Proposal: Rangers - Leafs

[elmaco]

You're right! Laf and Kakko would finally help the Leafs win a playoff round.

Think ahead a few years, ding dong.

 

[Space Coyote]

Think ahead a few years, ding dong.

The problem is Matthews and Marner might be in Leafland in a few years. Its Cup or bust for them in the next two seasons. They should look to move Nylander for a starting goalie. Maybe Gibson?

 

[Menzinger]

Don't think the Leafs are trading Bunting...

That being said, the concept of Nylander <-> Lafrieniere is an interesting one, IMO.

The Leafs would get massive cap savings. The Rangers get a much more established scorer -- on a team that the scoring depth certainly falls off very quickly.

There's a couple of challenges though, IMO.

1. Bonus overage - Laf has full potential performance bonuses. Put him in the Leafs top 6, and I think there's a pretty good chance he reaches a pretty substantial chunk of them. Even if Toronto were to "allocate" him as a $3.5m player; assuming you're at the cap and will have players on LTIR throughout the year, "replacement" players will take up "bonus space" before they take up LTIR space, IIRC.

2. NY's cap -- they're still sitting with $3.5m in buyout hits from Shattenkirk, Girardi, Deangelo. As of right now, they have just under $12m with 6 roster spots to fill. Players without a contract include... Strome (#2C to be replaced), Kakko, Blais, and Georgiev (backup goalie to be replaced).

Adding $6m to go from Laf to Nylander would make things VERY tight around the rest of the NY roster, especially considering that the positions to fill include a #2C, backup goalie, and Kakko.

Is it though? The Leafs replace a guy pacing for 70 points to one pacing for 28 just to save 3 mil...

 

[Edgelord]

Think ahead a few years, ding dong.

there are soo many other young, better, cheaper to acquire guys I would go after 1st. All those 2 have to offer is draft pedigree

 

[seanlinden]

Is it though? The Leafs replace a guy pacing for 70 points to one pacing for 28 just to save 3 mil...

The Leafs "replaced" a guy who'd put up 111 points in his last 65 games (and in line for a $5m+ paycheque) with a a 26 year old guy that had 26 games to his NHL resume....

When you're paying what you are for the big 3, you've gotta find a way to "buy low" on potential, and use your stars to help those players reach their potential.

 

[34]

Bad for the Leafs.

 

[Edgelord]

The Leafs "replaced" a guy who'd put up 111 points in his last 65 games (and in line for a $5m+ paycheque) with a a 26 year old guy that had 26 games to his NHL resume....

When you're paying what you are for the big 3, you've gotta find a way to "buy low" on potential, and use your stars to help those players reach their potential.

buy low on potential or buy high on a declining asset.
Personally I am risk adverse. Right now I get the feeling he is more a Drouin than a Huberdeau

 

[Charlie Conway]

a legit 1st line near ppg this season winger and the rookie scoring leader is not peanuts and any add for any of those wouldn't be more than a 1st

Apologies. I thought you were saying Nylander+Bunting was worth Shesterkin + Fox + Kreider.

My main concern with Bunting is that he's a 26 year old with a very short (albeit good) NHL resume who is currently producing with some of the top players in the league. The Rangers tried this gamble with both Dryden Hunt and Colin Blackwell.

It's not worth discussing, though, because the Rangers are right up against the cap, too, and trading Laf and Kakko would remove two of the players we have under team control, never mind the fact that they are still developing. Two goals from Kakko tonight is a good sign.

 

[Edgelord]

Apologies. I thought you were saying Nylander+Bunting was worth Shesterkin + Fox + Kreider.

My main concern with Bunting is that he's a 26 year old with a very short (albeit good) NHL resume who is currently producing with some of the top players in the league. The Rangers tried this gamble with both Dryden Hunt and Colin Blackwell.

It's not worth discussing, though, because the Rangers are right up against the cap, too, and trading Laf and Kakko would remove two of the players we have under team control, never mind the fact that they are still developing. Two goals from Kakko tonight is a good sign.

I agree, its your teams job to do what they can to turn Laf into a Huberdeau and not a Drouin. I didn't get to watch Kakko a ton pre NHL so I can't give a good high/ low comparable

 

[Guttersniped]

Don't think the Leafs are trading Bunting...

That being said, the concept of Nylander <-> Lafrieniere is an interesting one, IMO.

The Leafs would get massive cap savings. The Rangers get a much more established scorer -- on a team that the scoring depth certainly falls off very quickly.

There's a couple of challenges though, IMO.

1. Bonus overage - Laf has full potential performance bonuses. Put him in the Leafs top 6, and I think there's a pretty good chance he reaches a pretty substantial chunk of them. Even if Toronto were to "allocate" him as a $3.5m player; assuming you're at the cap and will have players on LTIR throughout the year, "replacement" players will take up "bonus space" before they take up LTIR space, IIRC.

2. NY's cap -- they're still sitting with $3.5m in buyout hits from Shattenkirk, Girardi, Deangelo. As of right now, they have just under $12m with 6 roster spots to fill. Players without a contract include... Strome (#2C to be replaced), Kakko, Blais, and Georgiev (backup goalie to be replaced).

Adding $6m to go from Laf to Nylander would make things VERY tight around the rest of the NY roster, especially considering that the positions to fill include a #2C, backup goalie, and Kakko.

There’s no argument that contractually you’re worse off with a player with a year left on their ELC than with a player who’s on a bigger two year standard deal and then is a UFA after that.

Bonuses don’t matter unless a team goes above the -6m Bonus Cushion Penalty and then the overages count against the cap the next year.

Having Kakko & Laf, plus Fox, Miller etc all on ELCs at once has led to the Rangers to have to leave room for the Bonus Cushion Penalty but most capped out teams don’t have multiple top picks on ELCs.

The only player on current Leaf roster who has bonuses is Liljegren, his are worth 400k and this the last year of his ELC. It wouldn’t be a problem for them with Laf on roster next year.

You can argue about his ceiling or whatever but the Leafs would be getting a player they have team control for 5 years. They could give Kakko a bridge deal and these two would have a lower cap hit than Nylander alone.

It makes zero sense for the Rangers unless Nylander became their 2C considering their cap situation. Getting Bunting for one year is pretty meaningless in comparison to Kakko being a RFA without arbitration rights.

 

[MapleLeafs94]

I pass personally as a Leafs fan. Toronto needs to win now. On their current trajectory, Laf and Kakko won't be as big of contributors as Nylander and Bunting in the upcoming window of Matthews remaining contract.

Kinda funny how the Rangers turned their current team from rebuilding shitshow to top 5-10 playoff threat. Send letter to fans signaling a rebuild and now a very exciting team consistently.

Obviously Fox was just a gift from the gods. Not much else to say. No real GM skills needed here. Free Norris trophy worthy D don't just grow on trees.

Panarin was a well calculated risk that could of went bad or maybe still could. Still, a dominant play driving winger is a your best forward 90% of nights and carries the heavy load for periods.

Then a late round pick HOF caliber goalie makes his presence know with a season for the ages and makes Lundqvist seem like an afterthought.

Made some great trades in the teardown faze of the rebuild. But most big/high profile picks haven proved fruitful and that's what you'd expect to be the catalyst for their turnaround.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Rangers fans saying no for any reason other than the cap are out to lunch. Nylander today is a dream come true if either of those guys ever play as good as him, which is likely to take years and years and who knows if they ever do. At their age, Nylander was putting up 30 goal 60 point seasons in the NHL.

This is one of the worst offers I have seen in a while. Just abhorrent from the Leafs perspective. Their only value is salary cap space. Is Nylander a cap dump? No he is a massive asset they could use to retool their team. As it is, I am not sure either of those Rangers players have a steady job in the Leafs lineup if it wasn't for their draft placement.

 

[Space Coyote]

Rangers fans saying no for any reason other than the cap are out to lunch. Nylander today is a dream come true if either of those guys ever play as good as him, which is likely to take years and years and who knows if they ever do. At their age, Nylander was putting up 30 goal 60 point seasons in the NHL.

This is one of the worst offers I have seen in a while. Just abhorrent from the Leafs perspective. Their only value is salary cap space. Is Nylander a cap dump? No he is a massive asset they could use to retool their team. As it is, I am not sure either of those Rangers players have a steady job in the Leafs lineup if it wasn't for their draft placement.

Its obviously a troll proposal just look all other posts by the OP regard the Leafs

 

[Edgelord]

Rangers fans saying no for any reason other than the cap are out to lunch. Nylander today is a dream come true if either of those guys ever play as good as him, which is likely to take years and years and who knows if they ever do. At their age, Nylander was putting up 30 goal 60 point seasons in the NHL.

This is one of the worst offers I have seen in a while. Just abhorrent from the Leafs perspective. Their only value is salary cap space. Is Nylander a cap dump? No he is a massive asset they could use to retool their team. As it is, I am not sure either of those Rangers players have a steady job in the Leafs lineup if it wasn't for their draft placement.

but but we would get the privilege of draft pedigree.....in the press box lol

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I would be very interested in Laff but I don't see how this works (once you strip away draft pedigree). I can see why NYR fans don't like it either, they've invested a lot in these two players.

 

[Djp]

It didn't occur to you to look at the Rangers' cap situation before posting this?

OP didn’t put in Marner : sarcasm:

 

[mydnyte]

Hi. I'm a hockey fan from Canada, I've seen Bunting and the Leafs play and replay and talked about more than any human needs to see in the history of the universe.

A 21 game outlier. Small sample size.

Yup. As the rangers don't have a Matthews or Marner, Bunting wouldn't produce as much. Thought that was pretty clear.

He's a "Rookie" how would you expect to have a large sample size? Laff and Kakko have a bigger sample size, and the samples suck. ...potential is always there, but, potential is something that more often than not never gets reached, otherwise, every other player would be a star

 

[kihei]

Perhaps this one just should never have gotten off the drawing board in the first place.

 

[CanadienShark]

Bunting makes 925k so no point in dealing him for cap reasons

I would deal him 1 for 1 for Laf as I think Laf has a still 70 pt winger potential especially if he plays with either of the big 4.

After next year leafs would need to move one of tbe big 4 if Laf hit, if he doesn't we can bridge at 3ish and save 3M extra which Bunting would demand

Wouldn't deal Nylander for Kakko

No shit you would.

 

[Menzinger]

The Leafs "replaced" a guy who'd put up 111 points in his last 65 games (and in line for a $5m+ paycheque) with a a 26 year old guy that had 26 games to his NHL resume....

When you're paying what you are for the big 3, you've gotta find a way to "buy low" on potential, and use your stars to help those players reach their potential.

Though there are differences here. Hyman was heading towards a new contract that was likely going to exceed his on ice value - while Nylander's current on ice play already exceeds the value of his caphit.

And Bunting had showed (albeit in a VERY small sample size) the previous season signs that he was about to go through a boom. Laff hasn't shown that yet, but obviously has draft pedigree. Bunting was also a fully developed player at that point too.

Trading Nylander now for him would be sacrificing immediate team competitiveness for hope of a return within a few seasons once the younger guy (hopefully) figures things out.

Imo it's not what the Leafs are looking for. Especially at the cost of moving out a core player

 

[rangersfansince08]

I am soo sure the Leafs are itching to trade Nylander and Bunting for 2 severely underperforming players. Bunting has 18 more points than those 2 together lol, not even including Nylander.
Wow just wow, Nylander+Bunting is worth way more than what is offered here think Shersterkin, Fox, Kreider

You win for the stupidest post in this thread.

 

[jellybeans]

An offseason trade. Toronto is against the cap figured this would be a beneficial trade for both sides.

Lafreniere
Kakko

Nylander
Buting

New York get two cost control top 6 RWs. Leafs get two kids who could use a change of scenery.

This is really bad for the Rangers.

 

[DatDude44]

What was he in Arizona when he put up the highest GPG there team has seen in almost a decade?

he played 21 games and scored 10 goals........ chill lol

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

horrible for leafs

maybe throw in giorgiev

even then i am not sure

You can have him for free. No, I insist.

 

[lukeleim]

Toronto Maple Leafs
Alexis Lafrenière
Jacob Trouba

New York Rangers
William Nylander
Justin Holl
Petr Mrázek