Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Oilers - Sather's revenge

[Whoot Whoot]

Why do people make shit replies like this? Is it because they think it’s funny?

found the grumpy guy

He does have 8 goals already though

 

[zlev]

the defense is a disaster. housley should've been fired two weeks ago.

 

[zlev]

People roll their eyes at the country club narrative about this team but in reality there has never been a truer explanation for a franchise’s failure over time. Numerous cores, different players, different coaches, different circumstances. One constant: the organization treats them better than any other in the league. The players inevitably get comfortable in their station in life and lose the fight and desire necessary to become champions. It’s literally as simple as that.

It’s not fans being crazy. It’s not some conspiracy. It’s real. Players get paid and complacent and complacent and at this level, that’s all it takes for the difference between contender and bad. The whole group is fat and happy and paid. Went on a deep run last year. They’re entitled in every way.

Tomorrow is my birthday and my wife surprised me with really, really good tickets to a game in December (like 500 a piece, 6 rows up behind the net we shoot on twice). I’m so disgusted with this team i wanted to say cancel them get your money back. Im extremely no confident in being able to have a good time.

it's the middle of November, if you want them to play like it's Game 7 every game then they aren't going to have anything left in May and June. Calgary the other night played like it was Game 7 and we still almost beat them. last night was a pathetic performance, no question. but call me crazy, it's not down to effort. this roster is straight up not good enough. on top of that, the coaching staff doesn't utilize the players it has correctly. on top of that, certain players have just regressed majorly (Mika, Lindgren, Trouba) and there's nothing they can do about it. yeah some of them got paid, but these are the same players that got to the ECF twice in 3 years with two incredible series comebacks along the way. i think they still have the fight in them; they just aren't good enough. the expectations for this team are way too high.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

reasons NYR is bad defensively

zone exits
entry denials
gap control
ability to skate up the ice through the NZ with the puck
ability to make a first pass in the NZ

reasons the team will say they're bad defensively

lack of grit
lack of will to win battles
lack of size

 

[Leonardo87]

Folks are overreacting again. There is no doubt they are in a funk but this team is too skilled for it to last. Plenty of time to fix things.

 

[will1066]

Folks are overreacting again. There is no doubt they are in a funk but this team is too skilled for it to last. Plenty of time to fix things.

Every team is skilled to some degree. Relying on just skill will not get far in the league now.

 

[ReddestRum]

Every team is skilled to some degree. Relying on just skill will not get far in the league now.

Not quite sure what our fans want. Do we want a cup or do we just want to win some games every year because we're skilled enough to win some games? Vanishing stars, depth, and defense is a tale as old as time for the Rangers.

 

[Chytilmania]

I still think our forwards fly up the ice leaving the D hang out to dry. Then we get stuck in our own zone.

 

[Hire Sather]

Folks are overreacting again. There is no doubt they are in a funk but this team is too skilled for it to last. Plenty of time to fix things.

It is what it is. They aren't gonna miss the playoffs but the core needed to be changed if they want to win the cup

Drury has no balls. Brought back the same team so the problems everyone has mentioned were not fixed and can't be without a major move

 

[ReddestRum]

I still think our forwards fly up the ice leaving the D hang out to dry. Then we get stuck in our own zone.

Posted this in the Miller thread. It happens so much it's maddening to see. Hell, it happened to us last night. When this play started, Bouchard was on the bench and Panarin and Laf were in the neutral zone and were still f***ing there when he came off the bench and scored.

 

[will1066]

reasons NYR is bad defensively

zone exits
entry denials
gap control
ability to skate up the ice through the NZ with the puck
ability to make a first pass in the NZ

reasons the team will say they're bad defensively

lack of grit
lack of will to win battles
lack of size

None of the systems or plans the coaching staff has drawn up are working. If they pressure, they get turnstiled. So they fall back and concede the NZ, but opponents still gain the zone with speed anyway. Then they get overly eager in the ozone and it goes the other way just the same. No resistance in the NZ and no back pressure most of the time. No one picks up the trailer. Back door is left open all the time.

 

[chosen]

the defense is a disaster. housley should've been fired two weeks ago.

Fire Housley because TroubaLindgrenMiller suck?

 

[TGWL]

Does anybody know Vali uses to determine this? It always seems off, especially our offense and high danger chances.

 

[Guyute]

Posted this in the Miller thread. It happens so much it's maddening to see. Hell, it happened to us last night. When this play started, Bouchard was on the bench and Panarin and Laf were in the neutral zone and were still f***ing there when he came off the bench and scored.

Yep I started saying our forwards sucked at D back in the devils series a few years ago.

Our defenseman have their flaws, but many of our forwards choose not to play responsible hockey, and that makes our D look even worse. Panarin and Laf cherry-pick the entire game. Kreider, Zibanejad, Smith, and even Laf turn it over in bad spots. Panarin does that too, but he makes up for it with high risk plays that ultimately lead to NYR scoring. Most of these guys fly the zone too early too.

 

[Guyute]

Folks are overreacting again. There is no doubt they are in a funk but this team is too skilled for it to last. Plenty of time to fix things.

Yes people are overreacting if you’re fine with making the playoffs then bowing out early.

Absolutely not if you care about winning cups. Vally said the last 6 teams to win the cup were top-5 in rush chances against per game. The Rangers are 31st!! They were 22nd last year and 15th the year before. We have no chance of winning with this core. I care about cups. One cup in my father’s effing lifetime is a joke.

 

[FUZfan]

I blame Jim Ramsay.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Folks are overreacting again. There is no doubt they are in a funk but this team is too skilled for it to last. Plenty of time to fix things.

nah. If anything, people were just underreacting, until now

 

[effen]

The defense pinching is also causing odd man rushes. But if the defense doesn't pinch, not enough offense is generated. It's a rock and a hard place. Looks like the left wing lock has been replaced by a soft 1-2-2 but it comes and goes, leaving huge gaps in the neutral zone, because players are continually sucked in by the aggressive and risky plays.

its a 1 - ? . There is no rhyme or reason to anyone behind the first forechecker. They seem to hover at the blueline, generally, and refuse to impede anyone and back up so its just a conveyor belt of rush chances.

 

[Leonardo87]

nah. If anything, people were just underreacting, until now

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I think they will get out of the funk, get into the playoffs. But when the playoffs come. How far will they go?

 

[will1066]

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I think they will get out of the funk, get into the playoffs. But when the playoffs come. How far will they go?

Not far. I don't mean that as a joke. Washington looks to be for real and thus crowds the top of the division. Jury is out on NJ still, but they still will run circles around our slow, vet-heavy group. Carolina will Carolina as usual, with relentless pressure and disciplined structure. We'll do the same old things running it back, with improved Cuylle and Kakko and maybe Fil, a decent 4th line that still doesn't score enough, but a worse top 6 and definitely questionable D corps.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Yeah, it's getting close to Trouba helmet throwing time again.

In all seriousness this team needs some serious change. The dead weight isn't going anywhere so we need to coach to their advantages. As Vali said, the forwards need to be more prevalent in getting back and helping the D. They can't be flying the zone the second Warrior might have the puck, hint: He can't make that pass anyway guys. Also not sure I can watch another snow angel from these guys. No one does that anymore Phil, please stop coaching these guys to do it.

This man/zone hybrid we're doing in the D zone can go away now. This team can't skate with anyone and all it's doing is having guys chase guys aimlessly and leave wide open passes.

I just don't see how this team can watch this style of play and think this is okay. These guys gotta buy in and compete. It's cliche but look at Florida and how Maurice got those guys to buy in. If you don't wanna buy in, GTFO.

It might not be fun hockey to watch, but I'd rather win 2-1, 3-2 than get the doors blown off overnight as we're trying to do whatever it is we're doing.

I truly think this is the product of the lack of accountability and meritocracy throughout the last 5 or more years. The "aw shucks, we'll get them next time" attitude is rotten throughout so many of these guys. Tro couldn't stop saying it, urgency. There is no urgency with these guys. They just wanna wait and see what happens. This league isn't going to give you the Cup because we have 2 ECF finals. You gotta take it. Stop being allergic to the middle of the ice and contact. They're so easy to play against, it's embarrassing.

We need to see some lineup changes. Certain guys need to be rewarded and others need a reality check. It doesn't need to be permanent but they need a wake up call. This is not acceptable, this is far below what you're capable of.

It's gut check time for Lavi. These guys can't do what he wants them to do. It's time to be the bad guy and get them playing right again.

Well said.

I just don't think this core can get it done and nothing so far this season has led me to believe otherwise.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Bring back Howden

It's been downhill ever since he left

 

[will1066]

I blame Jim Ramsay.

It's your fault, actually, because you brought up Lafreniere Park and rejected my phone battery readings.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

I blame Jim Ramsay.

No need to get personal

 

[mike14]

It's been downhill ever since he left

We went to the ECF as soon as he left. He was holding us back!!!