Confirmed with Link: Rangers claim Arthur Kaliyev from LA

[kovazub94]

Wow Rangers with a great waiver claim, no risk and good upside. Too bad this is the completely wrong environment for this kid to find his game again. Don't see this working out at all here. Happy to eat crow as always.

"Completely wrong environment"? I don't get it. The Rangers have plenty for their bottom lines depth. I'm pretty sure they put in a claim not to try turning him into another one of those.

 

[SickNice]

Situation is pretty similar to Eeli Tolvanen. They play different games, but both were higher draft picks, with some talent, that showed early success with their respective clubs / affiliates. Seemed to wear out their welcome quickly and ended up on waivers.

Who knows how it turns out, but you don't normally see guys drafted that high show some success and then waived at such young age.

 

[leetch99]

Do you think Kakko earned extra 2 min that he’s been getting from Kraken with their top players while producing on exactly the same per game pace as here? No, but he’s getting his chance to proof himself (and Rangers wrong). Kaliev should get the same look see chance here from the coaching staff and it will be on him to take advantage of it. Is it possible - yeah let’s hope so and if not - he’ll be off to whatever next destination.

Was a heavy duty scrum last night in Seattle game and I think Kakko was fully involved in it started by a Signalthelar spelling LOL....hit from behind ....Devils are a dirty team.....and Bastien was in on the scrum . I was impressed to see KK gloving some punches . I fell asleep for the 3rd period.

 

[leetch99]

True but why would we turn down a free scratch off ticket?

Plus if he went to another team we might be battling with for a playoff spot and then popped in 5-6 game winning goals for that other club.....you know it would be brought up for years .

 

[Machinehead]

Brian Boyle?

Yeah, Brian Boyle.

 

[Nickmo82]

How long before he calls out being healthy scratched and traded for peanuts?

 

[leetch99]

Doyle's the one I think that had problems with the law----just looked it up because I thought it was a rape charge. When he was 19 he got into an altercation with a 21 year old girl---broke her nose and she had lacerations on her face and he smashed up a computer. After that his career kind of hit the skids.

To go further with the story. That happened in 2009 and in 2010 he was before a judge. Turns out Doyle had gone to an ex girlfriend's house and he was drunk and he had an argument with her and smashed her laptop. Apparently his ex-gf had a friend with her and as Doyle left the apartment he slammed the door and the friend was in the doorway and got the door in her face and that's where the broken nose comes in. So in court Doyle pleaded guilty to a destruction of property for the laptop and the judge struck down the assault charge though he did call Doyle as asshole.

WOW....15 yrs ago . Time flies . Likely near the time we drafted Antoine LaFleur goalie ......Rangers always drafted someone from left field !

 

[NickyFotiu]

Plus if he went to another team we might be battling with for a playoff spot and then popped in 5-6 game winning goals for that other club.....you know it would be brought up for years .

Good point. Its a is risk free move so .....

 

[noncents]

Was a heavy duty scrum last night in Seattle game and I think Kakko was fully involved in it started by a Signalthelar spelling LOL....hit from behind ....Devils are a dirty team.....and Bastien was in on the scrum . I was impressed to see KK gloving some punches . I fell asleep for the 3rd period.

yup, Kakko right in the middle of it with Siegenthaler.

50+ point pace with Seattle, finding his groove, playing with pace (different than skating fast) and getting involved. Dumb Rongites "why couldn't he do that with us!? He must've needed the wake up call like JTM!"

no, actually, it's just when you give a guy an opportunity and get him involved, he plays involved.

I remember how before last season it was a constant JV/Varsity setup on this team. ooh the kids line! they're so cute! they're just lil kids!

as soon as the game mattered, late and close, they were stapled to the f***in bench.

over
and over
and over again

i don't care what numbers you're looking at, or whether you think they're excuses. when you tell a player through actions that they don't matter, they won't matter.

 

[McRanger92]

Kakko gets brought up in every thread. Brutal. Happy the guy is doing the bare minimum he struggled with here but do we need a recap for every game he's in, in every thread?

 

[Kravtsov420]

Sometimes you fall into a sewer and find a gold watch. Most times though, you drown.

Can’t fall into the sewer if you’re already in the gutter

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

yup, Kakko right in the middle of it with Siegenthaler.

50+ point pace with Seattle, finding his groove, playing with pace (different than skating fast) and getting involved. Dumb Rongites "why couldn't he do that with us!? He must've needed the wake up call like JTM!"

no, actually, it's just when you give a guy an opportunity and get him involved, he plays involved.

I remember how before last season it was a constant JV/Varsity setup on this team. ooh the kids line! they're so cute! they're just lil kids!

as soon as the game mattered, late and close, they were stapled to the f***in bench.

over
and over
and over again

i don't care what numbers you're looking at, or whether you think they're excuses. when you tell a player through actions that they don't matter, they won't matter.

I forgot whether I read this from one of Kakko's trade threads, but someone said "The team sending a player out looks at what the player can't do. The receiving team has been looking at what that player does do."

With NYR, it felt as though they wanted Kakko to make a role/spot for himself by getting himself more involved and playing better individually/putting up points or something in this vein. They wanted him to impose his will on the game and management would figure things out from there. But that didn't happen and there was no plan B if Kakko didn't pop offensively.

With SEA, they (maybe) have more of a defined role in mind for Kakko based on what they saw. I haven't watched any of his games with SEA though so I have no idea.

 

[McRanger92]

I forgot whether I read this from one of Kakko's trade threads, but someone said "The team sending a player out looks at what the player can't do. The receiving team has been looking at what that player does do."

With NYR, it felt as though they wanted Kakko to make a role/spot for himself by getting himself more involved and playing better individually/putting up points or something in this vein. They wanted him to impose his will on the game and management would figure things out from there. But that didn't happen and there was no plan B if Kakko didn't pop offensively.

With SEA, they (maybe) have more of a defined role in mind for Kakko based on what they saw. I haven't watched any of his games with SEA though so I have no idea.

Some guys just need a change of scenery. Kakko was here for 6 years and it didnt work out. Should've traded him sooner but they gave him a lot of opportunities and he never grabbed them.

 

[Ruggs225]

Kakko gets brought up in every thread. Brutal. Happy the guy is doing the bare minimum he struggled with here but do we need a recap for every game he's in, in every thread?

He struggled here bc we never gave him a leash or the support he needed. It really isnt surprising.

We give the leash to panarin, kreider, and zib. The Pp time goes to them.

And frankly it is just awful.

Panarin doesnt like to play in any type of system. He does what he wants on the ice and it is what it is. He also isnt a “room” tyoe of personality.

Kreider half asses half the games, sucks at 5 on 5 and is basically a one trick pony at tip ins. He also, seems not to care about helping young players acclimate.

Zib is another one trick pony who is just a one timer and also isnt great 5on5. Neither him or kreider also seem to want to play in a system that coaches install bc they cant find anybody to mesh with them.

I swear if we never gave kreider and panarin all the opportunities, and chances and etc, than both Laff and Kakko would be much better players than they are today.

But we didnt want to do an actual rebuild and trade Kreider, or akip signing panarin. So we basically had to play them. But it is at the expensive of the youth.

You cant better by sitting on the bench all the time or playing 3rd line checking. Its also mo wonder that the “kid” line has always looked good because they all played in system and not as individuals like the big three.

This team is so god damn backwards in how we do things its not even funny.

We finally get high picks and do absolutely nothing to help them develop and grow. And then wonder why they arent living up to expectations.

So yes, i want to keep track of Kakko bc him playing well just reinforces the idea that the vets are the single biggest problem in the organization.

 

[noncents]

Some guys just need a change of scenery. Kakko was here for 6 years and it didnt work out. Should've traded him sooner but they gave him a lot of opportunities and he never grabbed them.

yeah totally it was just donning a teal jersey and he's physically transformed and able to make passes to create scoring in a way that he just couldn't here!

 

[McRanger92]

He struggled here bc we never gave him a leash or the support he needed. It really isnt surprising.

We give the leash to panarin, kreider, and zib. The Pp time goes to them.

And frankly it is just awful.

Panarin doesnt like to play in any type of system. He does what he wants on the ice and it is what it is. He also isnt a “room” tyoe of personality.

Kreider half asses half the games, sucks at 5 on 5 and is basically a one trick pony at tip ins. He also, seems not to care about helping young players acclimate.

Zib is another one trick pony who is just a one timer and also isnt great 5on5. Neither him or kreider also seem to want to play in a system that coaches install bc they cant find anybody to mesh with them.

I swear if we never gave kreider and panarin all the opportunities, and chances and etc, than both Laff and Kakko would be much better players than they are today.

But we didnt want to do an actual rebuild and trade Kreider, or akip signing panarin. So we basically had to play them. But it is at the expensive of the youth.

You cant better by sitting on the bench all the time or playing 3rd line checking. Its also mo wonder that the “kid” line has always looked good because they all played in system and not as individuals like the big three.

This team is so god damn backwards in how we do things its not even funny.

We finally get high picks and do absolutely nothing to help them develop and grow. And then wonder why they arent living up to expectations.

So yes, i want to keep track of Kakko bc him playing well just reinforces the idea that the vets are the single biggest problem in the organization.

I agree that the core guys have hampered the development of the young players through the rebuild. Pretty clear even without hindsight that makes it obvious. Lafreniere is salvageable for sure. Kakko I never really saw it. he was never engaged in the game and didnt shoot the puck. He was good "defensively" in that they possessed the puck when he was on the ice but he didnt do very well in the defensive zone. He'll have a long career. we shouldve traded him for Tkachuk.

yeah totally it was just donning a teal jersey and he's physically transformed and able to make passes to create scoring in a way that he just couldn't here!

He never had a 5 points in 8 games stretch in NY? Im willing to guess he did.

 

[leetch99]

Some guys just need a change of scenery. Kakko was here for 6 years and it didnt work out. Should've traded him sooner but they gave him a lot of opportunities and he never grabbed them.

I agree.....he had his chances to get more involved .

 

[noncents]

He was good "defensively" in that they possessed the puck when he was on the ice but he didnt do very well in the defensive zone. He'll have a long career. we shouldve traded him for Tkachuk.

you know, you're allowed to hold an opinion without lying to validate it. We all watch the games and see the numbers. Fabricating some insane mindpretzel that Kakkos defensive prowess was actually bad, or pointing to some "trade idea" a stoned north jersey dad vomited onto HFboards mains repeatedly like a Furbie on the fritz as evidence of anything is ridiculous. i read your posts. this is beneath you.

 

[Ruggs225]

I agree.....he had his chances to get more involved .

No he didnt! He never had a a real chance. He was always yanked first thing. He never was stapled to PP1 and told just play dont worry.

He heas never been on a team that listened to a coach and played the system the coach installed.

He has never had support from vets bc they had no actual leaders.

 

[will1066]

Can’t fall into the sewer if you’re already in the gutter

The sewer is below the gutter, like literally.

 

[McRanger92]

you know, you're allowed to hold an opinion without lying to validate it. We all watch the games and see the numbers. Fabricating some insane mindpretzel that Kakkos defensive prowess was actually bad, or pointing to some "trade idea" a stoned north jersey dad vomited onto HFboards mains repeatedly like a Furbie on the fritz as evidence of anything is ridiculous. i read your posts. this is beneath you.

Relax guy, dont take it so personally with Kakko. For some elite defensively player he never even sniffed the PK. And if it makes you feel better, I'll amend my post to say we shouldve traded Kakko for Eichel, which was a possibility. But Drury didnt want to give up on him then I guess.

 

[noncents]

The sewer is below the gutter, like literally.

you're very clever, young man, very clever. but it's gutters all the way down

Relax guy, dont take it so personally with Kakko. For some elite defensively player he never even sniffed the PK. And if it makes you feel better, I'll amend my post to say we shouldve traded Kakko for Eichel, which was a possibility. But Drury didnt want to give up on him then I guess.

for some elite offensive player Laf has barely sniffed the PP.

you see how it's not up to the player how they're deployed? That's literally the point here.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

From watching some video he appears to be good at finding soft spaces on the ice to get his shot off towards the high slot. That would be a welcome breath of fresh air from the perimeter garbage we see way too much of with this team.

 

[McRanger92]

you're very clever, young man, very clever. but it's gutters all the way down


for some elite offensive player Laf has barely sniffed the PP.

you see how it's not up to the player how they're deployed? That's literally the point here.

You say you read my posts so you obviously know I have been harping on giving the kids more minutes all season long. Lafreniere has always had a higher p/60 at 5v5 than Kakko did. I dont blame Kakko for not making it work with Mika and Kreider but I do blame him for not making it work here on any line he was on. Kakko is in the Lias/Kravtsov boat more than he is the Lafreniere/Chytil boat. I just don't think he was as good a prospect as we all thought. he never showed any dynamism as an NHLer. Only Traverse City.

 

[noncents]

You say you read my posts so you obviously know I have been harping on giving the kids more minutes all season long. Lafreniere has always had a higher p/60 at 5v5 than Kakko did. I dont blame Kakko for not making it work with Mika and Kreider but I do blame him for not making it work here on any line he was on. Kakko is in the Lias/Kravtsov boat more than he is the Lafreniere/Chytil boat. I just don't think he was as good a prospect as we all thought. he never showed any dynamism as an NHLer. Only Traverse City.

we can do chicken egg with "kakko never showed he deserved a real role" - "kakko was never given a real role," but what you wrote and what I responded to wasn't about his p/60.

you denigrated his defensive game by pointing to a lack of deployment on PK - something over which he has absolutely no control. I responded by pointing out the hypocrisy of that argument given you *have* demanded Laf get more PP time.

the fact that you conveniently ignored this winning point surely puts a tally in my column. that brings the score to:

23,588 - noncents
4,276 - kakko
3.112 - kreider
541 - bern
87 - strome
3 - mcranger
2 - nemeth
0 - RF1994