Speculation: Rangers Head Coach Search (Laviolette being finalized? According to Vince and Friedman)

[McRanger92]

The Drury hate in here is really over the top. You may not agree with everything he has done. But moving on from Gallant was the correct decision. The team was despondent at various times throughout the season, and that showed again in the Playoffs even after being up 2-0 in the opening round. They had no killer instinct under this coaching staff. They didnt have it last year when up 2-0 over Tampa. They didnt have it consistently throughout the regular season. They didnt have it against the Devils. It was time for a change.

Of the coaches who have been hired so far, who have they missed out on? Who was the big miss? Unproven Carberry? So much vitriol in the language of many here towards Drury. How about we let him finish hiring someone and see how the season goes. I agree I want no part of Hynes but Drury hasn’t hired him to this point. And if he does, I’ll still be watching next year like many of you.

Everyone pining for the days of Gorton like he didn’t give Panarin & Trouba 20 million fat ones to hamstring us for the better part of a decade. The board has become unreadable.

 

[RGY]

Everyone pining for the days of Gorton like he didn’t give Panarin & Trouba 20 million fat ones to hamstring us for the better part of a decade. The board has become unreadable.

Truth be told I didn’t even hate those additions. I really wanted Panarin. I was a big proponent. I always liked Trouba. I do think Trouba is overpaid by a couple million. And that couple million is the difference in retaining someone like Mikkola right now.

But the thing is you live with the reality that every President, GM, etc., is going to make moves with their personal opinion sprinkled in on each one even with the staff they surround themselves with. And every single one of them will make a move here and a move there that will be questionable to some extent. And yet here we are listening to people here crucify Drury over the Buchnevich trade, the Goodrow contract, the Kane trade, etc. Those same people are the ones clamoring for the days of Gorton but neglecting Gorton’s shortcomings. They blame Drury so much for the Buchnevich trade in the summer, but why wasn’t he dealt at the deadline by Gorton? Its shameful to ignore that part of the timeline. It was false hope the Rangers were going to do anything that year. That was Gorton’s doing.

This team is not perfect. In fact really no NHL roster is. Not even the ones in the cup final. But with Drury in charge they went to the ECF 2 wins away from a SCF visit. They absolutely should have beat the Devils and there is an extremely strong chance they would have beaten Carolina and Florida after that. They choked. The coaching staff and corresponding system had a lot to do with that. Drury has not been complacent. It is now widely known the interaction he had with Gallant after Game 4. I would rather my GM not settle for less and have the conviction to want and expect more.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Everyone pining for the days of Gorton like he didn’t give Panarin & Trouba 20 million fat ones to hamstring us for the better part of a decade. The board has become unreadable.

One of those guys has been our leading scorer every season since we signed him, and is our all time leading scorer on a per game basis.

I'm one of the biggest Trouba critics on this site but if trading Pionk & WPG's late 1st back to them for the guy who ended up being our captain is the biggest blot on a guys record; I don't think that's very damning lol. Look at Drurys record.



Treat Buchnevich like a cap dump for Blais & a 2nd

*Use more money than Buch signed in STL for, on Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves & Blais*

*Blais doesn’t score a single goal as a Ranger & gets fewer shots than Buchnevich gets goals*

Blais, Skinner, 1st & 4th for rental Tarasenko & Mikkola

*Blais scores more than Tarasenko for remainder of the season*

 

[McRanger92]

Truth be told I didn’t even hate those additions. I really wanted Panarin. I was a big proponent. I always liked Trouba. I do think Trouba is overpaid by a couple million. And that couple million is the difference in retaining someone like Mikkola right now.

But the thing is you live with the reality that every President, GM, etc., is going to make moves with their personal opinion sprinkled in on each one even with the staff they surround themselves with. And every single one of them will make a move here and a move there that will be questionable to some extent. And yet here we are listening to people here crucify Drury over the Buchnevich trade, the Goodrow contract, the Kane trade, etc. Those same people are the ones clamoring for the days of Gorton but neglecting Gorton’s shortcomings. They blame Drury so much for the Buchnevich trade in the summer, but why wasn’t he dealt at the deadline by Gorton? Its shameful to ignore that part of the timeline. It was false hope the Rangers were going to do anything that year. That was Gorton’s doing.

This team is not perfect. In fact really no NHL roster is. Not even the ones in the cup final. But with Drury in charge they went to the ECF 2 wins away from a SCF visit. They absolutely should have beat the Devils and there is an extremely strong chance they would have beaten Carolina and Florida after that. They choked. The coaching staff and corresponding system had a lot to do with that. Drury has not been complacent. It is now widely known the interaction he had with Gallant after Game 4. I would rather my GM not settle for less and have the conviction to want and expect more.

Agree with all of it. Drury has had moves that haven’t worked out but he was hamstrung by the moves his predecessors made, and failed to make. I’ve liked his drafts as well. We have very solid prospects coming who play a more typical Rangers style from the pre-rebuild years when we were more of a hard working, pain in the ass team. We all know Gorton and his cronies had an obsession with raw skill that hasn’t worked out at all. Lets we forget Drury also locked up Fox for 8 years sub 10mil. It may be one of the best contracts in hockey. We’re still in a great spot long term. I’m glad Drury isn’t as impatient with our young players as the fans are.

 

[McRanger92]

One of those guys has been our leading scorer every season since we signed him, and is our all time leading scorer on a per game basis.

I'm one of the biggest Trouba critics on this site but if trading Pionk & WPG's late 1st back to them for the guy who ended up being our captain is the biggest blot on a guys record; I don't think that's very damning lol. Look at Drurys record.



Treat Buchnevich like a cap dump for Blais & a 2nd

*Use more money than Buch signed in STL for, on Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves & Blais*

*Blais doesn’t score a single goal as a Ranger & gets fewer shots than Buchnevich gets goals*

Blais, Skinner, 1st & 4th for rental Tarasenko & Mikkola

*Blais scores more than Tarasenko for remainder of the season*

No offense but I’m more than fine being on the opposite side of an argument than you Jovo. Panarin can’t crack the top 10 in points league wide while he stunts the growth of the kids. 11.6 million well spent lol

 

[Savant]

Hynes is lifeless with no heart, personality, nor soul, just an empty “person”.

Because he split himself into horcruxes

 

[HANK30]

The Drury hate in here is really over the top. You may not agree with everything he has done. But moving on from Gallant was the correct decision.

wasn’t he the guy who hired Gallant?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

No offense but I’m more than fine being on the opposite side of an argument than you Jovo. Panarin can’t crack the top 10 in points league wide while he stunts the growth of the kids. 11.6 million well spent lol

Every point made about panarins dominance in the regular is 100% true.

That said, his inability to do that in the playoffs has been beyond brutal.

Doing it in the regular season and disappear in the playoffs is the worst possible combination.

Ive said before I would prefer him not carry us into the playoffs just to not show up. Its more detrimental than just letting this team struggle and actually find their identity without him.

All that said - probably any GM in the league would sign him to that deal, at that time, pre covid. He’s just too dynamic not to.

 

[EdJovanovski]

No offense but I’m more than fine being on the opposite side of an argument than you Jovo. Panarin can’t crack the top 10 in points league wide while he stunts the growth of the kids. 11.6 million well spent lol

I get he's the new whipping boy but we still need to make our arguments in an honest way, can't just remove all the context surrounding that contract. He was the headliner of the last free agent class before the covid lockdowns and flat cap era, and most players of his caliber never hit UFA which obviously ups the price as well.

I also don't think it's clear that Drury would find a better way to spend his cap space if we did ship him out, look what he did with the cap space he gained from the Buch trade... Blais, Nemeth, Reaves & Goodrow.

This argument stems from you defending our front office and bashing the prior one, yet your absolving our front office of blame for the kids development and putting it on the shoulders of *checks notes* Panarin

 

[17futurecap]

I get he's the new whipping boy but we still need to make our arguments in an honest way, can't just remove all the context surrounding that contract. He was the headliner of the last free agent class before the covid lockdowns and flat cap era, and most players of his caliber never hit UFA which obviously ups the price as well.

I also don't think it's clear that Drury would find a better way to spend his cap space if we did ship him out, look what he did with the cap space he gained from the Buch trade... Blais, Nemeth, Reaves & Goodrow.

This argument stems from you defending our front office and bashing the prior one, yet your absolving our front office of blame for the kids development and putting it on the shoulders of *checks notes* Panarin

Ciaccio staying is good, everyone needs the crutch so they can blame him, and not blame the actual 1st and 2nd picks in the draft for being mid.

 

[McRanger92]

I get he's the new whipping boy but we still need to make our arguments in an honest way, can't just remove all the context surrounding that contract. He was the headliner of the last free agent class before the covid lockdowns and flat cap era, and most players of his caliber never hit UFA which obviously ups the price as well.

I also don't think it's clear that Drury would find a better way to spend his cap space if we did ship him out, look what he did with the cap space he gained from the Buch trade... Blais, Nemeth, Reaves & Goodrow.

This argument stems from you defending our front office and bashing the prior one, yet your absolving our front office of blame for the kids development and putting it on the shoulders of *checks notes* Panarin

The team would be better off long term if Panarin wasn’t here even if the majority of his cap hit was. The worst thing he’s done is monopolize the power play ice time and refuse to play with the kids. And we were in the middle of a rebuild. I defend Drury becagse he’s been here 2 years and we’ve been successful outside of the Devils series.

Gorton was the GM who forced us into a rebuild to begin with, people love to ignore that. Then we sent the letter and he gave it 18 months of “rebuilding” because he and JD had a boner for Panarin. Then he sat on his hands while the locker room culture and on ice toughness degraded to nothing, which led to the Wilson incident. Follow the thread, he was the problem.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yeah getting rid of Gallant was the right move and it was also one that 95% of this board wanted. And now the team is being deliberate in hiring a coach but we've all decided it's actually because they're all morons who have no idea of what they want to do. And so we yearn for the old administration, whose specialty was stocking every front office position with family or friends and who brought us David "Developmental Coach" Quinn. And with all that, a return the Dark Ages is imminent and we're totally pathetic.

I also LOL at this fascination with Mark Ciaccio. I have no idea if he's good at his job, or terrible. What I do know is that before this offseason I had heard his name mentioned on this forum about 5 times in total, and now he comes up every third or fourth post.

For this board, it all checks out.

Yeah, getting rid of Gallant was a must, especially when the players were basically begging Drury for help in the exit interviews.

I’m just frustrated that the two most spoken-about candidates are two guys who just got fired for very similar reasons as Gallant. It just seems very predictable and like an inevitability that this franchise is doomed to just spin their wheels for the next two or so years before someone like Lavi or Hynes is inevitably fired. I just want to see some semblance of a process and organizational plan actually take action.

It’s weird to see Vince write something along the lines of Knoblauch being viewed as their heir apparent who is fine being patient and waiting his turn. If that’s the case, why not just hire him now? I’m not even that sold on him, but that move would at least make sense to show some continuity in the organization.

The Ciaccio stuff is just a weird, lazy crutch for people to complain about. Those issues are all related to offseason training which falls on the developmental staff and the players themselves. That’s where someone needs to get Laf into Biosteel and working out with Crosby/MacKinnon/McDavid this summer. Kakko working out with Rantanen has obviously helped him.

 

[RGY]

wasn’t he the guy who hired Gallant?

What is your point here? GMs make decision and then make changes.

Florida went from Andrew Brunette who had the Panthers win the President’s Trophy and then went to Paul Maurice.

Vegas has gone from Gallant, who appeared in the SCF, to DeBoer, who they just beat in the WCF, to Bruce Cassidy, who has them back in the SCF.

Boston went from Bruce Cassidy to Jim Montgomery and Boston had one of the best regular seasons ever. I don’t want to hear about the 1st round exit because it does not discredit all success.

All of those teams had minimal changes (to my recollection) in Ownership and/or GM as they went through their coaching changes.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Bylsma is the first name mentioned in here for a while that actually peaked my interest. Especially because I think this is gonna be a 'last chance cafe'' for this veteran group.

Yeah. And a "no chance café" for the young players.

 

[HANK30]

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Who sucks more? Drury, Dolan, Sather, or Jay Monahan? Serious question

1. Dolan
2. Sather

dunno after that ... really in the environment those two create it's hard to judge ... no one looks good.

EDIT - just looked up who Monahan was - did not know him (not a golfer, heh) - wow.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Curious when exactly this was filmed, was this before or after the Post said Roy is not a candidate?

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

Everyone pining for the days of Gorton like he didn’t give Panarin & Trouba 20 million fat ones to hamstring us for the better part of a decade. The board has become unreadable.

Ah yes, I too recall the golden era of HF readability

 

[LORDE]

Truth be told I didn’t even hate those additions. I really wanted Panarin. I was a big proponent. I always liked Trouba. I do think Trouba is overpaid by a couple million. And that couple million is the difference in retaining someone like Mikkola right now.

But the thing is you live with the reality that every President, GM, etc., is going to make moves with their personal opinion sprinkled in on each one even with the staff they surround themselves with. And every single one of them will make a move here and a move there that will be questionable to some extent. And yet here we are listening to people here crucify Drury over the Buchnevich trade, the Goodrow contract, the Kane trade, etc. Those same people are the ones clamoring for the days of Gorton but neglecting Gorton’s shortcomings. They blame Drury so much for the Buchnevich trade in the summer, but why wasn’t he dealt at the deadline by Gorton? Its shameful to ignore that part of the timeline. It was false hope the Rangers were going to do anything that year. That was Gorton’s doing.

This team is not perfect. In fact really no NHL roster is. Not even the ones in the cup final. But with Drury in charge they went to the ECF 2 wins away from a SCF visit. They absolutely should have beat the Devils and there is an extremely strong chance they would have beaten Carolina and Florida after that. They choked. The coaching staff and corresponding system had a lot to do with that. Drury has not been complacent. It is now widely known the interaction he had with Gallant after Game 4. I would rather my GM not settle for less and have the conviction to want and expect more.

Agreed with most of this post but last season’s playoffs were stupid for us.

Should have & in any other yr WOULD HAVE been done in round 1 or two.

The team didn’t play well & got stupid lucky.

Folks need to stop with the praise for last yr. It’s kinda sad.

Tell me when this team beats ANYONE in less than 7 games. Takes a lead then takes the throat?

Atlanta maybe?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They must be holding out for keefe at this point

 

[Megustaelhockey]

They must be holding out for keefe at this point

Sullivan. Didn't someone once call him the Rangers' coaching wet dream?

 

[Crease]

What’s the rush at this point. They have the pick of the litter with the only other opening being Calgary.

 

[Cmox]

What’s the rush at this point. They have the pick of the litter with the only other opening being Calgary.

Gallant was hired around 6/13, I think. So I guess they're keeping the same schedule.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

One of those guys has been our leading scorer every season since we signed him, and is our all time leading scorer on a per game basis.

I'm one of the biggest Trouba critics on this site but if trading Pionk & WPG's late 1st back to them for the guy who ended up being our captain is the biggest blot on a guys record; I don't think that's very damning lol. Look at Drurys record.



Treat Buchnevich like a cap dump for Blais & a 2nd

*Use more money than Buch signed in STL for, on Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves & Blais*

*Blais doesn’t score a single goal as a Ranger & gets fewer shots than Buchnevich gets goals*

Blais, Skinner, 1st & 4th for rental Tarasenko & Mikkola

*Blais scores more than Tarasenko for remainder of the season*

You can criticize the Buchnevich and Tarasenko trades but how can you criticize Drury for Blais scoring more with the Blues than the Rangers? How is that in his control?

 

[EdJovanovski]

You can criticize the Buchnevich and Tarasenko trades but how can you criticize Drury for Blais scoring more with the Blues than the Rangers? How is that in his control?

He traded for a double agent