Larry Brooks: Rangers/Red Wings Trouba Talks Heating up, NYR would retain $2.5

[GoAwayPanarin]

I will be booing trouba very time I’m at the garden next season.

I don't know that he plays for the team as it sounds like he can still be waived.

This situation will be as ugly as he wants it to be and cooler heads normally prevail in these situations.

 

[bleedblue94]

Think this is a strategic leak.
Let it start to sink in to Trouba he needs to get his affairs in order, cause 1 way or another, his time here is almost done.
I’m sure he’ll hear speculation, scenarios from talking heads, calls from friends and family. But ultimately he won’t be on the team next year.
I can absolutely see him saying I’m not waiving my NMC, I need time to think/talk over with wife/fam..
Perhaps if this does go south in any way, it pulls another interested party into the fold because now everyone knows he’s publicly available.
No one ever has broken trades or even usually has any credible info of who the FO is targeting since Drury took over, the timing of this leak leads me to believe it’s purposefully done for whatever reasons….

Why are everyone convinced this came from the nyr front office? I'm just curious?

What we know:

Trouba knows
His family knows
His agent knows
The red wings know
The ranger know

There's a lot of people that knew about this so there's a lot of possibilities of where the start of this rumor came from.

Maybe someone in NYR got ahead of themselves bc of the pr piece of dealing with trading the captain and planning for that.

Maybe Detroit leaked it to see if there was actually any Legitimate other interest before they committed in case they thought they could bend NYR over any more in a deal. There has literally been no other team actually connected to NYR for a trouba team publicly at this point.

Maybe nyr leaked it on purpose bc when they met with trouba he indicated he didn't want to leave and nyr/Drury thought they could control the situation and force him to go with public pressure or figured the media machine would help usher him to accept to a place he "should" be okay going to?

There is a lot going on here...

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

If trouba nukes this trade, I hope he gets waived and has to play out his contract in calgary

 

[Gardner McKay]

If trouba nukes this trade, I hope he gets waived and has to play out his contract in calgary

That is too good for him. I hope he gets claimed by Winnipeg.

 

[jay from jersey]

Why are everyone convinced this came from the nyr front office? I'm just curious?

What we know:

Trouba knows
His family knows
His agent knows
The red wings know
The ranger know

There's a lot of people that knew about this so there's a lot of possibilities of where the start of this rumor came from.

Maybe someone in NYR got ahead of themselves bc of the pr piece of dealing with trading the captain and planning for that.

Maybe Detroit leaked it to see if there was actually any Legitimate other interest before they committed in case they thought they could bend NYR over any more in a deal. There has literally been no other team actually connected to NYR for a trouba team publicly at this point.

Maybe nyr leaked it on purpose bc when they met with trouba he indicated he didn't want to leave and nyr/Drury thought they could control the situation and force him to go with public pressure or figured the media machine would help usher him to accept to a place he "should" be okay going to?

There is a lot going on here...

Because it started with Larry. Whose always suckling near the power teet of the organization looking for them to throw him any kind of bone whatsoever.
Otherwise when he has just speculation he pulls rumors from these boards.
If it originated somewhere else, I’d have a different view

 

[Roo Returns]

I think people here are fishing. Trouba probably submitted the list, Detroit was not on it, the deal is done or close to and will be finalized official on Monday. Detroit is also working on Kane simultaneously.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Because it started with Larry. Whose always suckling near the power teet of the organization looking for them to throw him any kind of bone whatsoever.
Otherwise when he has just speculation he pulls rumors from these boards.
If it originated somewhere else, I’d have a different view

That doesn't necessarily mean that it came from the NYR FO. Agents leak shit to writers all the time.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I think people here are fishing. Trouba probably submitted the list, Detroit was not on it, the deal is done or close to and will be finalized official on Monday. Detroit is also working on Kane simultaneously.

Brother, I wish I was drinking what's in your half-full glass!

 

[jay from jersey]

That is too good for him. I hope he gets claimed by Winnipeg.

Hah. I’m sure Trouba and over hard on would rather Jake be bought out rather then traded, but it ain’t gonna happen.
I have no doubt he was waived, someone would claim him.
The RD depth in the league isn’t the most prolific.
Combine that with short term and real $$ less then cap hit, someone will take a run at him…
Plus Drury could have another Goodrow style handshake deal in place as a back up in case things go south.
Give Trouba a day to collect himself and get his affairs in order and he’ll likely see Det is the best outcome of a bad situation for him

 

[bleedblue94]

That doesn't necessarily mean that it came from the NYR FO. Agents leak shit to writers all the time.

Been bringing Kurt up all day for a reason...

 

[Boris Zubov]

Been bringing Kurt up all day for a reason...

Ugh....what a f***ing disaster. I hope they strip him of the "C" if he makes himself untradeable.

 

[bleedblue94]

Hah. I’m sure Trouba and over hard on would rather Jake be bought out rather then traded, but it ain’t gonna happen.
I have no doubt he was waived, someone would claim him.
The RD depth in the league isn’t the most prolific.
Combine that with short term and real $$ less then cap hit, someone will take a run at him…
Plus Drury could have another Goodrow style handshake deal in place as a back up in case things go south.
Give Trouba a day to collect himself and get his affairs in order and he’ll likely see Det is the best outcome of a bad situation for him

If Drury circumvents two NMC or NTC clauses in two weeks then the league or PA is getting involved. It's not as simple as people here want it to be...

 

[jay from jersey]

That doesn't necessarily mean that it came from the NYR FO. Agents leak shit to writers all the time.

Just my 2 cents….

 

[tomobson]

Don't see why Trouba would add Detroit to his no trade list. If the Rangers are willing to retain then teams will take him. He'd risk going somewhere he wouldn't want to go.

 

[Boris Zubov]

If Drury circumvents two NMC or NTC clauses in two weeks then the league or PA is getting involved. It's not as simple as people here want it to be...

But what can they do? It's not prohibited in the CBA. They can pitch a fit & bring it up during the next CBA negotiations, but I fail to see how the Rangers would face any league sanctions....even though I'm sure Bettman would love to stick it to JD.

 

[Hire Sather]

If Drury circumvents two NMC or NTC clauses in two weeks then the league or PA is getting involved. It's not as simple as people here want it to be...

You either have a full NMC or you don't.

There's no circumventing.

If Trouba is traded to or claimed by a team not on his list there no circumvention there

 

[bleedblue94]

You either have a full NMC or you don't.

There's no circumventing.

If Trouba is traded to or claimed by a team not on his list there no circumvention there

If you use waivers to circumvent a NTC then yes it is circumvention.

 

[Hire Sather]

If you use waivers to circumvent a NTC then yes it is circumvention.

How? If you want protection from waivers then you negotiate for NMC.

 

[Boris Zubov]

You either have a full NMC or you don't.

There's no circumventing.

If Trouba is traded to or claimed by a team not on his list there no circumvention there

Even if he's claimed by a team on his list, it's not circumvention. He's SOL.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

But what can they do? It's not prohibited in the CBA. They can pitch a fit & bring it up during the next CBA negotiations, but I fail to see how the Rangers would face any league sanctions....even though I'm sure Bettman would love to stick it to JD.

If there isn't anything in the CBA that prohibits it, I don't know that there is anything that they can do.

When a player is waived, it's not like another team is obligated to pick them up.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If you use waivers to circumvent a NTC then yes it is circumvention.

How is it circumvention when a no-trade clause doesn’t prohibit someone from being put on waivers? It might be a loophole but even that is a stretch. He had a no-move clause but it expires.

 

[Hire Sather]

Even if he's claimed by a team on his list, it's not circumvention. He's SOL.

Right. I don't know exactly what his contract is but the point is the only way to guarantee yourself total control over where you can move is a full NMC.

I know he doesn't have that. Therefore I don't see how it's anything that can be challenged.

 

[bleedblue94]

How? If you want protection from waivers then you negotiate for NMC.

I edited this response because looking into this more I think you are right.

"A player with a no-trade clause (NTC) cannot be traded without their consent. However, if a team wants to trade a player with an NTC, they can place the player on waivers."

 

[Boris Zubov]

Right. I don't know exactly what his contract is but the point is the only way to guarantee yourself total control over where you can move is a full NMC.

I know he doesn't have that. Therefore I don't see how it's anything that can be challenged.

Of course the NHLPA will bitch & moan, but too f***ing bad. We deal with this LTIR bullshit all the time, it's time for us to exploit the loopholes.

And that's fair to protect a player from wavier as waivers was created in its purest form, but if you are using waivers as a tool to get around a trade protection that is literally the definition of circumventing.

There were reports that the league was not happy with the Goodrow situation and issues a warning of sorts.

Goodrow is a different tier than trouba from the perspective of NHL media recognition. Different public scope. Could be very messy if NYR tries waivers to send him on a handshake to a team on his list. Could be very embarrassing for nyr as well.

Do you have a link? I didn't read or hear anything regarding this.

 

[Hire Sather]

And that's fair to protect a player from wavier as waivers was created in its purest form, but if you are using waivers as a tool to get around a trade protection that is literally the definition of circumventing.

There were reports that the league was not happy with the Goodrow situation and issues a warning of sorts.

Goodrow is a different tier than trouba from the perspective of NHL media recognition. Different public scope. Could be very messy if NYR tries waivers to send him on a handshake to a team on his list. Could be very embarrassing for nyr as well.

So were supposed to treat his NTC as a NMC then. That's essentially what we would be doing.

Maybe he should play for 4 million per year on the rest of his contract then