Value of: Rangers - Montreal

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Tatar, Hall, Danault and Petry

Then you find a way to get Hall and you become a dynasty.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The 1st overall is not moving. There’s not going to be some trade where we package a bunch of futures for a player like AL. Not happening. When was the last time a 1st overall pick was traded?

Good post. The Rangers aren’t dealing #1 to live bad contracts that expire at the end of next season.

The last 1oA dealt was Fla to Pit when the Pens drafted MAF

 

[bernmeister]

If Bergevin wanted to go all-out and try to trade for Lafreniere AND offer sheet PLD, would there be any feasible package of assets (not including KK/Suzuki) that would entice the Rangers? Habs could take on cap as well.

Obviously the Rangers would want one (or both) of Suzuki and Kotkaniemi, but let's assume that Bergevin would want to keep both, as well as 21/22/23/24's 1sts so that he could offer sheet Dubois.

Proposal:

Buchnevich, 1OA, Staal and Lundqvist for Danault (50% retained), Petry (50% retained), Romanov, Caufield, 16OA (2020), Chicago's 2nd (2020), Tatar.

For Montreal: Lundqvist and Staal are cap dumps but Habs add their french superstar in Lafreniere, and a great 3LW who could be more in Buchnevich to bolster their depth.

For Rangers: Danault, Tatar and Petry are all great assets that make them a better team next season. If they wish to move any (or all) of them for picks/other assets, they could retain on Tatar and deal all three at ridiculously low salary hits for premium assets. Caufield and Romanov are both great prospects, the latter of which being ready to jump in next season. The picks just give the Rangers more assets to make moves with. Opening up the cap space this summer instead of next (Staal/Lundqvist) will allow them to re-sign DeAngelo, Strome and Fast, and potentially add a depth UFA guy (Simmonds, Thornton, Gudas) to make their roster even better for the upcoming season.

I know this will never happen, just bored thinking about how I wish there would be more crazy trades in the NHL

I get you want LaF.

This ^ is DOA for multiple reasons, incl both Staal and Hank have NMCs and say no.

Here is the thing to understand.

1. LaF = ballpark Matthews/MacKinnon level talent unless/until he proves otherwise, which is both not expected and certainly would not be the case now prior to first NHL game.

2. NYR need a scorer/impact guy of that magnitude. Therefore 99.999+% chance he is not moved.

3. Even if showing an open mind to entertain the thought, you and others need to recognize NY does not and should not have to take a fair offer. Coke for Pepsi may work in other circumstances, but not here. You have to WAY WAY WAY overpay.

4. Now here is the kicker. Not only do you have to WAY WAY WAY overpay, you have to top best competing offer, and do so in currency preferable to NYR, not you.

5. This means no LaF to Habs. Period. If there were a possible deal, in light of the above, it would be LaF + to DAL for Heiskanen+, or to BUF for Dahlin +. Not saying Stars or Sabes go there, just illustrating the point.

 

[Rangers394]

Awful

 

[McJedi]

Any trade for 1OA costs Montreal all of 2020 1st Caufield, Suzuki and Romanov and NYR probably ask for more. Habs should let that LAF dream die and move on with realistic moves.

 

[cwede]

Silly proposal, fun to put together maybe, but nothing there to tempt NYR to move Laf

If Ott offered 3d, 5th, another 1st, 3 2ds and a rookie like Gruden, NYR might consider, probably still decline

Dont try to build a hockey trade or rationale. Go into it eyes wide open, expecting what feels like a gross painful overpay. Or move on.

I will avoid the 'g' word,
but adding Laf to the NYR rebuild is game-changer,
a huge upgrade sooner and later,
a core piece for maybe 15 years.
An unforeseen blessing.
Aint gonna be declined, certainly not cheaply

 

[Nickmo82]

Tatar, Hall, Danault and Petry

Maybe Montreal should go after Hall themselves and become a dynasty then.

At the very least, he'll increase their odds of hitting 1OA in the future.

 

[JT Kreider]

And his response on is: if you don’t want Petry, Tatar and Danault, trade them. I don’t make trades to make me then have to make trades.

Yep. Habs have to do the work themselves here. Go trade those players for 1sts, then flip those 1sts for one of Ottawa's picks then trade us that pick +Romanov and Suzuki +MTL 1sts this year and next, then we might be talking.

*cue Kevin Costner in Draft Day with Rangers fans chanting 'Stanley Cup! Stanley Cup!' in the background*

"God damnit I love this job"

 

[sansabri]

Id love for Habs to make a play at Laf but you need a serious offer. In my opinion it starts with:

1 of KK or Suzuki
1 of Romanov or Caulfield

Still need to add - just depends what Ranger needs are. 2020/2021 1st round picks. Or Gallagher. Domi. Tatar. Cap dumps. Some combination of these

keep dreaming that we're gonna gut our team for one player

 

[bl02]

If the Rangers did this they should just cease to be an NHL team. Only guy that would interest me would be Suzuki. Kotkaniemi as well but Suzuki would have to be the start of the package and then start adding much more. Montreal fans would not like it so no deal since it would gut their prospect pool.
Only team that realistically has a shot at Lafreniere is Ottawa.

 

[Kupo]

Proposal:

Buchnevich, 1OA, Staal and Lundqvist for Danault (50% retained), Petry (50% retained), Romanov, Caufield, 16OA (2020), Chicago's 2nd (2020), Tatar.

For Montreal: Lundqvist and Staal are cap dumps but Habs add their french superstar in Lafreniere, and a great 3LW who could be more in Buchnevich to bolster their depth.

Rangers can just buyout Staal and Lundqvist and keep Lafreniere instead of entertain those horse shit of a proposal.

 

[the paisanos guy]

It wouldn't be "one of". it would be all of those players. Plus more.

No single player is worth that plus more. I get being excited to draft 1st overall but don't let it turn your brain to mush.

Habs are not getting Lafreniere, our fans need to let it go. OP's proposal is terrible for the Rangers.

 

[Habs10025]

If Bergevin wanted to go all-out and try to trade for Lafreniere AND offer sheet PLD, would there be any feasible package of assets (not including KK/Suzuki) that would entice the Rangers? Habs could take on cap as well.

Obviously the Rangers would want one (or both) of Suzuki and Kotkaniemi, but let's assume that Bergevin would want to keep both, as well as 21/22/23/24's 1sts so that he could offer sheet Dubois.

Proposal:

Buchnevich, 1OA, Staal and Lundqvist for Danault (50% retained), Petry (50% retained), Romanov, Caufield, 16OA (2020), Chicago's 2nd (2020), Tatar.

For Montreal: Lundqvist and Staal are cap dumps but Habs add their french superstar in Lafreniere, and a great 3LW who could be more in Buchnevich to bolster their depth.

For Rangers: Danault, Tatar and Petry are all great assets that make them a better team next season. If they wish to move any (or all) of them for picks/other assets, they could retain on Tatar and deal all three at ridiculously low salary hits for premium assets. Caufield and Romanov are both great prospects, the latter of which being ready to jump in next season. The picks just give the Rangers more assets to make moves with. Opening up the cap space this summer instead of next (Staal/Lundqvist) will allow them to re-sign DeAngelo, Strome and Fast, and potentially add a depth UFA guy (Simmonds, Thornton, Gudas) to make their roster even better for the upcoming season.

I know this will never happen, just bored thinking about how I wish there would be more crazy trades in the NHL

Montreal never make this trade.

 

[BroadwayStorm]

Will Montreal fans please just stop with these proposals. LaFreniere will most likely never play for your team in his youth or his prime. Probably in the twilight of his career 15 years from now, if ever. So just stop with the idiotic proposals. I've never seen a more delusional fanbase. Holy shit it's every single one of them.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No single player is worth that plus more. I get being excited to draft 1st overall but don't let it turn your brain to mush.

Habs are not getting Lafreniere, our fans need to let it go. OP's proposal is terrible for the Rangers.

I know it’s not worth it and a complete over payment, because that’s what it would take to get it - an overpayment of epic proportions.

you’re right though, habs fans need to let this one die. They aren’t getting that pick. If they wanted to draft him they should have lost in the qualifying round to have a shot.

 

[Kupo]

I've never seen a more delusional fanbase. Holy shit it's every single one of them.

Nah, most of their fanbase realizes it won’t happen. But there are quite a few that wholeheartedly believe if they throw enough shit on the wall, it’ll stick.

 

[MakeCgyGreatAgain]

This can’t be a serious proposal

 

[aufheben]

Horror show.

 

[Mackiaveli]

And his response on is: if you don’t want Petry, Tatar and Danault, trade them. I don’t make trades to make me then have to make trades.

Canadiens making the trades and then trading the assets is less sensible because if the Rangers intended to trade Petry/Tatar/Danault, they would get full flexibility to see what the best offers are that fit THEIR needs, as opposed to Bergevin trying to guess. It is literally the job of a GM to make trades.

Even if we flip those UFA Players, we're looking at taking picks back which is useless to what we need.

Petry (RD) - Toronto, Winnipeg, STL (if Pietrangelo walks), Edmonton, Vancouver (if Tanev walks) --- all places that would pay a good price for Petry at the draft.

Tatar (LW) - There are probably 10-15 teams in the NHL that would make a move for Tatar at the draft. 119 points in 148 games in Montreal, all situations player, 5on5 beast.

Danault (C) - One of the best (top 10) defensive centers in the league. Absolute monster 5on5, kills penalties, great at faceoffs, tons of teams would pay a premium for a player like Danault at the draft.

Petry (50% retained again) to Toronto for Kerfoot + Toronto's 2021 1st

Tatar, Lias Andersson to Columbus for Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, 2021 1st (top 5 protected)

Danault, Rangers 2021 1st, 2nd to Minnesota for Dumba

DeAngelo + small add to Tampa for Sergachev (Strong side for weak side trade for both teams)

Panarin/Zibanejad/Kakko
Kreider/Strome/Bjorkstrand
Chytil/Kerfoot/Anderson
Fast/Howden/Gauthier

Sergachev/Trouba
Smith/Dumba
Romanov/Fox

Still have: Columbus and Toronto 2021 1st round picks. Montreal's 2020 1st, Chicago's 2020 2nd.

Added: Dumba (6m/3yr), Sergachev (TBD, RFA), Josh Anderson (TBD, RFA), Bjorkstrand (RFA in 2021), Kerfoot (3.5m/3yr) - Caufield (ELC), Romanov (ELC),

Traded: 1OA (Lafreniere), DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Staal (Cap Dump), Lundqvist (Cap Dump), Andersson (who wants out) and the Rangers 2021 1st.

None of the assets that the Rangers walk away with in the end of this deal leave the team in the next 3 seasons. By the time Dumba and Kerfoot are up, Caufield and the 2020 picks will be NHL ready. Rangers can aggressively add at the TDL having two firsts to move around, or they can continue to stock their cupboards while icing an incredibly deep team.

Yes, I understand that the Rangers are losing the BEST PLAYER IN THE DEAL. But what the Rangers are effectively doing is trading one potentially "amazing" piece for a handful of pieces ranging from good to great, with some even having the potential to be more. If they did not have Panarin and Kreider, I would agree its nonsensical to trade Lafreniere, but the reality is you are going to have one of Laf/Kreider/Panarin playing on their off wing or the third line for the next 7 years unless you trade one of them.

Losing Lafreniere sucks, but the Rangers would have four first round picks in the next two drafts, Caufield (15OA who could have gone around 10), Romanov (2nd round pick who in a re-draft likely ends up middle of the 1st at worst), a legitimate #2 defenseman for 3 years, a complete revamp of your bottom 6 giving you more depth, speed and physicality, and to top it all off you still end up saving cap space this season.

The Rangers "rebuild" might be coming to a close, but there's no denying that the Rangers would be a better team for the next 2-5 years if they trade Lafreniere for a king's ransom, and continue to stock their cupboards with high end talent and tons of options, because the reality is after 5th overall it really is just a guessing game.

 

[Mackiaveli]

Will Montreal fans please just stop with these proposals. LaFreniere will most likely never play for your team in his youth or his prime. Probably in the twilight of his career 15 years from now, if ever. So just stop with the idiotic proposals. I've never seen a more delusional fanbase. Holy shit it's every single one of them.

You need to chill. You clearly only read halfway through the post

I know this will never happen, just bored thinking about how I wish there would be more crazy trades in the NHL

I'm plenty aware Lafreniere is not going to be playing for the Canadiens; 1st overall picks DO NOT get traded, the only one I can think of is the year Burke traded down for the Sedins --- I get it, but the point is to illustrate how much could the Rangers really get out of moving Lafreniere in a quantity for quality trade, because the reality is there will never be a team that can or will do a quality for quality move with a proven asset for an undrafted one.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Id love for Habs to make a play at Laf but you need a serious offer. In my opinion it starts with:

1 of KK or Suzuki
1 of Romanov or Caulfield

Still need to add - just depends what Ranger needs are. 2020/2021 1st round picks. Or Gallagher. Domi. Tatar. Cap dumps. Some combination of these

so montreal is trading suzuki, romanov, 2 1sts and a top 6 forward for lafreniere? LOL. keep alexis. thx

ps just want to add, he's a great talent but you don't build from the wing. habs are finally getting it right. They need to focus on building their D now. Though they look good with romanov, norlinder, struble, etc all coming. And primeau behind price.
elite wingers are easiest to find

 

[Polar Bear]

It's sad that someone actually thought this proposal would be considered by Rangers fans.

 

[TGWL]

Canadiens making the trades and then trading the assets is less sensible because if the Rangers intended to trade Petry/Tatar/Danault, they would get full flexibility to see what the best offers are that fit THEIR needs, as opposed to Bergevin trying to guess. It is literally the job of a GM to make trades.



Petry (RD) - Toronto, Winnipeg, STL (if Pietrangelo walks), Edmonton, Vancouver (if Tanev walks) --- all places that would pay a good price for Petry at the draft.

Tatar (LW) - There are probably 10-15 teams in the NHL that would make a move for Tatar at the draft. 119 points in 148 games in Montreal, all situations player, 5on5 beast.

Danault (C) - One of the best (top 10) defensive centers in the league. Absolute monster 5on5, kills penalties, great at faceoffs, tons of teams would pay a premium for a player like Danault at the draft.

Petry (50% retained again) to Toronto for Kerfoot + Toronto's 2021 1st

Tatar, Lias Andersson to Columbus for Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, 2021 1st (top 5 protected)

Danault, Rangers 2021 1st, 2nd to Minnesota for Dumba

DeAngelo + small add to Tampa for Sergachev (Strong side for weak side trade for both teams)

Panarin/Zibanejad/Kakko
Kreider/Strome/Bjorkstrand
Chytil/Kerfoot/Anderson
Fast/Howden/Gauthier

Sergachev/Trouba
Smith/Dumba
Romanov/Fox

Still have: Columbus and Toronto 2021 1st round picks. Montreal's 2020 1st, Chicago's 2020 2nd.

Added: Dumba (6m/3yr), Sergachev (TBD, RFA), Josh Anderson (TBD, RFA), Bjorkstrand (RFA in 2021), Kerfoot (3.5m/3yr) - Caufield (ELC), Romanov (ELC),

Traded: 1OA (Lafreniere), DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Staal (Cap Dump), Lundqvist (Cap Dump), Andersson (who wants out) and the Rangers 2021 1st.

None of the assets that the Rangers walk away with in the end of this deal leave the team in the next 3 seasons. By the time Dumba and Kerfoot are up, Caufield and the 2020 picks will be NHL ready. Rangers can aggressively add at the TDL having two firsts to move around, or they can continue to stock their cupboards while icing an incredibly deep team.

Yes, I understand that the Rangers are losing the BEST PLAYER IN THE DEAL. But what the Rangers are effectively doing is trading one potentially "amazing" piece for a handful of pieces ranging from good to great, with some even having the potential to be more. If they did not have Panarin and Kreider, I would agree its nonsensical to trade Lafreniere, but the reality is you are going to have one of Laf/Kreider/Panarin playing on their off wing or the third line for the next 7 years unless you trade one of them.

Losing Lafreniere sucks, but the Rangers would have four first round picks in the next two drafts, Caufield (15OA who could have gone around 10), Romanov (2nd round pick who in a re-draft likely ends up middle of the 1st at worst), a legitimate #2 defenseman for 3 years, a complete revamp of your bottom 6 giving you more depth, speed and physicality, and to top it all off you still end up saving cap space this season.

The Rangers "rebuild" might be coming to a close, but there's no denying that the Rangers would be a better team for the next 2-5 years if they trade Lafreniere for a king's ransom, and continue to stock their cupboards with high end talent and tons of options, because the reality is after 5th overall it really is just a guessing game.

We don't want Kerfoot. The 1st in 2021 from leafs is not what we need. We want ready, young players, players who might need a different team to advance, or prospect who are about to step in.

Columbus doesn't make that trade without Tatar having interest in signing. And the Wild aren't trading Dumba for a UFA either. Your scenario of do this, followed by this, followed by jumping jacks in the street doesn't work for us. These are "what if" scenarios.

We should then trade Lundkvist since he'll be blocked on the right side with Dumba, Fox and Trouba. But I guess we have Kakko to show for the last few drafts, right?

 

[One Winged Angel]

Holy shit this is bad.

 

[Nickmo82]

Canadiens making the trades and then trading the assets is less sensible because if the Rangers intended to trade Petry/Tatar/Danault, they would get full flexibility to see what the best offers are that fit THEIR needs, as opposed to Bergevin trying to guess. It is literally the job of a GM to make trades.



Petry (RD) - Toronto, Winnipeg, STL (if Pietrangelo walks), Edmonton, Vancouver (if Tanev walks) --- all places that would pay a good price for Petry at the draft.

Tatar (LW) - There are probably 10-15 teams in the NHL that would make a move for Tatar at the draft. 119 points in 148 games in Montreal, all situations player, 5on5 beast.

Danault (C) - One of the best (top 10) defensive centers in the league. Absolute monster 5on5, kills penalties, great at faceoffs, tons of teams would pay a premium for a player like Danault at the draft.

Petry (50% retained again) to Toronto for Kerfoot + Toronto's 2021 1st

Tatar, Lias Andersson to Columbus for Josh Anderson, Oliver Bjorkstrand, 2021 1st (top 5 protected)

Danault, Rangers 2021 1st, 2nd to Minnesota for Dumba

DeAngelo + small add to Tampa for Sergachev (Strong side for weak side trade for both teams)

Panarin/Zibanejad/Kakko
Kreider/Strome/Bjorkstrand
Chytil/Kerfoot/Anderson
Fast/Howden/Gauthier

Sergachev/Trouba
Smith/Dumba
Romanov/Fox

Still have: Columbus and Toronto 2021 1st round picks. Montreal's 2020 1st, Chicago's 2020 2nd.

Added: Dumba (6m/3yr), Sergachev (TBD, RFA), Josh Anderson (TBD, RFA), Bjorkstrand (RFA in 2021), Kerfoot (3.5m/3yr) - Caufield (ELC), Romanov (ELC),

Traded: 1OA (Lafreniere), DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Staal (Cap Dump), Lundqvist (Cap Dump), Andersson (who wants out) and the Rangers 2021 1st.

None of the assets that the Rangers walk away with in the end of this deal leave the team in the next 3 seasons. By the time Dumba and Kerfoot are up, Caufield and the 2020 picks will be NHL ready. Rangers can aggressively add at the TDL having two firsts to move around, or they can continue to stock their cupboards while icing an incredibly deep team.

Yes, I understand that the Rangers are losing the BEST PLAYER IN THE DEAL. But what the Rangers are effectively doing is trading one potentially "amazing" piece for a handful of pieces ranging from good to great, with some even having the potential to be more. If they did not have Panarin and Kreider, I would agree its nonsensical to trade Lafreniere, but the reality is you are going to have one of Laf/Kreider/Panarin playing on their off wing or the third line for the next 7 years unless you trade one of them.

Losing Lafreniere sucks, but the Rangers would have four first round picks in the next two drafts, Caufield (15OA who could have gone around 10), Romanov (2nd round pick who in a re-draft likely ends up middle of the 1st at worst), a legitimate #2 defenseman for 3 years, a complete revamp of your bottom 6 giving you more depth, speed and physicality, and to top it all off you still end up saving cap space this season.

The Rangers "rebuild" might be coming to a close, but there's no denying that the Rangers would be a better team for the next 2-5 years if they trade Lafreniere for a king's ransom, and continue to stock their cupboards with high end talent and tons of options, because the reality is after 5th overall it really is just a guessing game.

OMG it's bizarro Bern.