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SML2 said:
I'm done with him. He is such a hard player to like. He always looks like his freaking dog died. One of my all time least favorite Rangers was Darren Turcotte. Every shift he comes to the bench with some grimace on his face like he's dying a painful death because he got whacked or whatever. It gets old. Whatever the hell the conversation was that forced that horrifying look on Buchnevich's face last night did it for me. Hopefully it was something along the lines of "you should have asked Santa for luggage. You are out of here."
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I sure hope that "not a happy face" is not a criterion Gorton uses in roster construction.
 
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will1066 said:
Touche.

But how do you explain his unnaturally long neck? Hmmm?

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Photoshop?
 
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Let's face it. This will be a run-and-gun, pond-hockey, track-meet kind of a team. Nothing tells me they will deviate from this, and this squad will live and die by it. Question is how far will this style of play take it--along with the head coach and his coaching staff.
 
pld459666 said:
Hes on pace for 45 points.

That's who he is as a player.

That's a successful 2nd line winger
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considering he gets to play with Mika or Panarin almost every night 45 points is underachieving big time. Like I said earlier 1 pt in 15 games playing with those guys? When they’re tearing it up? That’s awful
 
Kovalev27 said:
considering he gets to play with Mika or Panarin almost every night 45 points is underachieving big time. Like I said earlier 1 pt in 15 games playing with those guys? When they’re tearing it up? That’s awful
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Certainly shows why he ended up on the third line so often.
 
Blue Blooded said:
In terms of metrics, we are in a league of our own when it comes to 5v5 xGA and HDCA - by far the worst in the league.

I agree on the areas of focus too. I've always been a proponent of maximizing strengths and only focusing on weaknesses when they are unacceptably bad and cripple your entire performance.

Is passing up shots killing our offence? Definitely not, the assertion is absurd on its face as a team that wins on the back of goal scoring and goaltending. We are overpassing, but it is not nearly the biggest issue with the team and it is a style that fits many of our best offensive players. Let them figure it out and focus on defensive structure. We have for years been the worst team in the leauge at defending the neutral zone, how about we figure that one out so we aren't letting the opposition enter our zone with possession every single time? There was a pretty funny moment last night where Staal was backing up and DeAngelo suddenly decided to cross the ice and check the Toronto player entering the zone - I guess he had enough of the passive style we've been playing. To add insult to injury we are using our best NZ defenceman as a 4th line wing.
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Great stuff!
 
Kovalev27 said:
considering he gets to play with Mika or Panarin almost every night 45 points is underachieving big time. Like I said earlier 1 pt in 15 games playing with those guys? When they’re tearing it up? That’s awful
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Its not like hes a complete passenger.

Hes getting chances, just not burying them.

Hes not as consistent or talented as the two guys you mentioned, but his pace this year was his pace last year and then year before.

This is who he is.

And that's not a bad thing.

Hes not untouchable by any stretch, but I'm in no rush to move him either.
 
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JCProdigy said:
Maybe he's just the perfect complimentary player to somebody like Panarin, much like Kreider can be to Zibby. Example, Zibby plays the game at a fast pace. He charges and goes. Kreider's speed is an asset because he can easily keep up with Mika.

Panarin slows the game down a lot, maintains possession, and that benefits Strome and his slower foot speed. Can't forget that Strome was a 5th overall pick (one spot in front of Mika!) and he has skill and good offensive instincts. He was young with the Islanders and the Oilers were a tire fire the year he was there. Confidence can go a long way if you have the underlying skills.

He's benefiting with playing with one of the best and hottest players in the game but I will say, too many times I've seen guys get similar opportunities and not run with it so, to me, his performance is not something to outright dismiss.
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Great post.
 
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will1066 said:
Remember his blood clotting condition? He's not invincible. Pre-existing condition can manifest. He's on the best medication, I'm sure.
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Yes we remember but what I really like about Kreider is that he worked his ass to get back much quicker than expected and contributed. I understand not wanting to give him an insane contract but if he is willing to take a little less we gotta keep him. He does too many things that are hard to replace. Even his defense has greatly improved as we saw last night down the stretch
 
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Alexei Kovalev 27 said:
yes, because true value is only related to a passable point total. Unbelievably short-sided.
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At some point you have to accept these players for who they are and not try to get more from them than what they are capable of delivering.

If they over deliver, awesome.

Other wise, you will always be disappointed.

As an aside, every team needs 2nd line players making 2nd line money. There is no harm or shame in that.
 
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Just watched the game this morning. Three stars - Panarin, Strome, Georgiev. HM to Zib and Kreider. A few thoughts

  • I love Chytil's game. I know the points aren't coming, but I've been watching him closely away from the puck. His positioning and awareness is getting better, but still has room for improvement. The most noticeable thing is his hustle on the back check and his commitment away from the puck. It's fantastic to see, and I imagine it's not lost on the coaches.
  • I'm seeing small amounts of improvement in Howden, which is good to see. He's still making a ton of mistakes and bad plays, but he's making some good plays as well. So long as there is progress, I'm happy. And to that end...I'm not seeing that with Kakko. He's stagnant, and it's worrying me a bit. I'm not expecting him to be a 25 goal scorer this season, but I want to see his game moving in the right direction, and I'm not.
  • Fox has been "struggling" for a couple weeks now. His confidence seems to have dropped a bit, and we're see a few more mistakes with the puck and indecisiveness. That being said, I'll reiterate what I said when his play first dipped a bit - if this is Fox at a low point, then we are surely looking at a superstar in the making. The guy is still such a net positive on the ice.
  • It seemed like every other shift we were hemmed in our own zone, it was Trouba & Skjei on the ice. Count me as thoroughly unimpressed with Trouba this year (outside of the first couple weeks of the season). I also just think that pair doesn't work, I wonder if Trouba would be better with Lindgren? (but I don't want to break up Lindgren and Fox).
  • For all the accolades that Panarin gets (and rightfully so), I think the player that has put a smile on my face the most this season is Zib. The guy is just...wow. I was thinking, he must be the first forward the Rangers have "developed" in to a superstar since Gilbert, right? Developed meaning, either homegrown or a player who ascended to the status of star while on the Rangers. The Rangers have done a great job of developing good forwards throughout the lineup (Stepan, Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Boyle, Miller, etc.) in the last decade and a half, but none of them were true stars. The 90s were a dearth of offensive talent. Kovalev came close, but only became a star while on Pittsburgh. Ditto for Amonte on Chicago. Kisio wasn't close to this good, neither was Turcotte. The only guy that comes close to fitting the bill in the last 40 years is Graves, but he wasn't as much of an offensive driver as he was an elite complimentary piece.
 
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Fitzy said:
I don't know why people struggle so much with this.

If buchnevich's name was Stone or Baker he'd be considered a successful albeit inconsistent 2nd line forward. Not unlike jt Miller.
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and when it was time to pay him 5 mil we traded him. Which is quickly approaching for Buchnevich
 
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pld459666 said:
At some point you have to accept these players for who they are and not try to get more from them than what they are capable of delivering.

If they over deliver, awesome.

Other wise, you will always be disappointed.

As an aside, every team needs 2nd line players making 2nd line money. There is no harm or shame in that.
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No. Pavel Buchnevich is NOT an effective 2nd liner. You are using his point total as the baseline of his value. His ‘production‘ is entirely replaceable - I want someone else that doesn’t possess all the inadequate traits and deficiencies that I find him to be. 89’s ‘good’ does not outweigh his ‘bad’ - his loss would be addition by subtraction.
 
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Kovalev27 said:
did you read at all what I actually wrote?

I said by the time he’s 21 22 he may be better defensively than Mika is now. I only said defensively and I only said in a couple years. In no way did I say he is better than Mika.
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Sorry, I was a year off in my Chytil calculations, I can’t believes he’s only 20!! though I still disagree somewhat, just not as much as before
 
Kovalev27 said:
and when it was time to pay him 5 mil we traded him. Which is quickly approaching for Buchnevich
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And now 36 points in 39 games for a 26 year old from East Palestine, Ohio. What a bozo.

I remember the Miller haters. Not saying Buch will blossom like that but he's solid and plays a stronger two-way game nowadays.
 
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