Rangers have lost 13 out of their last 17 games. What would you do if you were Dolan (the owner of the team) or Drury (the GM)?

Tawnos

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Laviolette isn't the problem in NY. Besides you don't fire a coach who just took this team to a presidents trophy last year.

Laviolette has mismanaged this situation just as much as Drury has. The situation itself might not be his fault, but the way he’s handled it has only exacerbated the problems. Maybe no coach could’ve done better, but he’s the guy there. He’s lost the team completely and I don’t believe it’s possible for a coach to get a team back once that happens. He has to go.

I’ve said before that this collapse has been a group effort. Drury, Laviolette, and the veteran leadership group coming into the season all bear the blame, with varying shares for individual players. Trouba, Zibanejad, Kreider, Fox, Panarin, Trocheck in that order. The only guys I don’t blame are the younger players caught up in the whirlwind of this and veteran newcomers like Smith and Carrick. Saying that Laviolette needs to be fired doesn’t absolve Drury or those veterans, but that doesn’t change anything about his role in it either.
 

Peltz

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Can we talk about how weird it was for Drury to call out the team after a 2 game losing streak?

Seems like all of this started after that. I think he was looking for any excuse to trade Trouba.
After relying on mostly the same lines all last year and the beginning of this year, Lavi also rejiggered all the lines because the top 6 weren't scoring much 5v5. But they were on a winning streak at the time and the 3rd line looked great (so yea let's trade Kakko for nothing 2 months later, that makes sense).

They sort of never recovered from there and started taking a nose dive.
 

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After relying on mostly the same lines all last year and the beginning of this year, Lavi also rejiggered all the lines because the top 6 weren't scoring much 5v5. But they were on a winning streak at the time and the 3rd line looked great (so yea let's trade Kakko for nothing 2 months later, that makes sense).

They sort of never recovered from there and started taking a nose dive.
This kind of tinkering never made sense to me. If the top 6 isn't scoring but you are winning games... that probably means the top 6 is still doing good work. They aren't getting caved in and they are taking that opportunity away from the opposition's top guys which allows for your other guys to score on lesser competition. If the other team keys in on your third line more then... your top guys get more chances to finish.

Looking at lines in isolation when winning or losing is dumb when it's a team game and there's a whole other team out there.
 

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The problem is that they tuned out David Quinn and he was fired in May 2021. They fired Gerard Gallant less than 2 full years later, despite an ECF appearance, in April 2023. Now we’re talking about firing Laviolette, despite an ECF appearance, in December 2024. How many coaches does this group of players get to say “Nah, we know better” to?

I do agree this group has tuned out one too many coaches now. You can't continue trying to turn this roster into anything more than a team that feasts on the PP and otherwise needs to play uneventful hockey to win.

The types of defensive mistakes they're making now though just shows that they're unengaged with the game for whatever reason. Maybe the loss of Goodrow and Trouba has allowed the outside noise filter into their locker room but were better able to tune it out previously.

Lavi may have lost the room, but he lost it worse than the last two coaches somehow. It's actually wild.

This kind of tinkering never made sense to me. If the top 6 isn't scoring but you are winning games... that probably means the top 6 is still doing good work. They aren't getting caved in and they are taking that opportunity away from the opposition's top guys which allows for your other guys to score on lesser competition. If the other team keys in on your third line more then... your top guys get more chances to finish.

Looking at lines in isolation when winning or losing is dumb when it's a team game and there's a whole other team out there.
Agreed. I'll take team wins every time rather than focusing on any individual's production. Even though they struggled 5v5 each year, they at least found a formula to get it done most of the time.
 
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Peltz

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It looks like the Rangers will be making a big offer for McDavid when he hits free agency next summer.

They'd be dumb to plan their team around someone who may or may not hit free agency two off-seasons from now.

McDavid wants to win a cup. He has a better chance of doing that where he is right now than coming here.
 
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SeanMoneyHands

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Laviolette has mismanaged this situation just as much as Drury has. The situation itself might not be his fault, but the way he’s handled it has only exacerbated the problems. Maybe no coach could’ve done better, but he’s the guy there. He’s lost the team completely and I don’t believe it’s possible for a coach to get a team back once that happens. He has to go.

I’ve said before that this collapse has been a group effort. Drury, Laviolette, and the veteran leadership group coming into the season all bear the blame, with varying shares for individual players. Trouba, Zibanejad, Kreider, Fox, Panarin, Trocheck in that order. The only guys I don’t blame are the younger players caught up in the whirlwind of this and veteran newcomers like Smith and Carrick. Saying that Laviolette needs to be fired doesn’t absolve Drury or those veterans, but that doesn’t change anything about his role in it either.

If the players have tuned out Laviolette, then Drury needs to have some balls and do a hefty re-tool on the fly. They started by moving Trouba, now move Krieder and Zibanajed. Listen to offers on Panarin but I still think Panarin is an elite player who can still carry the offense.

I don't think moving Kakko was a good idea. He's young and was just buried in the Rangers depth chart. He will breakout next season or the year after in Seattle because he's going to get opportunities to be in a top 6 role playing on the top 2 lines.

Re-signing Shesterkin to that massive contract is risky long term for a team that currently isn't doing very well. It's obvious now that their plan moving forward is to build the team around Shesterkin.
 

Tawnos

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If the players have tuned out Laviolette, then Drury needs to have some balls and do a hefty re-tool on the fly. They started by moving Trouba, now move Krieder and Zibanajed. Listen to offers on Panarin but I still think Panarin is an elite player who can still carry the offense.

I don't think moving Kakko was a good idea. He's young and was just buried in the Rangers depth chart. He will breakout next season or the year after in Seattle because he's going to get opportunities to be in a top 6 role playing on the top 2 lines.

Re-signing Shesterkin to that massive contract is risky long term for a team that currently isn't doing very well. It's obvious now that their plan moving forward is to build the team around Shesterkin.

Drury needs to do all of that, you’ll get no disagreement from me. He also needs to fire Laviolette, because the coach has lost the players who would still be there too. It doesn’t really matter what order it happens in.
 

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I wouldn’t do anything. I’m guessing that they will be fine. 13/17 amd still barely out of a playoff spot.
They aren’t going to be fine. Advanced stats show that the Rangers have been the second worst team in the NHL (see current rankings at moneypuck.com). They are a fundamentally flawed team.

 

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