Value of: Rangers - Montreal

[Kupo]

Canadiens making the trades and then trading the assets is less sensible because if the Rangers intended to trade Petry/Tatar/Danault, they would get full flexibility to see what the best offers are that fit THEIR needs, as opposed to Bergevin trying to guess. It is literally the job of a GM to make trades.



Petry (RD) - Toronto, Winnipeg, STL (if Pietrangelo walks), Edmonton, Vancouver (if Tanev walks) --- all places that would pay a good price for Petry at the draft.

Tatar (LW) - There are probably 10-15 teams in the NHL that would make a move for Tatar at the draft. 119 points in 148 games in Montreal, all situations player, 5on5 beast.

Danault (C) - One of the best (top 10) defensive centers in the league. Absolute monster 5on5, kills penalties, great at faceoffs, tons of teams would pay a premium for a player like Danault at the draft.

Petry (50% retained again) to Toronto for Kerfoot + Toronto's 2021 1st

Tatar, Lias Andersson to Columbus for Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, 2021 1st (top 5 protected)

Danault, Rangers 2021 1st, 2nd to Minnesota for Dumba

DeAngelo + small add to Tampa for Sergachev (Strong side for weak side trade for both teams)

Panarin/Zibanejad/Kakko
Kreider/Strome/Bjorkstrand
Chytil/Kerfoot/Anderson
Fast/Howden/Gauthier

Sergachev/Trouba
Smith/Dumba
Romanov/Fox

Still have: Columbus and Toronto 2021 1st round picks. Montreal's 2020 1st, Chicago's 2020 2nd.

Added: Dumba (6m/3yr), Sergachev (TBD, RFA), Josh Anderson (TBD, RFA), Bjorkstrand (RFA in 2021), Kerfoot (3.5m/3yr) - Caufield (ELC), Romanov (ELC),

Traded: 1OA (Lafreniere), DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Staal (Cap Dump), Lundqvist (Cap Dump), Andersson (who wants out) and the Rangers 2021 1st.

None of the assets that the Rangers walk away with in the end of this deal leave the team in the next 3 seasons. By the time Dumba and Kerfoot are up, Caufield and the 2020 picks will be NHL ready. Rangers can aggressively add at the TDL having two firsts to move around, or they can continue to stock their cupboards while icing an incredibly deep team.

Yes, I understand that the Rangers are losing the BEST PLAYER IN THE DEAL. But what the Rangers are effectively doing is trading one potentially "amazing" piece for a handful of pieces ranging from good to great, with some even having the potential to be more. If they did not have Panarin and Kreider, I would agree its nonsensical to trade Lafreniere, but the reality is you are going to have one of Laf/Kreider/Panarin playing on their off wing or the third line for the next 7 years unless you trade one of them.

Losing Lafreniere sucks, but the Rangers would have four first round picks in the next two drafts, Caufield (15OA who could have gone around 10), Romanov (2nd round pick who in a re-draft likely ends up middle of the 1st at worst), a legitimate #2 defenseman for 3 years, a complete revamp of your bottom 6 giving you more depth, speed and physicality, and to top it all off you still end up saving cap space this season.

The Rangers "rebuild" might be coming to a close, but there's no denying that the Rangers would be a better team for the next 2-5 years if they trade Lafreniere for a king's ransom, and continue to stock their cupboards with high end talent and tons of options, because the reality is after 5th overall it really is just a guessing game.

Just when your awful proposal couldn’t get any worse, you go and drop this garbage on top.

You’re suggesting it’s in our teams best interest to pass on a prospect like Lafreniere for a combination of lesser assets in the hopes we can hypothetically trade them for other assets.....?

And it’s not a GM’s job to make trades. It’s his job to build a team that can ultimately win a championship. That includes scouting, negotiating contracts, drafting, and countless other things.

Give it a rest. All you’ve done is create a complete abomination of a proposal that doesn’t do jack shit for the Rangers.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Maybe Montreal should go after Hall themselves and become a dynasty then.

At the very least, he'll increase their odds of hitting 1OA in the future.

Sheystkin, Kakko, Panairan, Zib, Kriender, Kravstov etc This team is close to competing as is they just need an upgrade at 1c imo.

 

[Nickmo82]

Sheystkin, Kakko, Panairan, Zib, Kriender, Kravstov etc This team is close to competing as is they just need an upgrade at 1c imo.

Shestyorkin has 12 games of NHL experience.
Kakko had a rough rookie year.
Kravstov has never seen NHL ice.

The future looks promising, but there's a lot up in the air at the moment, and Montreal's UFAs plus Taylor Hall aren't really going to help that.

Edit: Oh, and get out of here with that 1C garbage. You'll be hard pressed to find a Rangers fan who isn't thrilled to have Zibanejad as our 1C.

 

[Garbageyuk]

I get you want LaF.

This ^ is DOA for multiple reasons, incl both Staal and Hank have NMCs and say no.

Here is the thing to understand.

1. LaF = ballpark Matthews/MacKinnon level talent unless/until he proves otherwise, which is both not expected and certainly would not be the case now prior to first NHL game.

2. NYR need a scorer/impact guy of that magnitude. Therefore 99.999+% chance he is not moved.

3. Even if showing an open mind to entertain the thought, you and others need to recognize NY does not and should not have to take a fair offer. Coke for Pepsi may work in other circumstances, but not here. You have to WAY WAY WAY overpay.

4. Now here is the kicker. Not only do you have to WAY WAY WAY overpay, you have to top best competing offer, and do so in currency preferable to NYR, not you.

5. This means no LaF to Habs. Period. If there were a possible deal, in light of the above, it would be LaF + to DAL for Heiskanen+, or to BUF for Dahlin +. Not saying Stars or Sabes go there, just illustrating the point.

Lol. You'd be adding significant pieces to Laf to get Dahlin.

 

[Legend123]

1OA picks are always severely overrated on these boards until they actually play in the nhl.
Just saying.

 

[VikingAv]

I demand to have 2 cases of the beverage you’ve been drinking. I will pay for the freight

Don't think that guy only had beverages....

 

[n8]

This isn't a crazy trade. It's worse. This is just out of NHL 20.

No, even the EA NHL GM rejects it. And when you add Suzuki, the EA NHL GM rejects it.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Shestyorkin has 12 games of NHL experience.
Kakko had a rough rookie year.
Kravstov has never seen NHL ice.

The future looks promising, but there's a lot up in the air at the moment, and Montreal's UFAs plus Taylor Hall aren't really going to help that.

Edit: Oh, and get out of here with that 1C garbage. You'll be hard pressed to find a Rangers fan who isn't thrilled to have Zibanejad as our 1C.

Malkin, O’Rielly, Mathews, Towes, Eichel, are centre’s capable of winning a cup as a true 1c. Players like Tavares, Seguin and Zibby can’t win a cup as a 1c and comparing Zibby to those 2 is very generous.

 

[Heckler81]

keep dreaming that we're gonna gut our team for one player

keep dreaming if you think you can get Laf.

 

[sansabri]

keep dreaming if you think you can get Laf.

i'm not expecting to get Laf. don't fret

 

[BroadwayStorm]

I wish there was downvoting on these boards. All these trolls would disappear.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

I thought this thread was locked already.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Take him... 4th maybe

Gladly, bud.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Rangers not only hang up the phone after hearing that joke of a trade they also boycot the habs as a team and refuse to go to Montreal to play or allow the habs at msg. THATS HOW BAD A TRADE THAT IS. NHL 13 would take 3 cell phones away from you for that one. So silly.