Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Jets 3/14/13 - Tort-O-Rella
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Squantosawuss
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Funny, some on the Buffalo board are talking about the possibility of Ruff coaching the Rangers. Not sure how that would work, but as snotty as Ruff can be with his players, he's probably a kinder, gentler Torts, minus the Cup of course
Speaking of Tortorella, I really do like the guy, but there may be a chance he's rubbed too many players the wrong way, which means they either won't play for him OR are holding those sticks too tight out of fear of getting reamed Torts-style for screwing up. Either way, there's no overcoming that outside of trading half the team....or firing him.
JC704
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- Jan 6, 2012
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Hi, I lurk here a ton and very rarely post, but it has gotten to the point where I really want to start posting, so here it is.
The #1 problem on this team is Torts' stubbornness. It's clear as day. He is not very good at making in-game adjustments. At all. His idea of in-game adjustment is shuffling line combinations together that don't really make much sense and don't put our guys into the best position to win. Yes, the lockout shortened season stacked the deck against him, but he has been the culprit of a lot of our problems this year.
1. Although Gaborik has started slow, it is the HC's job to put him in the best possible position to do what he does best, and that is, score goals. Do not play him on his off-wing, do not "bench" him when he has a bad shift, do not play him on a line with Bryan *****ing Boyle.
2. Kreider should never have been sent down. In last year's playoffs, the Capitals played a very conservative defensive system like the one we implement now. There was a lot of shot-blocking (Hell, I remember ALEXANDER FREAKING SEMIN was blocking shots and looking competent back-checking) and a lot of games where Holtby's athleticism was on full display. Despite this, Kreider really excelled in the playoffs and scored big goals. He displayed his speed and he seemed just fine. Fast forward eight months and all of a sudden, "he is not strong enough," "he makes careless turnovers," "does not use his body enough" etc. There have been excuse after excuse made for him. The problem I see is, plain and simple, Kreider is not put in a position to play well (much like Gaborik). I've always believed in the theory that you play your best guys, whenever, however, wherever. Doesn't matter. Kreider is an NHL forward. Is he polished yet? Of course not, which leads me to 3.
3. J.T. Miller. How Torts has not seen the untapped potential with him yet is mind-boggling to me. Yes, it will take some time and he still is prone to turnovers, like so many young players are, but he has shown the ability to throw the body and extend plays at the NHL level already. It is no surprise that the best stretches of hockey this team has played has come when Boyle (when he was scratched) and Richards (when he was hurt) were out of the lineup. This is no shocker, and these instances are not unrelated. Truth of the matter is, is that Richards is declining about a year-and-a-half sooner than ALL of us anticipated. That sense on the Power Play is gone. He isn't as strong anymore. He is still a good passer and has a good shot, but I personally don't see a true #1 Center anymore, I see a good #2B out there. I forgot who said this, but it was a member on this board. Richards looks more like a bad player having good stretches than a good one having bad ones. That is a huge problem.
4. Why were Hagelin-Stepan-Nash ever broken up in the first place?
I could go on and on about the game, but I'll end with what I think the line combinations SHOULD be going forward. Here is what I'd do.
Get Bickel off this team. As far away as you can get. Put him on waivers or something. Terrible.
1st Line: Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
(Stepan has looked and played like a true 1B 1st Line C about 75% of the time this year. He has unbelievable chemistry with these two and it just clicks.)
2nd Line: Callahan-Miller-Gaborik
(Emphasize to J.T. that he has to be a little less aggressive with his decision making and be more protective of the puck. In the two games Richards was out, this line was very, very good.)
3rd Line: Kreider-Richards-Pyatt
(This isn't really a "third line" by NHL standards I guess, but I think it is very important Kreider gets back up here as soon as possible. I think with Kreider's speed, Pyatt's good board play and Richard's smart, this line could click. Everybody compliments one another, like the 2nd Line.)
4th Line: Boyle-Halpern-Powe
(Just a very good checking line, that can win faceoffs and do the gritty things a 4th line should do. Boyle can still take faceoffs, but I think he lacks the creativity and skill-set to be a real 3rd Line C in the NHL.)
Pray Staal gets back soon and pair the D as such:
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Eminger
Extra D: Hamrlik
I have liked what I've seen from Eminger. He should have been playing A LOT sooner. I feel the same way with Stralman. They are good for what they are. Potential bottom-pairing guys, but at the same time they have been very good in their own end. Nothing to complain about. I like Gilroy, but I just don't think he has a spot here. You can see flashes in his game, but it has just never fully transitioned to an NHL player and I don't think it ever will.
BTW: Extra Forward: Asham. Send Haley back down and give him a call whenever somebody gets hurt.
That's it for now, I'll be posting more. Really interested to see if I can draw some intrigue and responses here.
The #1 problem on this team is Torts' stubbornness. It's clear as day. He is not very good at making in-game adjustments. At all. His idea of in-game adjustment is shuffling line combinations together that don't really make much sense and don't put our guys into the best position to win. Yes, the lockout shortened season stacked the deck against him, but he has been the culprit of a lot of our problems this year.
1. Although Gaborik has started slow, it is the HC's job to put him in the best possible position to do what he does best, and that is, score goals. Do not play him on his off-wing, do not "bench" him when he has a bad shift, do not play him on a line with Bryan *****ing Boyle.
2. Kreider should never have been sent down. In last year's playoffs, the Capitals played a very conservative defensive system like the one we implement now. There was a lot of shot-blocking (Hell, I remember ALEXANDER FREAKING SEMIN was blocking shots and looking competent back-checking) and a lot of games where Holtby's athleticism was on full display. Despite this, Kreider really excelled in the playoffs and scored big goals. He displayed his speed and he seemed just fine. Fast forward eight months and all of a sudden, "he is not strong enough," "he makes careless turnovers," "does not use his body enough" etc. There have been excuse after excuse made for him. The problem I see is, plain and simple, Kreider is not put in a position to play well (much like Gaborik). I've always believed in the theory that you play your best guys, whenever, however, wherever. Doesn't matter. Kreider is an NHL forward. Is he polished yet? Of course not, which leads me to 3.
3. J.T. Miller. How Torts has not seen the untapped potential with him yet is mind-boggling to me. Yes, it will take some time and he still is prone to turnovers, like so many young players are, but he has shown the ability to throw the body and extend plays at the NHL level already. It is no surprise that the best stretches of hockey this team has played has come when Boyle (when he was scratched) and Richards (when he was hurt) were out of the lineup. This is no shocker, and these instances are not unrelated. Truth of the matter is, is that Richards is declining about a year-and-a-half sooner than ALL of us anticipated. That sense on the Power Play is gone. He isn't as strong anymore. He is still a good passer and has a good shot, but I personally don't see a true #1 Center anymore, I see a good #2B out there. I forgot who said this, but it was a member on this board. Richards looks more like a bad player having good stretches than a good one having bad ones. That is a huge problem.
4. Why were Hagelin-Stepan-Nash ever broken up in the first place?
I could go on and on about the game, but I'll end with what I think the line combinations SHOULD be going forward. Here is what I'd do.
Get Bickel off this team. As far away as you can get. Put him on waivers or something. Terrible.
1st Line: Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
(Stepan has looked and played like a true 1B 1st Line C about 75% of the time this year. He has unbelievable chemistry with these two and it just clicks.)
2nd Line: Callahan-Miller-Gaborik
(Emphasize to J.T. that he has to be a little less aggressive with his decision making and be more protective of the puck. In the two games Richards was out, this line was very, very good.)
3rd Line: Kreider-Richards-Pyatt
(This isn't really a "third line" by NHL standards I guess, but I think it is very important Kreider gets back up here as soon as possible. I think with Kreider's speed, Pyatt's good board play and Richard's smart, this line could click. Everybody compliments one another, like the 2nd Line.)
4th Line: Boyle-Halpern-Powe
(Just a very good checking line, that can win faceoffs and do the gritty things a 4th line should do. Boyle can still take faceoffs, but I think he lacks the creativity and skill-set to be a real 3rd Line C in the NHL.)
Pray Staal gets back soon and pair the D as such:
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Eminger
Extra D: Hamrlik
I have liked what I've seen from Eminger. He should have been playing A LOT sooner. I feel the same way with Stralman. They are good for what they are. Potential bottom-pairing guys, but at the same time they have been very good in their own end. Nothing to complain about. I like Gilroy, but I just don't think he has a spot here. You can see flashes in his game, but it has just never fully transitioned to an NHL player and I don't think it ever will.
BTW: Extra Forward: Asham. Send Haley back down and give him a call whenever somebody gets hurt.
That's it for now, I'll be posting more. Really interested to see if I can draw some intrigue and responses here.
ImIdaho
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- Mar 21, 2012
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Problem is you're bringing up players that are actually cashing in goals as well as players that bring more to the table than just scoring goals.
Again, great. We have a player who'll shoot the puck on goal 6 or 8x. He also won't get one or he'll get two at most in other games.
The guy doesnt understand.
Just move on.
No, we should just have this season go down the drain and wait for Gaborik to spring back into action next season.
Dangleberry
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We stunk and I'm not gonna give Winnipeg any credit. Well, I'll give their 3rd line credit. They outplayed our top players and it can't happen. I couldn't be more disgusted and disappointed with the way our top guys played, the way we handled ourselves through it. That team was ripe to be beat.
We sucked at a time we can't suck. We have to get it straightened out.
We sucked at a time we can't suck. We have to get it straightened out.
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I think we'll be needing to use this quote and replacing Winnipeg with whoever we lose to for some to come
We're on a streak of 2 for needing this quote.
pld459666
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I will be very surprised in the Rangers make the playoffs. There's to many guys on this team that cannot initiate and sustain offensive pressure and I'm not a believer in the ability of the coaches concept of generating offence from the dump and chase approach.
We are soft on the puck, we are soft in getting the puck out of the defensive zone. We are weak in our net front precence both offensively and defensively.
Then we have guys like Richards and Gaborik who are supposed to be offensive catalysts that drive the offensive bus only to be passengers more nights than not.
This team reminds me alot of the pre-2005 Rangers.
High priced guys that have come here to ****ing retire and I'm getting sick of it.
We are soft on the puck, we are soft in getting the puck out of the defensive zone. We are weak in our net front precence both offensively and defensively.
Then we have guys like Richards and Gaborik who are supposed to be offensive catalysts that drive the offensive bus only to be passengers more nights than not.
This team reminds me alot of the pre-2005 Rangers.
High priced guys that have come here to ****ing retire and I'm getting sick of it.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Only watched the 2nd period. Checked the score throughout on my phone but glad I didn't waste my time with this **** show. This team isn't worth my time anymore. I've been watching less and less this season. Just not worth the stress.
Hah, I went out to dinner and kept checking through my phone. My speaking tone got noticeably more decrepit and full of despair as the night went on.
Gabby has officially turned into Drury!!! Even when he wins the puck (which is 5% of the time) he seems to flub the pass or shot. Something is completely off and I don't know if his game is salvageable at this point. Just like Drury who I loved in Buffalo followed the same path. I'm not saying its that extreme yet, only that this is how Drury looked at the beginning of the END:-(
Kokoschka
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- May 13, 2012
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The Rangers will win. Just to mess with our brains and to keep our hopes up. They'll then lose 2 in a row to teams that are "worse" than the Rangers. Book it.
Bottom six that has a snowballs chance in hell of scoring
Top six that is easily neutralized and plays on perimeter
Under performing highest paid player on team who is extremely weak on the puck , out worked , and generally gassed .
Breakout system that has been scouted and is easily neutralized by taking away the boards .
Dmen unable to clear the crease or move the puck up ice or get shots through or on net .
Honestly not many positives .
Ill skip the Torts bashing because I've never given him credit for our success so I won't bag on him for repeated failure ( this time )
Top six that is easily neutralized and plays on perimeter
Under performing highest paid player on team who is extremely weak on the puck , out worked , and generally gassed .
Breakout system that has been scouted and is easily neutralized by taking away the boards .
Dmen unable to clear the crease or move the puck up ice or get shots through or on net .
Honestly not many positives .
Ill skip the Torts bashing because I've never given him credit for our success so I won't bag on him for repeated failure ( this time )
Whoot Whoot
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I was at work and had to watch the game with the sound off. Were their actually taunting Tort-a-rella chants? Ala "Maaaarty"? Sardonic etc...
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cd211
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everyone sucks, **** it!!! trade nash trade gabs trade del zotto mcd girardi they all suck trade them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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