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Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Poll: #11

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Vesey Season said:
A .002 advantage in Sv% is hardly "better stats" when Huska plays on a team that likely gave up many more high danger chances.
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While this might be accurate, Wall is 4th in votes as of now. He shouldn't be lagging this much behind Huska. He should either be one slot behind or the next player voted on. Can't understand the rationale behind not having them ranked similarly.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
While this might be accurate, Wall is 4th in votes as of now. He shouldn't be lagging this much behind Huska. He should either be one slot behind or the next player voted on. Can't understand the rationale behind not having them ranked similarly.
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I agree. Wall should be ranked similarly to Huska. True his team is better, but he is a year younger, which makes a big difference at this age.
 
Gropp, very pleasantly intrigued by what he showed in the second half of the season. Even coming off an injury he put up decent numbers in the play-offs too.

Add Kovacs
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
While this might be accurate, Wall is 4th in votes as of now. He shouldn't be lagging this much behind Huska. He should either be one slot behind or the next player voted on. Can't understand the rationale behind not having them ranked similarly.
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Huska has the international credentials, and was USHL goalie of the year before entering college.

I saw Wall a a couple games at the end of the year and wasn't blown away. I'll be the first to admit all goaltending stats in the NCAA are not created equal.

Guy that just left SLU Kyle Hayton is a great goalie, better numbers than Cam Talbot, but will likely be an AHLer at best. A lot goes into the numbers.

The good news at least is that both these guys have good size, which sincerely increases their chances of translating NCAA goalie success.
 
Zborovskiy is doing well because he had a better season than anyone left on the list. Had a better season than many players who were voted higher.

Its not surprising, unless you believe that since he's big, he's some plug who will have a low corsi score in the NHL. People here hated McIlrath for the same reasons until they found out how he would do with the advanced stats. Then they loved him, although his play wasn't actually very good.

This shows just how much some people discriminate against big players.
 
Please I "discriminated" against him because he wasn't that good whenever I watched him. Not because he's hurr durr ......big.

People liked McIrath because he played excellent with Yandle for a good stretch of games.
 
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What's shocking to me is the undying support for Kovacs. He had 2 goals in 72 games for the Pack last season. 2 goals! I think he might be in over his head and have to settle for a career in Sweden.
 
I don't think his season individually was better then the other players on this list, his numbers are heavily inflated from playing a huge role on the best team in the CHL.

Don't get me wrong, he had a good season, especially his fall was really good, but he wasn't the one driving it.

I also don't see his game translate very well, i really hope i'm wrong about this though.
I think his skating is meh and his decision making with the puck is slow, definitely things he can improve on though, hope he does.

I don't mind big D-men at all, he's got good positioning and he's using his reach very well. But there are flaws.

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Revel said:
What's shocking to me is the undying support for Kovacs. He had 2 goals in 72 games for the Pack last season. 2 goals! I think he might be in over his head and have to settle for a career in Sweden.
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I see your point, but context is needed.

He was one of the youngest players in the AHL, on one of the true bottom feeder teams, playing 10 min a night in a very limited bottom-6 role with almost no PP time.
He also had the worst coach in the league who only plays pure dump and chase, especially for the bottom-6, he wasn't allowed a chance to play actual hockey.

Did he do the best out of a ****** situation? No, he definitely could have and should have played better himself, but yeah, context.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Zborovskiy is doing well because he had a better season than anyone left on the list. Had a better season than many players who were voted higher.

Its not surprising, unless you believe that since he's big, he's some plug who will have a low corsi score in the NHL. People here hated McIlrath for the same reasons until they found out how he would do with the advanced stats. Then they loved him, although his play wasn't actually very good.

This shows just how much some people discriminate against big players.
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Ryan Graves is bigger and seems to be getting his fair share of love. Same with Bereglazov. Come up with something better.
 
Sean Day is big, i love Sean Day... Skating is the big thing here...

I think Zborovskiy is a worse skater then Ryan Graves and skating is what's holding Graves back a bit in the AHL imo.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
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I see your point, but context is needed.

He was one of the youngest players in the AHL, on one of the true bottom feeder teams, playing 10 min a night in a very limited bottom-6 role with almost no PP time.
He also had the worst coach in the league who only plays pure dump and chase, especially for the bottom-6, he wasn't allowed a chance to play actual hockey.

Did he do the best out of a ****** situation? No, he definitely could have and should have played better himself, but yeah, context.
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The guy will be 21 in a few months. He's not the complete and utter baby everyone is making him out to be.
 
You know, lost somewhere in this conversation is a guy like Jensen. He might very well have have a better chance of being a long-time bottom six player in the NHL than a guy like Nieves.
 
Revel said:
The guy will be 21 in a few months. He's not the complete and utter baby everyone is making him out to be.
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I never once said he was a baby, it's facts thought that he was one of the youngest regular players in the AHL and he transitioned from a top-6 skill role in Sweden on a big ice surface to a dump and chase grit role in the AHL under a bad coach for 10 min a game.

Context is always needed.

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You know, lost somewhere in this conversation is a guy like Jensen. He might very well have have a better chance of being a long-time bottom six player in the NHL than a guy like Nieves.
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I agree, i have Jensen higher then Boo. Jensen is imo an NHL calibre player already, he also has some scoring upside that i don't see in Boo.
 
TheRightWay said:
Ryan Graves is bigger and seems to be getting his fair share of love. Same with Bereglazov. Come up with something better.
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You aren't accounting for relativity, at all, which I'm sure you are doing on purpose.

There are five players above Bereglazov. He is coming off a season where he was one of the best defensemen in the second best league in the world. He's without question a top 4 player on that list currently, maybe top 3, yet he came in 6th because people account for their own definitions of potential. Obviously he isn't getting as much love as you want to claim to make your flawed point.

How is Graves getting so much love when he was 7th? Had to eak out a win over Sean Day who OHL watchers claimed was the 4th best defensemen on his team. Graves has had two good AHL seasons, probably been the only legit prospect on our AHL team the last two seasons, he was NHL ready towards the end of last season. Recently, people have started to claim that Graves skating is a problem, which is laughable, if you watch him play. Soon I'm sure we'll hear that his puck moving and offense is a problem because "hurr durr big defenseman, must be a plug"
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I never once said he was a baby, it's facts thought that he was one of the youngest regular players in the AHL and he transitioned from a top-6 skill role in Sweden on a big ice surface to a dump and chase grit role in the AHL under a bad coach for 10 min a game.

Context is always needed.
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By "baby" I mean to imply that people are using his lack of age as an excuse for inadequate play...which you have done (and most people do). I do understand your points, but Kovacs was known in Sweden for agitation, soft hands, and great individual efforts. Last season, he wasn't able to get under anyone's skin, was unable to separate himself for any of the breakaway goals he's known for, and basically just didn't finish anything he had a chance to finish. I think an offensive 20 year old with NHL aspirations should be able to capitalize more than twice over the course of 72 games.

I will say that at certain times I watched him, he looked pretty darn good. He was finding open men and making creative passes that were fumbled by incompetent teammates...so I do see some hope. Maybe next season, linked with better linemates, he'll improve dramatically; but based on last season, I can't see why he's been getting so many votes for several rounds now in our poll here.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
You aren't accounting for relativity, at all, which I'm sure you are doing on purpose.

There are five players above Bereglazov. He is coming off a season where he was one of the best defensemen in the second best league in the world. He's without question a top 4 player on that list currently, maybe top 3, yet he came in 6th because people account for their own definitions of potential. Obviously he isn't getting as much love as you want to claim to make your flawed point.

How is Graves getting so much love when he was 7th? Had to eak out a win over Sean Day who OHL watchers claimed was the 4th best defensemen on his team. Graves has had two good AHL seasons, probably been the only legit prospect on our AHL team the last two seasons, he was NHL ready towards the end of last season. Recently, people have started to claim that Graves skating is a problem, which is laughable, if you watch him play. Soon I'm sure we'll hear that his puck moving and offense is a problem because "hurr durr big defenseman, must be a plug"
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So just to be clear here, your stance is that Bereglazov is an inarguably better prospect than Shestyorkin, DeAngelo, and two first-round picks? Is this what you're claiming?
 
I watch plenty of Hartford and yes, Graves biggest weakness is his skating, the technical aspect of it. He moves just fine in a straight line, but lateral movement is a work in progress.
 
Revel said:
By "baby" I mean to imply that people are using his lack of age as an excuse for inadequate play...which you have done (and most people do). I do understand your points, but Kovacs was known in Sweden for agitation, soft hands, and great individual efforts. Last season, he wasn't able to get under anyone's skin, was unable to separate himself for any of the breakaway goals he's known for, and basically just didn't finish anything he had a chance to finish. I think an offensive 20 year old with NHL aspirations should be able to capitalize more than twice over the course of 72 games.

I will say that at certain times I watched him, he looked pretty darn good. He was finding open men and making creative passes that were fumbled by incompetent teammates...so I do see some hope. Maybe next season, linked with better linemates, he'll improve dramatically; but based on last season, I can't see why he's been getting so many votes for several rounds now in our poll here.
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I don't think our opinion differs too much, i don't mean to say he had a good season or anything, just saying that context is needed before trashing his play.

He was bad, but he was also put in a position to fail by his coach.
Maybe he still fails even if put in a position to succeed, but we'll never know.

Hopefully this season is better but with what has happened this summer i doubt it, my guess is he's loaned back home to Sweden.
 
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