fans reading this will deny it and the site crashing likely erased those threads but it happened so based on that and from what I've seen, I'd say Brayden has not lived up to the hype..
Terrible for the Sabres.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Then you're very likely not getting Byram then

You have to give to get.

so some guy who isnt a ranger fan says something about us trading for byram and that means we want byram? no sane rangers fan would make that trade. also i sincerely doubt byram is even worth more than schneider. both are decent mildly disappointing players but Schneider is a rhd who has no issues staying healthy. rangers might consider schneider for byram+ but i’d rather just keep schneider and keep playing him at Ld than trade him for byram

 

[Satanphonehome]

I don't see the Rangers moving on from Cuylle

He's the exact type of player they want more of.

I believe they trade Lafreniere before they trade Will Cuylle.

theres one player on the rangers who is basically untouchable and thats cuylle

So IMO subbing Lafreniere in for Cuylle is worth considering from both sides and addresses the cap issues.

But it also lessens the value to the Sabres in a concept where I thought the Rangers were already adding. Is there any add from the Rangers to Laf and Schnieder that would entice the Sabres to give up both Peterka and Byram?

What about Byram and Quinn or Peterka and Samuelssson for Laf and Schneider?

Do those work better as a base? What kind of add, if any?

 

[DougBodger]

I don't think Rangers move two of their young guys. It also behooves the Sabres to get the most value out of Byram for a forward. Most teams aren't moving a D for a D or a forward for a forward. Adams needs to be creative and move Byram to a d-needy team in a separate deal.

I think Schneider is the guy Adams should target. How do Rangers value # 9 overall? Is Samuelsson a reclamation-project worth the risk? Rangers get their pick of the best minor-league asset the Sabres have outside of Levi.

Samuelsson and 9th OA or Helenius for Schneider

 

[The don godfather]

Laf is next to go for something like what they got for kakko.

 

[Satanphonehome]

so some guy who isnt a ranger fan says something about us trading for byram and that means we want byram? no sane rangers fan would make that trade. also i sincerely doubt byram is even worth more than schneider. both are decent mildly disappointing players but Schneider is a rhd who has no issues staying healthy. rangers might consider schneider for byram+ but i’d rather just keep schneider and keep playing him at Ld than trade him for byram

Not arguing with you, just for the info of others reading this thread.

Byram and Schnieder are three months apart in age.

Byram had 38 points and was +11, 75 hits, 116 blocked shots, with a 49.3% Corsi in 82 games playing just under 23 minutes a night with the Sabres

Schneider had 21 points, +9, 146 hits, 145 blocked shots, 45.3% Corsi in 80 games playing just under 18 minutes a night with the Rangers.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Hijack

Cuylle
Rempe

For

13th
Guimond
Wallinder

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Hijack

Cuylle
Rempe

For

13th
Guimond
Wallinder

if the rangers trade cuylle i will drink from the hudson river

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

if the rangers trade cuylle i will drink from the hudson river

An advanced eating crow, I like it.