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Howden is a bit older and more adjusted to the NA style game. I don't know my coaching technicals and all but I would suspect there are certain things he was better at doing/meeting coaches expectations in practice and even in games that a player like Andersson wasn't.

However I start to feel that is missing the forest for all the trees. If a guy "practices right" and is doing a bunch of little things you like but is still going out there on game night and not playing an effective game, the answer is probably not to keep throwing him out there again for the season.

Back to the other hand though, Howden did start out well and that probably bought him a lot of slack. The Rangers kept hoping he'd find that beginning of the season jump and luck.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
I was also a huge fan of Kreider, Brassard and Stepan. But we digress.

I think I am not alone when saying Howden had a longer leash than others and it was painfully obvious he was punching well above his weight early on.
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You do know that I was just kidding, right?
 
I don’t think it’s that complicated. Nor do I believe the coaches don’t trust Lias. By all means it sounds like he does everything you could ask for. His attitude is tremendous.

But You look at Howden and you should see a young big strong kid that can SKATE and as a 20 year old shows you flashes of what he will be when he’s 23-27

Same for Chytil.

Lias doesn’t show you much of anything. He can’t skate at all. He doesn’t have a great release or heavy shot doesn’t have great hands doesn’t show a penchant for making plays. I like his game around the net. I always say I wish Chytil had lias’s poise down low but I mean he hasn’t shown at all as a pro that he can do what he did in junior Hockey and the pro ranks are swamped with star junior players that couldn’t make the leap.

Frankly what I’m seeing from Henriksson in TC is what I think the Rangers we’re hoping Lias was going to be for them. He had a miserable TC as we all remember.


I’m fairly certain we’ll draft another center in the first round in 2020 and it will be the right move. And as Jas said and I’ve said the more we add the further he falls behind. I think this is a make or break year for him and I do believe he’ll start it in Hartford because Jeff kept everyone
 
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Kovalev27 said:
I don’t think it’s that complicated. Nor do I believe the coaches don’t trust Lias. By all means it sounds like he does everything you could ask for. His attitude is tremendous.

But You look at Howden and you should see a young big strong kid that can SKATE and as a 20 year old shows you flashes of what he will be when he’s 23-27

Same for Chytil.

Lias doesn’t show you much of anything. He can’t skate at all. He doesn’t have a great release or heavy shot doesn’t have great hands doesn’t show a penchant for making plays. I like his game around the net. I always say I wish Chytil had lias’s poise down low but I mean he hasn’t shown at all as a pro that he can do what he did in junior Hockey and the pro ranks are swamped with star junior players that couldn’t make the leap.

Frankly what I’m seeing from Henriksson in TC is what I think the Rangers we’re hoping Lias was going to be for them. He had a miserable TC as we all remember.


I’m fairly certain we’ll draft another center in the first round in 2020 and it will be the right move. And as Jas said and I’ve said the more we add the further he falls behind. I think this is a make or break year for him and I do believe he’ll start it in Hartford because Jeff kept everyone
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Looks like the dog whistle still works :laugh:
 
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We're in a position where Lias Andersson is honestly not that important, and that's a good thing.

Lamenting that we wasted a 7th overall is missing the point. Pretend we picked Miller or Fox.
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Nah dude. It was the first 1st round pick the team had in 5 centuries. Of course it's forever important and the only thing we should consider when evaluating this team and how they draft.

:sarcasm:
 
Eh it's not "no big deal" if Andersson busts, it's still an asset "lost", but at least it doesn't ruin the Rangers or something. They still really need some good center depth and someone to step up...Andersson could be a great 3C, he could be a facilitating 2C, if he's nothing then there's more pressure on Chytil and Howden who are unproven in their own ways. Depth is important, depth from drafting is important.

It'll be a big year for Andersson to show he can force the coaches hands and secure a spot in the lineup and start producing
 
Irishguy42 said:
Nah dude. It was the first 1st round pick the team had in 5 centuries. Of course it's forever important and the only thing we should consider when evaluating this team and how they draft.

:sarcasm:
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That’s probably why it is a sore point for some people. (Well that and missing out on Pettersson.). Fortunately, Gorton and company have been able to accumulate a lot of high end prospects that the team’s success is not heavily dependent upon Andersson’s success.
 
If Lias had stayed in Sweden, everyone would probably be psyched about him right now.

I advocated for him coming over, so I'm not going to criticize that decision. I think his play has been better than what is reflected in the general narrative here. I also believe that when Howden hit a wall and Lias was toiling on the fourth line, they should have tried switching the two. No harm in giving it a shot--unless there was something else with Lias that I'm unaware of.

Which, while I'm discussing it, is totally possible. I watched him closely when he first went back down and he looked disengaged and like he was moping (I posted about this after a few games). He was not playing the same game he was at the start of the year. Of course, the whole team fell to shit, but I had some concerns with the effort I was seeing from Lias.

That said, I think he has a ton of talent, a good IQ, and that "right place, right time" sense that you can't teach. If he can put it together I think he's a mid/low-end 2C, or maybe a 2W if they move him to wing.
 
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jas said:
That’s probably why it is a sore point for some people. (Well that and missing out on Pettersson.). Fortunately, Gorton and company have been able to accumulate a lot of high end prospects that the team’s success is not heavily dependent upon Andersson’s success.
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Yes except that half the board thinks we need a top 10 pick this draft to get a 2C. The
The elephant in the room is that the Reason being is because the center we did take in the top 10 to start the rebuild isn’t any good and not many want to admit that. But I digress.
 
nyr2k2 said:
If Lias had stayed in Sweden, everyone would probably be psyched about him right now.

I advocated for him coming over, so I'm not going to criticize that decision. I think his play has been better than what is reflected in the general narrative here. I also believe that when Howden hit a wall and Lias was toiling on the fourth line, they should have tried switching the two. No harm in giving it a shot--unless there was something else with Lias that I'm unaware of.

Which, while I'm discussing it, is totally possible. I watched him closely when he first went back down and he looked disengaged and like he was moping (I posted about this after a few games). He was not playing the same game he was at the start of the year. Of course, the whole team fell to ****, but I had some concerns with the effort I was seeing from Lias.

That said, I think he has a ton of talent, a good IQ, and that "right place, right time" sense that you can't teach. If he can put it together I think he's a mid/low-end 2C, or maybe a 2W if they move him to wing.
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It feels like people are so excited by everything else going on that they’re losing some patience in other areas
 
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Yes except that half the board thinks we need a top 10 pick this draft to get a 2C. The
The elephant in the room is that the Reason being is because the center we did take in the top 10 to start the rebuild isn’t any good and not many want to admit that. But I digress.
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Well they want a center that’ll be better than Zibanejad, even if they’re not saying it like that
 
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Kovalev27 said:
Yes except that half the board thinks we need a top 10 pick this draft to get a 2C. The
The elephant in the room is that the Reason being is because the center we did take in the top 10 to start the rebuild isn’t any good and not many want to admit that. But I digress.
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you don't digress...digress means you'll stop talking about it and we all know that isn't happening...

its amazing to look at all of the 2Cs that were on the board when we took lias
 
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There’s this guy named Elias Lindholm.

He’s Swedish. He was drafted 5th overall. He’s 6’1 195. Known as a good offensive player but with good two way acumen at his draft.

Granted he started his career a bit better, with 21 points in 58 games versus just 6 in 42. He certainly got better usage, but I’ll ignore that. He had a better start.

Over the next several years he pretty much disappointed and looked like he would top out as a third line center after being drafted 5th overall. He followed 21 points up with 39, 39, 45 and 44.

And then in his sixth season he scored 78 points in 81 games.

I’m not saying Lias and Elias are necessarily good comparisons skill set wise or anything to that effect but can we just pretend to have patience? If Lias is a 35 point player this year and next and then a 45 point player by year four and he tops out as a 50-55 point player after that, it’s a quality player, especially if he’s a top PK guy as well. I doubt he’ll be a 78 point player in five years, but who could honestly say. I don’t think anyone thought Elias Lindholm was going to be either.

Let’s just try to let kids develop. Because if we treat them all the way we talk about Anderson, Kaako is going to be the only one we aren’t calling a bust by the end of the year. God, imagine Fox struggling defensively, not getting a ton of PP time and only putting up 20 points? Kravstov struggling against full time NHLers and only putting up 20 points bouncing between NY and Hartford? Neither of Hajek or Rykov cementing themselves as a third pair guy? We’ll have to rebuild the rebuild. I mean, I know Andersson is a veteran turning 21 at the beginning of the season but his accomplishments so far at age 20 are just so underwhelming. I get it.
 
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Most of 2017 draftees will have their first NA professional season in the upcoming 2019-2020 season. The problem the most associated with HFNYR board is that their judgement is skewed by the fact that it will be Lias’s third such season. All some of us (who are “in Lias’ corner”) ask is that you somewhat (not even completely) adjust your expectations for the upcoming season as if it was his first in the NHL.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Yes except that half the board thinks we need a top 10 pick this draft to get a 2C. The
The elephant in the room is that the Reason being is because the center we did take in the top 10 to start the rebuild isn’t any good and not many want to admit that. But I digress.
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Not me, I'm hoping we land a 1C and can then trade Zibanejad someday for a 1D. Andersson or Chytil slots in as the 2C long term.
 
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