Rangers Prospect Poll - Othmann vs Kravtsov for #1 (VOTE NOW IF YOU HAVENT, VERY CLOSE!)

[The Crypto Guy]

My apologies, Kravtsov WAS still eligible for the prospect list as he did not play enough NHL games yet to graduate. I added an "other" option for the few who would prefer to click that.

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[bhamill]

went Othmann. Not a knock on Krav, I just think Othmann will bring more to the team when all is said and done.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Truthfully, this is giving me more difficulty than it probably should

I'm going back and forth between the two.

 

[huerter]

Garand. Trade the rest.

 

[Ruggs225]

Went Krav. Already in the NhL and has a higher ceiling.

But Othman i think has the higher floor.

Really close.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kravtsov AINEC

Way higher ceiling, more skilled & the better skater; and has played well in higher level leagues than Othmann. The question marks on him were his play away from the puck but this season he's in the 91st percentile in the NHL defensively. His defensive metrics this season are better than any Rangers forward except Vesey, and any Rangers dman except Fox & Lindgren. His offensive metrics this season are better than Kakko, Lafreniere, Trocheck, Goodrow, etc.

 

[bhamill]

Kravtsov AINEC

Way higher ceiling, more skilled & the better skater; and has played well in higher level leagues than Othmann. The question marks on him were his play away from the puck but this season he's in the 91st percentile in the NHL defensively. His defensive metrics this season are better than any Rangers forward except Vesey, and any Rangers dman except Fox & Lindgren. His offensive metrics this season are better than Kakko, Lafreniere, Trocheck, Goodrow, etc.

This post gets the "Least Surprising Post of the Double Decade" award! ahahaha.

 

[kovazub94]

Went Krav. Already in the NhL and has a higher ceiling.

But Othman i think has the higher floor.

Really close.

Summer of 2021 wants this quote back

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

is Krav really still a prospect?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

is Krav really still a prospect?

Indeed. Only played 42 NHL games, criteria is 65 games. We've had players even closer to that 65 games on the list.

 

[cwede]

thanks for being thorough but it woulda been fine as it was, Krav really in that more proven group w 4, 79, 24 and 13

 

[UnSandvich]

Voted Othmann largely bc at this point I don’t view Krav as a prospect anymore. He’s an NHLer, it’s just a matter of who with

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Poll has been run the same exact way for a decade+. The criteria has always been set in stone. Once in a blue moon we allow a player on the list who played over 65 games or over the age but that's it. We've never removed a player who is eligible and we aren't removing Krav. Just ignore him in the listings if you want.

 

[Savant]

Need to go for the one already in the NHL

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Oh this is close.....

 

[Mac n Gs]

I like Othmann, but Krav has the better raw skill package and overall potential, even factoring in the age gap. I think we're really setting ourselves up for disappointing by misplacing expectations for what Othmann might be at the NHL level. He still needs to work on his skating and all-around engagement in the play. His biggest asset is his shot, and he's going to need to play fast if he wants to translate that to the NHL. It might take him a year or two to really get his footing before he's remotely ready for an expanded NHL role

 

[nyr2k2]

Went Krav. Already in the NhL and has a higher ceiling.

But Othman i think has the higher floor.

Really close.

I actually feel the opposite.

For a couple years now I have said I think Kravtsov's realistic upside is a 35-45 point guy who is responsible defensively. That emerging defensive game, which you could see back in his last KHL stint, is what gives him a higher floor, for me. Even if he becomes no better than he is today, he should definitely be able to hang around in someone's bottom-six for several years.

Othmann I think has legitimate 30+ goal potential, but I also think his floor is...not in the NHL. He totally strikes me as the type of guy who could just not adapt to the professional tempo, float around trying to snipe shots that never materialize because he won't play off the puck, and he ends up having a mediocre AHL career before going to Europe where he becomes a star. I don't think that's what will happen, but it definitely seems realistic to me, in terms of a negative outcome.

I think the negative outcome with Kravtsov has already been established as being an NHL player.

 

[nyr2k2]

Also, for those curious, this is the HF criteria that has been used for at least 15 years. Back when HF was an actual website and this was just the message board component. I know not everyone loves the criteria, but unless we collectively agree on new criteria (which seems unlikely with this group, LOL), it's easier to just use what we've always used.

A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

• If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
• An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to the criteria above.
• European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

 

[Ruggs225]

I actually feel the opposite.

For a couple years now I have said I think Kravtsov's realistic upside is a 35-45 point guy who is responsible defensively. That emerging defensive game, which you could see back in his last KHL stint, is what gives him a higher floor, for me. Even if he becomes no better than he is today, he should definitely be able to hang around in someone's bottom-six for several years.

Othmann I think has legitimate 30+ goal potential, but I also think his floor is...not in the NHL. He totally strikes me as the type of guy who could just not adapt to the professional tempo, float around trying to snipe shots that never materialize because he won't play off the puck, and he ends up having a mediocre AHL career before going to Europe where he becomes a star. I don't think that's what will happen, but it definitely seems realistic to me, in terms of a negative outcome.

I think the negative outcome with Kravtsov has already been established as being an NHL player.

Interesting take. And i do recall u saying that about Krav. He just has so much raw skill its tantalizing though.

Thank you.

 

[bbny]

@EdJovanovski maintaining his list based on this poll

 

[kovazub94]

I actually feel the opposite.

For a couple years now I have said I think Kravtsov's realistic upside is a 35-45 point guy who is responsible defensively. That emerging defensive game, which you could see back in his last KHL stint, is what gives him a higher floor, for me. Even if he becomes no better than he is today, he should definitely be able to hang around in someone's bottom-six for several years.

Othmann I think has legitimate 30+ goal potential, but I also think his floor is...not in the NHL. He totally strikes me as the type of guy who could just not adapt to the professional tempo, float around trying to snipe shots that never materialize because he won't play off the puck, and he ends up having a mediocre AHL career before going to Europe where he becomes a star. I don't think that's what will happen, but it definitely seems realistic to me, in terms of a negative outcome.

I think the negative outcome with Kravtsov has already been established as being an NHL player.

Exactly how I was thinking about it. At this point it's actually Kravtsov with the higher floor while Othmann would be higher ceiling (age difference definitely contributing).

 

[duhmetreE]

not going to lie...

In my mind simulation, Othmann would have more than 2 goals by now... and more than 4 goals in 42 games

 

[Ruggs225]

not going to lie...

In my mind simulation, Othmann would have more than 2 goals by now... and more than 4 goals in 42 games

In my mind simulation Kakko has 35 pts and Laf has 40.

Also gallant was fired and carrie underwood leaves fischer for me.

Sadly, nine of this is happening.

 

[duhmetreE]

In my mind simulation Kakko has 35 pts and Laf has 40.

Also gallant was fired and carrie underwood leaves fischer for me.

Sadly, nine of this is happening.

yeah but I'm talking about my mind not yours

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Kravtsov AINEC

Way higher ceiling, more skilled & the better skater; and has played well in higher level leagues than Othmann. The question marks on him were his play away from the puck but this season he's in the 91st percentile in the NHL defensively. His defensive metrics this season are better than any Rangers forward except Vesey, and any Rangers dman except Fox & Lindgren. His offensive metrics this season are better than Kakko, Lafreniere, Trocheck, Goodrow, etc.

Quel surprise!!!