Man, I haven’t banned someone in a while… but if this is truly your fault… @will1066 what’d ya think?
Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Oilers - Sather's revenge
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Man, I haven’t banned someone in a while… but if this is truly your fault… @will1066 what’d ya think?
Except we've seen this exact story line several years in a row. They've fixed nothing. Who cares if they fizzle out in yet another ECF.
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Gordon Bombay
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I felt that way forever until they finally tricked me last year. As others have said, these guys do not get another coach.
I mean, we are living the Lundqvist era again to the T. And I know you guys were all mostly right here on HF for that because I was too, I just lost my login at some point. Like, we all know how this goes. Why are we pretending it’s different this time? It’s exactly the same. It’s like the opening scene of 22 Jump Street when the police chief is breaking the 4th wall and telling the audience it’s exactly like last time.
Machinehead
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To offer a counterpoint, the generational failure being a result of just not being very good really tracks.
Kreider and Zibanejad are going to be at the top of the franchise's all-time leaderboard in multiple categories.
If he played for Pittsburgh, Kreider would have trouble cracking the top 4 in goals scored.
They hitched their wagon to another B+ group of core players.
It's 2024. What teams are riding buses and getting dressed on wood benches?
Maliks PlusMinus
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Well, for much of the Lundqvist era we had a lot of gritty hard working forwards. We cycled the puck a lot and had so many forwards who gave absolutely everything every night. Even the bad ones.
This team has more skill and talent by far than a lot of the King’s teams.
It amounts to the same thing in terms of netminding reliance a lot, but these guys can make me more angry just cos I felt those other guys were playing at their peak
That’s somewhat true, sure. Largely it was just Callahan and Dubinsky and Girardi. Nash was a massive under performer aside from a couple years, just like Zib. Gaborik was a less effective Panarin. Richards. Gomez. Brassard had his flash in the pan. Guys like Step and Zucc worked hard but it wasn’t really all that different. Callahan and Dubinsky were true heart and soul types that affected the rest of the team. I don’t entirely disagree… not by a long shot. But it’s like saying the walls were a different color back then. The house was still the same. Panarin is probably the first offensive stud to ever come here and genuinely be a stud. Otherwise, it’s very much the same. Offensive players under achieving, team doesn’t have a backbone and we rely on the best goalie in the league. We may have played harder back then but I specifically remember outrage over how this team wouldn’t stand up for each other and guys like Girardi just gently escorted guys like Carcillo from our crease when they ran over Hank.
Maliks PlusMinus
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This is very true we were weak in front of the net far too often. Klein was good for that, but most of the D through those years were lacking in physicality in front.
On the flip side we have Norris Fox, Vezina Shesterkin and Hartemi candidate Panarin. If we’re gonna say talent is the issue, I’ve seen teams do more with less. 1OA Laf earned himself a fat extension. Kreider hit 50 goals.
Machinehead
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There's five guys on Florida who would be our best forward besides Panarin. Talent is an issue. Having a couple of token really good players doesn't change that.
Jaromir Jagr
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Agree with everything you said. But I will say the one major difference is that we are living in an era of even worse league-wide parity driven by over zealous expansion & a still relatively strict salary cap compared to other leagues. Shit teams will win far more frequently than in the past.
Machinehead
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That really only applies to Panarin in the playoffs.
Kreider was always limited and people were saying "don't sign Zibanejad to a massive contract" years ago.
They're not that good. They're just not that good.
Hyperbole. Barkov, Tkachuk and Reinhart.
Bennett and Verhaege are not “better” than Kreider, Zib, Trochek, Laf. Maybe over a 20 game sample size this year, but up to this day, in their careers? You’d have a very tough time arguing that case. They also don’t have a Fox.
They also had Lomberg, Cousins, Rodrigues, Luosterainen, Gadjovich, Okposo, our Tarasenko scraps etc. not exactly supreme depth. They just play with a lot more urgency.
Yeah and four of them were acquired through trades. It's possible to build a good team through good management.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Ok, maybe not Bennett.
Verhaeghe would be our second best forward at 5v5 and he's closer to Panarin than the guy in third.
You're lying to yourself when you say the difference is urgency. Their roster is better than ours at every spot in the lineup except for 1D and 1LW.
I don't know what your aversion is to admitting the team isn't very good.
