Proposal: Rangers - Leafs

[TheGroceryStick]

Bunting a top 6 winger. lol okay.

One of the biggest leeches the league has ever seen. Drop him on any line not including Matthews or Marner and he's Brendan Lemieux, if that.

So eery how Hyman had the EXACT same response.

I guess that happens when you have players like Marner/Matthews. Not disagreeing that Bunting isn't playing above where he generally would... but proves that it only takes a Hyman/Bunting/etc type to mesh nicely on our top line.

The formula for a good hockey team. (Now let's hope they complete the task)

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

at this stage I value Laf and Kakko less than Lilj

Liljegren took almost 4.5 years to develop to where he is, this makes no sense. This isn't a knock at Liljegren because he has developed nicely. It's that you are comparing a player who as slowly developed for quite some time to a players still developing.

 

[Taluss]

Not a chance I’d do that from NYR side. I’d imagine 99.9999999% of leafs fans also feel the same way from their side

 

[TGWL]

I like Nylander, a lot, but I don't see how the cap works and I don't think they should be trading Laf until they see him after next off-season training. Bunting doesn't really move the needle here for us. The package is based on Nylander, obviously. I'm glad Bunting has done well with Toronto but unless he can play C or be a top RW, he's not a needed player in our line-up.

 

[cwede]

I am soo sure the Leafs are itching to trade Nylander and Bunting for 2 severely underperforming players. Bunting has 18 more points than those 2 together lol, not even including Nylander.
Wow just wow, Nylander+Bunting is worth way more than what is offered here think Shersterkin, Fox, Kreider

We are agreeing, no match here.
NYR dont want to move any of the guys OP listed, or you did.
And NYR arent seeking those Leafs guys either.
Leaving it all alone makes more sense than any of this clickbait

 

[Edgelord]

We are agreeing, no match here.
NYR dont want to move any of the guys OP listed, or you did.
And NYR arent seeking those Leafs guys either.
Leaving it all alone makes more sense than any of this clickbait

yup, the potential reward is there with Kakko and Laf but the risk is just too high. However if they or even 1 was a D man with the same potential then I can see the Leafs interest being higher.

 

[Lays]

Rangers say no and we’re also inevitably against the cap very soon

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Bunting makes 925k so no point in dealing him for cap reasons

I would deal him 1 for 1 for Laf as I think Laf has a still 70 pt winger potential especially if he plays with either of the big 4.

After next year leafs would need to move one of tbe big 4 if Laf hit, if he doesn't we can bridge at 3ish and save 3M extra which Bunting would demand

Wouldn't deal Nylander for Kakko

 

[bernmeister]

An offseason trade. Toronto is against the cap figured this would be a beneficial trade for both sides.

Lafreniere
Kakko

Nylander
Buting

New York get two cost control top 6 RWs. Leafs get two kids who could use a change of scenery.

By definition only God is absolute.
That clarified, as close as it is otherwise possible to nearly be absolute without actually being absolute, that is how much of a no this is for Rangers.

Beginning next season NY cap crunch will be full insane severe. Lindgren likely dealt replaced by elc Robertson to scrape up cap.
LaF + KK have huge potential upside, which OP ignores, but that aside, yielding to cap reality, they are rfas who likely will stay on a short bridge deal while we wait 2 yrs at most for Trouba nmc to expire, making most of his 8m available to deal, replaced by elc/rfa. They are not the ones we would be looking to trade.
And while there is no denying the results, we will be hard pressed to generate additional cap space for Copp + Vatrano, who are obv keepers.
We can't afford Nylander, and otherwise prefer pieces we have.

MASSIVE NO

 

[TorontoTrades]

Bunting a top 6 winger. lol okay.

One of the biggest leeches the league has ever seen. Drop him on any line not including Matthews or Marner and he's Brendan Lemieux, if that.

Wait.... Players produce more with great players??

Anymore nuggets of wisdom?

 

[seanlinden]

Don't think the Leafs are trading Bunting...

That being said, the concept of Nylander <-> Lafrieniere is an interesting one, IMO.

The Leafs would get massive cap savings. The Rangers get a much more established scorer -- on a team that the scoring depth certainly falls off very quickly.

There's a couple of challenges though, IMO.

1. Bonus overage - Laf has full potential performance bonuses. Put him in the Leafs top 6, and I think there's a pretty good chance he reaches a pretty substantial chunk of them. Even if Toronto were to "allocate" him as a $3.5m player; assuming you're at the cap and will have players on LTIR throughout the year, "replacement" players will take up "bonus space" before they take up LTIR space, IIRC.

2. NY's cap -- they're still sitting with $3.5m in buyout hits from Shattenkirk, Girardi, Deangelo. As of right now, they have just under $12m with 6 roster spots to fill. Players without a contract include... Strome (#2C to be replaced), Kakko, Blais, and Georgiev (backup goalie to be replaced).

Adding $6m to go from Laf to Nylander would make things VERY tight around the rest of the NY roster, especially considering that the positions to fill include a #2C, backup goalie, and Kakko.

 

[GAGLine]

Don't think the Leafs are trading Bunting...

That being said, the concept of Nylander <-> Lafrieniere is an interesting one, IMO.

The Leafs would get massive cap savings. The Rangers get a much more established scorer -- on a team that the scoring depth certainly falls off very quickly.

There's a couple of challenges though, IMO.

1. Bonus overage - Laf has full potential performance bonuses. Put him in the Leafs top 6, and I think there's a pretty good chance he reaches a pretty substantial chunk of them. Even if Toronto were to "allocate" him as a $3.5m player; assuming you're at the cap and will have players on LTIR throughout the year, "replacement" players will take up "bonus space" before they take up LTIR space, IIRC.

2. NY's cap -- they're still sitting with $3.5m in buyout hits from Shattenkirk, Girardi, Deangelo. As of right now, they have just under $12m with 6 roster spots to fill. Players without a contract include... Strome (#2C to be replaced), Kakko, Blais, and Georgiev (backup goalie to be replaced).

Adding $6m to go from Laf to Nylander would make things VERY tight around the rest of the NY roster, especially considering that the positions to fill include a #2C, backup goalie, and Kakko.

Rangers will more than likely re-sign Copp, which makes Nylander a complete non-starter. And we aren't trading Laf or Kakko in either case.

 

[peconcan]

Bunting a top 6 winger. lol okay.

One of the biggest leeches the league has ever seen. Drop him on any line not including Matthews or Marner and he's Brendan Lemieux, if that.

Lol what about last year when he had 10 goals in 21 games playing on the Coyotes

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

An offseason trade. Toronto is against the cap figured this would be a beneficial trade for both sides.

Lafreniere
Kakko

Nylander
Buting

New York get two cost control top 6 RWs. Leafs get two kids who could use a change of scenery.

You go to the box, you know. Two minutes, by yourself, you know and you feel shame, you know.

 

[slg1963]

Hahaha...... No

 

[TwineSniper]

Tell me you've never watched bunting play without telling me you've never watched bunting play.

Hi. I'm a hockey fan from Canada, I've seen Bunting and the Leafs play and replay and talked about more than any human needs to see in the history of the universe.

What was he in Arizona when he put up the highest GPG there team has seen in almost a decade?

A 21 game outlier. Small sample size.

Wait.... Players produce more with great players??

Anymore nuggets of wisdom?

Yup. As the rangers don't have a Matthews or Marner, Bunting wouldn't produce as much. Thought that was pretty clear.

 

[Charlie Conway]

I am soo sure the Leafs are itching to trade Nylander and Bunting for 2 severely underperforming players. Bunting has 18 more points than those 2 together lol, not even including Nylander.
Wow just wow, Nylander+Bunting is worth way more than what is offered here think Shersterkin, Fox, Kreider

Even if anyone disagreed with the original premise, that is absolutely hilarious.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

horrible for leafs

maybe throw in giorgiev

even then i am not sure

Is this satire? Georgiev is the key?

 

[Charlie Conway]

What was he in Arizona when he put up the highest GPG there team has seen in almost a decade?

10 goals in 21 games?

That's the funny thing about small sample sizes.

ARI - 1.7 G/60
TOR - 1.1 G/60

No arguing Bunting has been lights out for Toronto, but it's one season playing with some of the top players in the league. Let's give it a little more time.

 

[Edgelord]

Even if anyone disagreed with the original premise, that is absolutely hilarious.

a legit 1st line near ppg this season winger and the rookie scoring leader is not peanuts and any add for any of those wouldn't be more than a 1st

 

[elmaco]

Leafs would do this in a millisecond.

 

[Edgelord]

Is this satire? Georgiev is the key?

what I don't get is Kakko and Laf have been rather pedestrian stat wise and to the eye test.
Personally I don't have much interest in either player. Guys like Engvall and Mikheyev have been better this season. So where would they even play and actually add to the roster?

 

[Edgelord]

Leafs would do this in a millisecond.

no we wouldn't lol

 

[elmaco]

no we wouldn't lol

 

[Space Coyote]

You're right! Laf and Kakko would finally help the Leafs win a playoff round.