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GDT: Rangers @ Islanders - "Who Wants To Lose More?" Edition - 4/5/18 - 7pm ET

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silverfish said:
Let's just all be friends again, and focus on the LOSERS who aren't even in the NHL right now, or are in the NHL right now and SUCK.

Owen Stinkett - *****
Gabe Stinklardi - *****
Michael Stinkmussen - *****
Nick Stinkzuki - *****
Jordan Stinkway - *****
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Lol why so much Greenway hate?
 
Go Away Staal said:
Montoya, but that was only a slight one if I remember where he was ranked.

Brendl, Lundmark and Malhotra all went where they were supposed to go.
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Yeah, Montoya was one of those ones where the independent rankings had him a lot lower than NHL teams, apparently. Carolina apparently wanted him after Ladd. Florida apparently wanted him over Olesz. McKenzie's composite rankings had him at #4.
 
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Andersson can be a good player, but it bothers me that we never hear that he has a great shot, or that he has good hands, it that he's good along the boards.

The first few things on the list every time somebody on TSN or within our organization talks about Andersson are: next captain, mature, competitive, character guy, plays hard, plays the right way. He was taken for the wrong reasons. He was taken for all the bullshit I just mentioned, not the former.

If he ends up being very good, the Rangers will have ended up with a very good player by accident. I think it's possible for the team to end up with good players and to still have a problem with their agenda.

Wherever we pick this June, I want the best hockey player. Nothing else should factor in. I think it's a long shot to argue Andersson was the best hockey player at 7.
 
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Machinehead said:
Andersson can be a good player, but it bothers me that we never hear that he has a great shot, or that he has good hands, it that he's good along the boards.

The first few things on the list every time somebody on TSN or within our organization talks about Andersson are: next captain, mature, competitive, character guy, plays hard, plays the right way. He was taken for the wrong reasons. He was taken for all the bull**** I just mentioned, not the former.

If he ends up being very good, the Rangers will have ended up with a very good player by accident. I think it's possible for the team to end up with good players and to still have a problem with their agenda.

Wherever we pick this June, I went the best hockey player. Nothing else should factor in. I think it's a long shot to argue Andersson was the best hockey player at 7.
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I think that is fair and I agree, if he ends up being very good it will be a surprise to many (including the Ranger staff). There is another way to look at it though. Andersson was a safe pick. You can't trade your #1 C for a draft pick and take a home run swing. You just can't. You do that with your #21 pick, they did and so far it looks like a good move. Instead they make a safe pick with Andersson, a guy who has a lower ceiling but looks highly probable to be an NHL C.

I was significantly pissed off with the trade at first. I still think maybe we could have gotten a bit more. But, I do understand the Andersson pick.
 
And Gorton is still raving about character in recent interviews. f*** character.

Have yourself a little Google about LA and Chicago's locker rooms and tell me that character wins Cups.
 
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Machinehead said:
It's not even reaching, either. It's doing it for the wrong reasons.

If we took a huge risk because the kid was hurt, or a late bloomer, or in a bad situation, but we believed he had the talent to score 50 goals, that's one thing.

We reached for McIlrath because he fights. We reached for Andersson because he's a muh competitive warrior who does things #therightway and will throw medals if we lose.
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What a load of poppycock.
 
Machinehead said:
And Gorton is still raving about character in recent interviews. **** character.

Have yourself a little Google about LA and Chicago's locker rooms and tell me that character wins Cups.
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He also preaches skill and speed in his interviews.

Don't try to imply that you can have only one or the other.

:dunno:
 
Machinehead said:
Andersson can be a good player, but it bothers me that we never hear that he has a great shot, or that he has good hands, it that he's good along the boards.

The first few things on the list every time somebody on TSN or within our organization talks about Andersson are: next captain, mature, competitive, character guy, plays hard, plays the right way. He was taken for the wrong reasons. He was taken for all the bull**** I just mentioned, not the former.

If he ends up being very good, the Rangers will have ended up with a very good player by accident. I think it's possible for the team to end up with good players and to still have a problem with their agenda.

Wherever we pick this June, I want the best hockey player. Nothing else should factor in. I think it's a long shot to argue Andersson was the best hockey player at 7.
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I definitely agree he was a bit of a reach (maybe about 5-8 slots high) but it's pretty obvious the team wanted as close to a sure thing as possible with their higher pick and went for the home run with the lower pick.

Coupled together, I don't think it's a bad move at all. Gives yourself a little insurance.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
I think that is fair and I agree, if he ends up being very good it will be a surprise to many (including the Ranger staff). There is another way to look at it though. Andersson was a safe pick. You can't trade your #1 C for a draft pick and take a home run swing. You just can't. You do that with your #21 pick, they did and so far it looks like a good move. Instead they make a safe pick with Andersson, a guy who has a lower ceiling but looks highly probable to be an NHL C.

I was significantly pissed off with the trade at first. I still think maybe we could have gotten a bit more. But, I do understand the Andersson pick.
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I think that's fair. I mean if we didn't have Chytil I'd be absolutely rabid over the Andersson pick, but you have to consider 21 OA as part of the strategy.

If we don't have 21 OA, maybe we don't take Andersson.

I would still rather have Chytil and Mittelstadt if I'm giving you an honest assessment, but I can live with our first round as a whole.

Just don't do it again. This pick will be high, this draft is loaded, and I think we need to go for a star.
 
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Rangers743 said:
Well I think you're wrong. He may never be the offensive player a CM is but I think Lias can be great player similar to a Kadri, Monahan, or a Ryan O'Reilly.
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Monahan and ROR are virtual locks for 60-65 points.

I'd be shocked if Lias ends up being that, and more than happy to be wrong about it.
 
Machinehead said:
I think that's fair. I mean if we didn't have Chytil I'd be absolutely rabid over the Andersson pick, but you have to consider 21 OA as part of the strategy.

If we don't have 21 OA, maybe we don't take Andersson.

I would still rather have Chytil and Mittelstadt if I'm giving you an honest assessment, but I can live with our first round as a whole.

Just don't do it again. This pick will be high, this draft is loaded, and I think we need to go for a star.
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I don't disagree on Middlestadt and I especially agree on the bold. This is our pick this year. We didn't trade for it. If they don't swing for the f***ing fences I will be PISSED.
 
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Monahan and ROR are virtual locks for 60-65 points.

I'd be shocked if Lias ends up being that, and more than happy to be wrong about it.
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Your acting like Lias is a finished product when he's not even 20 yet. When ROR came into the league he scored 26pts, Monahan scored 34. Lias has looked really good so far from everything I've seen (granted I missed most of the last 2 games).
 
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Machinehead said:
I think that's fair. I mean if we didn't have Chytil I'd be absolutely rabid over the Andersson pick, but you have to consider 21 OA as part of the strategy.

If we don't have 21 OA, maybe we don't take Andersson.

I would still rather have Chytil and Mittelstadt if I'm giving you an honest assessment, but I can live with our first round as a whole.

Just don't do it again. This pick will be high, this draft is loaded, and I think we need to go for a star.
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Especially since we added players like Howden, Hajek and Lindgren who are both character players as well as safe players. We need players with big upside if this rebuild is going to work.
 
Machinehead said:
At least there's some mention of skill in here.

People really make Lias sound like Derek MacKenzie sometimes, which isn't necessarily his fault, but it does alarm me.
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Same site's writeup on Lias pre-draft:

https://thehockeywriters.com/the-next-ones-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-lias-andersson/

This is where we can identify the beauty of Andersson’s game. He’s both a hard-working, fearless type of player with an unmistaken attitude – and a high-level producer with smart hockey sense, finesse, and great finishing qualities.

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Also, as a bonus, if he can keep polish that wrist shot of his, which he let loose several times in the World Juniors, he will surely have a good time in the NHL.
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His main selling point is the "intangibles" (hate that word) but that's not to say no one mentioned his actual skills at all.
 
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jas said:
Especially since we added players like Howden, Hajek and Lindgren who are both character players as well as safe players. We need players with big upside if this rebuild is going to work.
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Another reason to not draft safe guys high is that you CAN add them via trade.

For example, I don't see the Rangers trading Chytil for anything unless it was stupid, just like Tampa giving us Point/Sergachev was always a fantasy.
 
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