Rangers Prospect Poll (Summer 2023) - #1 Prospect
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Harbour Dog
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Slight edge to Perreault over Othmann for me, but it's too close to be confident either way, and it's very difficult to draw parallels between them.
Easy Sykora add.
Easy Sykora add.
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Why are you so concerned with other people's opinions? Hahahaha.
Why do I care what they think?
Amazing Kreiderman
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EdJovanovski
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Just that Perreault is the consensus better prospect by scouts, analysts & fans alike and it's not close, I think there's an attachment Ranger fans have to Othmann
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Went Othmann and my rational is that we have also watched the player in camp and in pre-season and I think a few saw an NHLer at 19/20. Perrault has the upside of an elite offensive player, which I do not think that Othmann possesses, but what Othmann does have is the ability to mold his game to fit on a line or team. I do not know if Perrault is someone that can do that.
I do expect both to be NHLers, but the question is which player has the greater chance of impact and I think that is Othmann based on versatility and play style. He could be a 1LW or 1RW in this league while being a complete PITA to go against, or he could be more of a middle 6 type that chips in offensively (45-50 points), but does a ton of the dirty work.
Perrault can be a 1LW/1RW too, but I don't think we know enough about the player yet to know if he could be someone that flourishes in the middle of a lineup and not as one of the top guns.
Both have skating concerns, so the player that is willing to use their size or has the size gets the nod. We do this in the winter and Perrault could easily be #1 and distinctly ahead of Othmann. If this is what ends up happening, it would not shock me if Perrault is a 2 year guy in college instead of 3. I don't think it would be good for him to leave after 1 season unless he flat out dominates the NCAA.
I do expect both to be NHLers, but the question is which player has the greater chance of impact and I think that is Othmann based on versatility and play style. He could be a 1LW or 1RW in this league while being a complete PITA to go against, or he could be more of a middle 6 type that chips in offensively (45-50 points), but does a ton of the dirty work.
Perrault can be a 1LW/1RW too, but I don't think we know enough about the player yet to know if he could be someone that flourishes in the middle of a lineup and not as one of the top guns.
Both have skating concerns, so the player that is willing to use their size or has the size gets the nod. We do this in the winter and Perrault could easily be #1 and distinctly ahead of Othmann. If this is what ends up happening, it would not shock me if Perrault is a 2 year guy in college instead of 3. I don't think it would be good for him to leave after 1 season unless he flat out dominates the NCAA.
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You're the expert on attachments.
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First question, because Wheeler knows more than most of the people on this board (myself included) (not that he's infallible, but most voters in this poll don't have really any basis for their opinion), and second question, because homerism and fan favoritism absolutely comes into play, and a survey of other teams' fanbases around the league, especially those fanbases that are not necessarily antagonistic towards us, presents an unbiased view that is likely to be more free from an undue influence (such as a developed affinity for Othmann since he's "our guy").
I respect your opinion but I think Ed is right here.
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It's subjective. I think personally I'm gunshy getting too hyped up on a just drafted prospect. Seeing him play his D+1 college season will probably go a long way to reassure me.
Remember the scouts of 22 teams passed on him for what they considered "better" prospects as well...
Again I see Gabe as having a much higher ceiling... it's the likelihood that he reaches it that gives me slight pause.
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They are BOTH "our guy," so by that logic...
Maybe other teams fans arent paying much attention to Othmann or just favor their own prospects but know Perreault because this was a very hyped draft and is fresh in their minds.
In any case I just thought it was kind of funny that you seemed almost offended that some people were giving Othmann the nod.
You do realize that Perreault is also "our guy" right? He's had plenty of support on here and is the first pick outside of the top 2 that was almost universally praised since Cherepanov. OTOH I don't think I've seen a prospect get needlessly dumped on like Othmann has (I'm actually surprised hes winning this poll to this point.)
Do you really expect to get an accurate take from other fanbases who mostly don't know enough to judge players in their own system? Recency bias and stat sheet watchers will absolutely be biased (which is quite literally 98% of the HF boards community.) There are knowledgable and pretty good resources on this site who aren't a part of this board but they're few and far between.
At the end of the day, who f***ing cares? How ever this list plays out is pretty much a lock to be wrong in the long run (Kravtsov finished 2nd last year when he shouldn't have even finished in the top 5, Nils finished ahead of Miller the year before, etc.) It's entirely possible that he takes the top spot in a landslide when we do this again in the winter as most people who have chosen Othmann admit that its close.
Machinehead
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Perreault, and it's not that close for me.
People on here have Othmann hyped up like he's gonna be Matthew Tkachuk. I'd be thrilled if he was Tyler Bertuzzi.
People on here have Othmann hyped up like he's gonna be Matthew Tkachuk. I'd be thrilled if he was Tyler Bertuzzi.
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I expect to get a potentially more complete picture on how the rest of the league views a prospect. While some on here are quite well versed and I trust their opinion, and fair enough if they come to the conclusion that Othmann is better, this poll is influenced by a lot of people who just have been team Othmann since he was drafted and want him at the top for that reason and no other.
If the rest of the league is saying that our fan base is out of touch, that doesn't guarantee the rest of the league is right, but it might be worth considering.
My own opinion would be that it's Perrault and it's not close also, so alarm bells are going off on why this poll IS close.
Othmann's a nice prospect but I see him becoming like, at best, pre-2020 Kreider in terms of production.
I think Perrault can be a legit first line winger and that's way better.
Listen, I'm no scout, but find me one person who does anything like this for a living who has Othmann ahead of Perrault at this point. It's the fans on this board who are bucking convention and there is one very obvious reason they are coming to that conclusion. It's not that they all study the tape.
Lol who the hell has said this?
Pre 2020 Kreider was a 1st line winger.
Hell there were things in pre 2020 Kreider's game that I liked way more than post 2020 Kreider.
Machinehead
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I've heard the name "Tkachuk" thrown about in regards to him many times.
Until I see him in the NHL, I'm still judging him as a prospect. Perreault is a better prospect with a higher ceiling headed into the draft.
Never forget that Lafreniere was better in the CHL at 17 than Othmann was at 19. You don't know the NHL player you have until they play in the NHL.
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He scored anywhere from 37-53 points from ages 24 to 28.
If that's my first line winger's output there is something wrong.
I think Perrault can be a 60-70 point guy in those years.
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You talking about pre-gallant?
It’s amazing how much worse players were 5v5 but it was covered with a top PP and Igor.
Machinehead
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He missed a lot of games being hurt, not to mention all the time he spent playing hurt. He also didn't really play first line minutes until 18-19 because AV has a smooth head.
The underlying numbers have always been there. The difference in production is from playing more and hitting a bit less, so he stays on the ice.
I think in terms of being someone who has some ability and plays like a prick but theres never been a 1 to 1 comparison as far as I know, or at least there shouldn't have been.
Othmann scored 50 as a D+1 prospect on a team that wasn't very good. Thats pretty rare too and it wasn't something that just happened out of thin air. If he made the team tomorrow he would automatically have the 2nd best shot on the roster. There is value in that along with all of the stuff and things and bite.
If this were a conversation about who has the highest ceiling in the system I'd be right there with you. I don't understand why Othmann gets as much hate as he does and I don't think it's wise to ignore the things Perreault has to do in the coming years either. Doesn't mean that he won't do them but the fact is that they HAVE to happen.
Pre-Quinn.
Dude used to be a monster along the walls and was basically a zone safety valve because someone would just loft a puck out of the zone and he'd win the race, hold onto the puck and wait for everyone else to catch up.
He rarely attempts to seal a wall anymore. Outside of Panarin no one half asses attempts at this more than he does (and then every odd game he'll do it 5 times in a single shift and it'll piss me off.)
Machinehead
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Well, if you're wondering why Othmann seems to get a lot of scrutiny, it's probably because he's spent a few years now as a New York Rangers prospect and that's like being a fern in the Sahara.
But he's spent a decent time of his dev time outside of the organization - those guys tend to turn out okay.
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