Rangers Prospect List (SUMMER 2021) - #1

[Rangerboy030]

Adam Fox graduated Magna Cum Laude

He went for his undergrad degree and came out with a doctorate.

 

[nyr2k2]

In defense of @cwede, he has voice his displeasure with the process for a while now, and has always offered alternative means by which the voting could be done. He doesn't just come in here to bitch and moan.

And then with respect to people who say they don't think a particular player should be eligible, that's always been a thing. I mean we use a standard criteria for prospect status just to be consistent. Even when people have had the opportunity to vote on whether certain ineligible guys should be eligible, I think in every situation the result ended up being to just stick with whatever the HF criteria determined for a player.

But in the end, everyone uses their own criteria regardless. There's no way around that and honestly I don't think you should try to legislate that. Some people want to vote for guys based on upside, some people based more on likelihood of making the NHL, some factor in organisational need, whatever. @Bacon used to try to tell people how they should determine a player's value and also broke things down into arbitrary tiers based on his own methods without input from the board. I think it all works best when people can do it how they want and interpret it how they want.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lafreniere based off of the list here.

Add Barron.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

To the best of my knowledge, this is who we have left: kids that are eligible but not on the poll yet. This is also using HF's criteria so if anyone has an issue with it, contact HF--which is no longer a functional entity beyond these boards. Seriously, though, if you think anyone here does not qualify based of HF's criteria, please speak up so we can take a closer look.

Aaltonen, Levi	W	L	01/24/01	5'9"	168	KooKoo/Liiga	Drafted R5 #130 2019
Barron, Morgan	C/LW	L	12/02/98	6'4"	220		Drafted R6 #174 2017
Berard, Brett	LW	L	09/09/02	5'9"	165	Providence Friars/HEA	Drafted R5 #134 2020
Boyko, Talyn	G	L	10/16/02	6'7"	196	Tri-City Americans/WHL	Drafted R4 #112 2021
Chmelar, Jaroslav	RW	R	07/20/03	6'4"	198		Drafted R5 #144 2021
Ciccolini, Eric	F	R	01/14/01	6'0"	170	Michigan Wolverines/B10	Drafted R7 #205 2019
Cuylle, Will	LW	L	02/05/02	6'3"	204		Drafted R2 #60 2020
Edström, Adam	F	L	10/12/00	6'8"	225	Rögle BK/SHL	Drafted R6 #161 2019
Elmer, Jake	RW	R	12/31/98	6'1"	190		Signed as UDFA 2019
Garand, Dylan	G	L	06/07/02	6'1"	172	Kamloops Blazers/WHL	Drafted R4 #103 2020
Gauthier, Julien	RW	R	10/15/97	6'4"	227		Trade with CAR 2020
Gettinger, Tim	LW	L	04/14/98	6'6"	218		Drafted R5 #141 2016
Grubbe, Jayden	C	R	01/12/03	6'3"	200	Red Deer Rebels/WHL	Drafted R3 #65 2021
Henriksson, Karl	C/LW	L	02/05/01	5'9"	174	Frölunda HC/SHL	Drafted R2 #58 2019
Hughes, Riley	W	R	06/27/00	6'2"	195	Northeastern Huskies/HEA	Drafted R7 #216 2018
Húska, Adam	G	L	05/12/97	6'4"	218		Drafted R7 #184 2015
Kempf, Hank	D	L	04/15/02	6'2"	190	Cornell Big Red/ECAC	Drafted R7 #208 2021
Khodorenko, Patrick	C	L	10/13/98	6'0"	198		Signed as UDFA 2020
Kjellberg, Simon	D	L	02/17/00	6'3"	190	RPI Engineers/ECAC	Drafted R6 #163 2018
Korczak, Ryder	C	R	09/23/02	5'11"	174	Moose Jaw Warriors/WHL	Drafted R3 #75 2021
Lamb, Brody	RW	R	08/30/03	6'1"	165	Green Bay Gamblers/USHL	Drafted R4 #104 2021
Lindbom, Olof	G	L	07/23/00	6'2"	183	Kristianstads IK/Allsvenskan	Drafted R2 #39 2018
Newell, Patrick	F	L	01/18/96	5'10"	170		Signed as UDFA 2019
Ollas, Hugo	G	L	04/24/02	6'8"	238	Merrimack Warriors/HEA	Drafted R7 #197 2020
Pajuniemi, Lauri	RW	R	09/12/99	5'11"	183		Drafted R5 #132 2018
Ragnarsson, Jacob	D	L	09/23/99	6'0"	176	Almtuna IS/Allsvenskan	Drafted R3 #70 2018
Rempe, Matthew	C	L	06/29/02	6'8"	240	Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL	Drafted R6 #165 2020
Reunanen, Tarmo	D	L	03/01/98	6'0"	185		Drafted R4 #98 2016
Richards, Justin	C	R	03/17/98	5'10"	188		Signed as UDFA 2020
Robertson, Matthew	D	L	03/09/01	6'4"	210		Drafted R2 #49 2019
Ronning, Ty	RW	R	10/20/97	5'9"	178		Drafted R7 #201 2016
Rueschhoff, Austin	C/RW	R	09/07/97	6'7"	230		Signed as UDFA 2020
Skinner, Hunter	D	R	04/29/01	6'2"	187		Drafted R4 #112 2019
Tärnström, Oliver	C/LW	L	08/30/02	6'0"	159	Rögle BK J20/J20 Nationell	Drafted R3 #92 2020
Väisänen, Kalle	LW	R	01/28/03	6'4"	178	HC TPS/Liiga	Drafted R4 #106 2021
Vierling, Evan	C	L	06/20/02	6'0"	167	Barrie Colts/OHL	Drafted R5 #127 2020
Wall, Tyler	G	L	01/14/98	6'3"	214		Drafted R6 #174 2016

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Thank you as always for making this! I’ll add it to the next poll

 

[bmoak]

Laf (Duh). Add Robertson. Is Gauthier still eligible by HF criteria?

 

[cwede]

We can't very well do "weighted choice," so in the realm of "close enough for punk," simple majority works.

If you think our group's choice as 6th prospect is stupid, then it would be an accurate representation that you think our group is stupid. =P

Stupid is your word Mr Kendo, not mine. I don't believe I have ever used it here, the many years
My comments are not meant to be about me, but just that this process we use, IMHO, reports results which don't really represent the thinking of the greater group.
In my example, the guy chosen 6th does not represent the group's ranking, not even a majority, not a 1/3. That's why I mention there could be a better way

Anyway, not trying to annoy anyone. Apologies.

 

[Machinehead]

This isn't compulsory right? Surely if you don't like the format/criteria you just don't contribute...

No, it's compulsory.

Me and @Raspewtin will come to your house and blow kazoos all day until you answer the poll.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Lol picked Schneider. Read it too quick. Didn’t see laffy. Don’t know how he’s still a prospect. But I would have picked him.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Add Robertson.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Laf (Duh). Add Robertson. Is Gauthier still eligible by HF criteria?

Yup, Gauthier is eligible.

 

[bernmeister]

Given criteria that LaF is a prospect,
I voted LaF also

if LaF were not technically then it would be Nils L narrowly over that guy we should try at pivot, Kravtsov
Add Robertson

 

[Kendo]

Stupid is your word Mr Kendo, not mine. I don't believe I have ever used it here, the many years
My comments are not meant to be about me, but just that this process we use, IMHO, reports results which don't really represent the thinking of the greater group.
In my example, the guy chosen 6th does not represent the group's ranking, not even a majority, not a 1/3. That's why I mention there could be a better way

Anyway, not trying to annoy anyone. Apologies.

Nah, man. It's all good. I was just being playful.

I prefer to include the contrary votes, btw. Sometimes it's reactionary nonsense like "I read this thing somewhere that said blank," and sometimes it's a few people that have watched many games of said prospect and not just clips. However the vote turns out encapsulates that point in time whether it's ultimately accurate or not.

Btw, please keep participating, Mr. Cwede. You're not annoying.

 

[egelband]

Lafreniere. Add Robertson

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Vitali Kravtsov

I kind of hope Drury trades him just to see your reaction.

 

[Savant]

Laf. Add Robertson

This

 

[Savant]

Given criteria that LaF is a prospect,
I voted LaF also

if LaF were not technically then it would be Nils L narrowly over that guy we should try at pivot, Kravtsov
Add Robertson

No problem using criteria here. The “controversial” picks will be off the board for winger ranking and we can reset the board then. Not reason to be difficult about it.

Vote Lafreniere and get onto the next one. It’ll be more interesting.

 

[bernmeister]

No problem using criteria here. The “controversial” picks will be off the board for winger ranking and we can reset the board then. Not reason to be difficult about it.

Vote Lafreniere and get onto the next one. It’ll be more interesting.

not being difficult, just explaining my view
not criticizing

 

[EpicDing]

Add Robertson

 

[chosen]

Laf
Lundqvist
Kravtsov
Jones

 

[Savant]

not being difficult, just explaining my view
not criticizing

Oh that wasn’t directed at you Bern. We are cool. I agree with you. Was speaking generally

 

[BPD]

Pretty sure this is "Lafreniere and wrong answers" territory at this point.

Add Robertson.

 

[nyr2k2]

Not that anyone was voting for him at this point but Newell was not qualified so he's gone.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

To the best of my knowledge, this is who we have left: kids that are eligible but not on the poll yet. This is also using HF's criteria so if anyone has an issue with it, contact HF--which is no longer a functional entity beyond these boards. Seriously, though, if you think anyone here does not qualify based of HF's criteria, please speak up so we can take a closer look.

Aaltonen, Levi	W	L	01/24/01	5'9"	168	KooKoo/Liiga	Drafted R5 #130 2019
Barron, Morgan	C/LW	L	12/02/98	6'4"	220		Drafted R6 #174 2017
Berard, Brett	LW	L	09/09/02	5'9"	165	Providence Friars/HEA	Drafted R5 #134 2020
Boyko, Talyn	G	L	10/16/02	6'7"	196	Tri-City Americans/WHL	Drafted R4 #112 2021
Chmelar, Jaroslav	RW	R	07/20/03	6'4"	198		Drafted R5 #144 2021
Ciccolini, Eric	F	R	01/14/01	6'0"	170	Michigan Wolverines/B10	Drafted R7 #205 2019
Cuylle, Will	LW	L	02/05/02	6'3"	204		Drafted R2 #60 2020
Edström, Adam	F	L	10/12/00	6'8"	225	Rögle BK/SHL	Drafted R6 #161 2019
Elmer, Jake	RW	R	12/31/98	6'1"	190		Signed as UDFA 2019
Garand, Dylan	G	L	06/07/02	6'1"	172	Kamloops Blazers/WHL	Drafted R4 #103 2020
Gauthier, Julien	RW	R	10/15/97	6'4"	227		Trade with CAR 2020
Gettinger, Tim	LW	L	04/14/98	6'6"	218		Drafted R5 #141 2016
Grubbe, Jayden	C	R	01/12/03	6'3"	200	Red Deer Rebels/WHL	Drafted R3 #65 2021
Henriksson, Karl	C/LW	L	02/05/01	5'9"	174	Frölunda HC/SHL	Drafted R2 #58 2019
Hughes, Riley	W	R	06/27/00	6'2"	195	Northeastern Huskies/HEA	Drafted R7 #216 2018
Húska, Adam	G	L	05/12/97	6'4"	218		Drafted R7 #184 2015
Kempf, Hank	D	L	04/15/02	6'2"	190	Cornell Big Red/ECAC	Drafted R7 #208 2021
Khodorenko, Patrick	C	L	10/13/98	6'0"	198		Signed as UDFA 2020
Kjellberg, Simon	D	L	02/17/00	6'3"	190	RPI Engineers/ECAC	Drafted R6 #163 2018
Korczak, Ryder	C	R	09/23/02	5'11"	174	Moose Jaw Warriors/WHL	Drafted R3 #75 2021
Lamb, Brody	RW	R	08/30/03	6'1"	165	Green Bay Gamblers/USHL	Drafted R4 #104 2021
Lindbom, Olof	G	L	07/23/00	6'2"	183	Kristianstads IK/Allsvenskan	Drafted R2 #39 2018
Newell, Patrick	F	L	01/18/96	5'10"	170		Signed as UDFA 2019
Ollas, Hugo	G	L	04/24/02	6'8"	238	Merrimack Warriors/HEA	Drafted R7 #197 2020
Pajuniemi, Lauri	RW	R	09/12/99	5'11"	183		Drafted R5 #132 2018
Ragnarsson, Jacob	D	L	09/23/99	6'0"	176	Almtuna IS/Allsvenskan	Drafted R3 #70 2018
Rempe, Matthew	C	L	06/29/02	6'8"	240	Seattle Thunderbirds/WHL	Drafted R6 #165 2020
Reunanen, Tarmo	D	L	03/01/98	6'0"	185		Drafted R4 #98 2016
Richards, Justin	C	R	03/17/98	5'10"	188		Signed as UDFA 2020
Robertson, Matthew	D	L	03/09/01	6'4"	210		Drafted R2 #49 2019
Ronning, Ty	RW	R	10/20/97	5'9"	178		Drafted R7 #201 2016
Rueschhoff, Austin	C/RW	R	09/07/97	6'7"	230		Signed as UDFA 2020
Skinner, Hunter	D	R	04/29/01	6'2"	187		Drafted R4 #112 2019
Tärnström, Oliver	C/LW	L	08/30/02	6'0"	159	Rögle BK J20/J20 Nationell	Drafted R3 #92 2020
Väisänen, Kalle	LW	R	01/28/03	6'4"	178	HC TPS/Liiga	Drafted R4 #106 2021
Vierling, Evan	C	L	06/20/02	6'0"	167	Barrie Colts/OHL	Drafted R5 #127 2020
Wall, Tyler	G	L	01/14/98	6'3"	214		Drafted R6 #174 2016

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Maybe Aaltonen’s team, KooKoo, can sign ADA?

 

[RangersFan1994]

how is Laf considered a prospect? he played a full season all 56 games. so he should not be considered a rookie as of now especially going into next season. he should not be on this list.

 

[nyr2k2]

how is Laf considered a prospect? he played a full season all 56 games. so he should not be considered a rookie as of now especially going into next season. he should not be on this list.

The criteria is linked to in the first post. Here it is:

A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:
If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to the criteria above.

European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

There's more language that allows for including/excluding people as circumstances warrant. Sometimes we vote on whether to do that and it always ends up that we stick with the above criteria. Posters can of course use their own criteria and not vote for people they don't think should qualify, but for the purposes of the poll it's important to have a standard definition. And since we've been using this definition for like 20 years, we still just roll with it.