Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Lightning: Live from the Lair of Manbearpig
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I think thats a bit optimistic.
I think 35+ goals could be a possibility, if this team ever gets a capable center.
TheTakedown
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MDZ was THAT bad in that game, and by a wide margin...
I said CONSIDER, not "OMGZZZ LETS TARADE HIM!!!11!1!"
But the fact is MDZ is continually playing himself to become our worst defenseman. If's he's bottom pairing here, but top pairing somewhere else, trade him NOW to get the best value for him.
Absolutely no reason why the guy can't bring back a high end forward and a prospect at the least. Hell, throw in a pick for another prospect. The well is getting more and more dry in Hartford. Went to the pack game on Saturday and dear god were they bad. pulled it out in OT, but such uncreative and boring hockey
Agreed but 1 game? Can we slow down a little bit? He looked good but lets see how he looks for a few more games
With his stupid statement about Cally, he doesn't deserve a response, yeah Cally's been draggin us down, lol
He's that bad almost every game, time for a change of scenery, for the teams as well as his own good...
Thought Allen was OK, although a bit shaky at times. Certainly not someone I would deem NHL-ready at this point.
But hey, whatever, hes new so that apparently makes MDZ even more expendable.
But hey, whatever, hes new so that apparently makes MDZ even more expendable.
Good luck to Slats getting value for MDZ when hes not a consistent top 4 defenseman and was publicly trashed by his head coach.
Stupid statement? Its my opinion. Callahan has sucked this year and hasnt looked like his usual self. He used to be a spark to get a line going but this year he isnt doing ****. Callahan said the team can have fun now tha AV is here, where is the fun? I know Callahan can do no wrong on this board but this year he is playing like a bum and thats a fact. The "C" should be taken off his sweater too
Glen Sathers Cigar
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I see in the beat writers tweets that it looks like J Moore will continue to get votes of confidence while Del Zotto gets **** on and run out of town. Listen MDZ has been far from perfect he's looked the worst he has since his sophomore season. however , he's still looked better than Moore and Falk. Falk is the worst defenseman to dress this season, constantly losing his man and getting beat all game. Moore makes even more bonehead plays than MDZ. He's always blowing assignments and leaving people open and chasing in the D zone. He's very frustrating to watch. The only thing he has over MDZ is his skating. That's it. Other than that MDZ has been better his season yet still gets **** on and Moore gets the benefit of the doubt. Whatever.
ArPanet
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Moore has 2 fights so far. One of which finally avenged the Rangers' honor (a little, at least) when he tuned Curtis Glencross. (Hope he's getting free pizza 4 life.) Moore also was shaking off the gloves when Cooke tried to maim the Norwegian BaZucca, only to have Brodziak get in the way. Moore is the 2nd best skater on the blueline and he has a good shot, too. Unfortunately he seems to think the game in bewildering ways. Can composure be learned? It would be awesome if he can settle down.
TheTakedown
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Given how much more experience MDZ has, he should not be better than more, he should be MUCH BETTER than Moore. That's the point. Guy makes too much money and brings way too many mistakes in every game he plays. Moore isn't perfect either, but Moore has less than half of the experience than MDZ, and they are the same age.
Bottom line, given that we're lumping bothy MDZ and Moore into the same caliber, it only speaks further volumes about how poor MDZ's play is in reality compared to other defensemen
But don't take my word for it. Let's piece together the play we've seen with the stats that exist:
John Moore NHL totals: 99 3 11 14 15 12 0 1 1 2
MDZ Stats NHL totals: 250 24 86 110 106 32 3 9 12 20
Bolded is GP
Point is, Moore gets a pass for those mistakes because Moore has a mere 1/5 of MDZ's experience...
Yet, Moore is as good as MDZ, at a lower cap hit...
And the obvious choice is?
Notes:
Source is Wikipedia for stats
This only counts up to the end of the 12-13 season
speaking of which, looks like MDZ is scratched tomorrow:
http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/read-the-defense-for-tomorrow-isnt-sethenrik-lundqvist-in-net/
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I didn't do too well in math, but is 99/250 = 1/5?
I want to live in that world too!
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I am willing to give Moore more benefit of the doubt because he doesn't have near the same amount of games played at this level as Del Zotto.... I don't think Moore has been any better than Del Zotto, they've both been terrible.
I don't know what happened to Del Zotto, but he has only regressed his past few seasons here. HIs shot is awful, his vision has disappeared and I remember him doing a lot more hitting his first 2 years here,,,where did that go???
I think its past his expiration date with this team, I think a change of scenery would be good for his career.
As much as I am for trading him, I think many people are over-estimating his trade value, setting themselves up for a disappointment when he doesn't return what people think....His value is terrible right now
One possible consideration is this:
Del Zotto has been here for some time, and obviously been the object of much scrutiny by all. Moore receives a fraction of that, and the expectations for Moore are not at the same level.
I don't think that it is unfair, to be honest. I always wanted Del Zotto to be given time to develop, and have taken the stance that if a good trade proposal that involved DZ came along (a trade proposal framed by the other team wanting DZ, as opposed to one in which NYR are trying to get rid of DZ - two very different things) you do it.
Is it really so unfair for fans or Rangers beat writers to post more opinions about Del Zotto's weaknesses than those of J. Moore? The context of Del Zotto's place in the Rangers player development framework has to be recognized. I don't blame anyone for thinking Del Zotto has regressed and is stalled in his progress.
Raspewtin
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See Moore's inexperience doesn't do much for me as an argument. Because if there was so much booming potential for him, he would have more NHL time on his resume, especially on Columbus. He has 99 GP because he was a disappointment in Columbus and couldn't make the team. It's understandable, but John Moore doesn't get a free pass over DZ because he wasn't good enough to make his roster. After all, they're the same age.
And Moore's not as good as DZ, not at all. When he can actually break 8 points get back to me.
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Nice win. Got a little hairy in the beginning half of the 3rd, but we settled down and got it done. Good to see Nash on the board. He seemed to want the puck more than he has lately. It's only one game but I was pleasantly surprised with Conner Allen. He seemed pretty confident out there and made good decisions. Keep it up kid!
People just don't realize this. They think it was a McDonagh situation where we got a good prospect.
Moore was well on his way to bust status in Columbus, and nothing has changed since he got here.
aufheben
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Yeah, who knows at this point. Maybe a few great seasons with Steps as his center.
I will personally be ecstatic with 20 goals from Chris, especially as he putting up nice assists also. 55 would be very nice, I don't know if that'd be enough for Calder because he's apparently ancient
, but I'd be very happy with that. One of the few bright spots this season...Let's hope he can continue being our 2nd best forward in the new year, not that he has much competition, lol.
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I understand what you say. My point was that people expected Del Zotto to be the puck moving, skilled defenceman, and there is enough evidence to suggest that he may not ever be that for the Rangers. I am not saying Moore is better than DZ, not by a long shot.
Perhaps I did not comprehend the original post correctly. DZ is far better than J. Moore. At the same time, DZ won't be what we thought he was becoming.
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Raspewtin
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Pretty much this post. I know he's still young but Moore is still REALLY stupid on the ice, makes bad decisions, and is offense doesn't even come close to making up for it. And there's no reason to believe he's going to get better.
I find it amusing when people clamor for DZ to be traded, but insist Moore is part of the future.
TheTakedown
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apologies. Originally I had 1/3, but realized 2/5's would be slightly more accurate.
Samuel Culper III
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Whether 1/5 or 2/5 Moore has barely 1/10 the points DZ has put up and isn't THAT much of a difference defensively. I think DZ needs a change of scenery but the ONLY reason Moore gets a pass is because he hasn't been here as long. Another 90 games here and he'll be a whipping boy.
