Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Canucks -- 11/3/21

[aufheben]

How do you lose to Vancouver after being up 2-0 going into the third period?

Honestly, maybe I expect too much from where this team is at and where they should be.

No team in NHL history has ever won a game after going into a third period with a 2-0 lead.

 

[egelband]

Ive said it before. You can't have a spilt team in the physicality department and count it as a whole. The top 6 are ultra soft. Winning teams have their superstars actually play hockey instead of leveraging a handful of skill plays every game to get by. Their offense consists entirely of fancy plays and not actually real hockey plays. I honestly think those guys are affecting the kids' development by osmosis and seeing that fancy shit game in and game out.

I think that ideally the bottom three or six can set a physical tone that hopefully the top six/nine carry forward. So far, that’s not happening. Enough.

 

[aufheben]

This is very true.

Although I will say this, AV had certain matchups where the team couldn't do a f***ing thing offensively. It really reared its head in a seven game series. That's certainly something that's been a pattern. Even worse under Quinn and it describes almost every game so far this year.

But the fact that forwards did excel under AV in the big picture means that it probably is fixable with a different approach behind the bench. And I sound like a broken record but it's true -- ten games is barely a sniff for Gallant to put an impression on the team.

It’s not like they didn’t score goals with Quinn either.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No team in NHL history has ever won a game after going into a third period with a 2-0 lead.

That's not the point and you know it

 

[egelband]

Also I notice that, when defending, they’re still slowing down, playing the puck too much. They need to play the body sometimes. Not always, but sometimes just skate at the player. The Rangers are too often mesmerized by the opposition’s puck handling.
I thought this was getting better but I was able to watch yesterday’s game…and it’s not improved much.

 

[aufheben]

This team would look wildly different if Andersson, Kravtsov, Chytil, Kakko, and Lafreniere were developing..well, at all.

I’m struggling to find any other real issue than that. We have ONE point right now between four of them combined.

 

[aufheben]

That's not the point and you know it

It was a joke, and yes, you were correct about expecting too much of this team.

 

[will1066]

I think that ideally the bottom three or six can set a physical tone that hopefully the top six/nine carry forward. So far, that’s not happening. Enough.

The top six need to start at playing actual hockey and not treat games as scrimmages

 

[will1066]

Also I notice that, when defending, they’re still slowing down, playing the puck too much. They need to play the body sometimes. Not always, but sometimes just skate at the player. The Rangers are too often mesmerized by the opposition’s puck handling.
I thought this was getting better but I was able to watch yesterday’s game…and it’s not improved much.

I think that they think taking the body takes too much effort and in an ironic twist slows them down because they'd have to pick up speed after body contact.

They do the wide circle fly-bys looking to chip the puck away from the carrier and into open space so that they can skate into it.

This is an AV-era way of playing

 

[Machinehead]

It’s not like they didn’t score goals with Quinn either.

They scored goals with Quinn by never forechecking, sprinting out of the D zone before we had control, and basically playing NHL 22 IRL.

We started out really tight last year under Martin's defensive package and we abandoned that because we were scoring 1 goal on 18 shots every night.

The problem is that we can't do both. We can't score and play real hockey. That's on an individual and team level.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

This team would look wildly different if Andersson, Kravtsov, Chytil, Kakko, and Lafreniere were developing..well, at all.

Everyday I ask myself "is anyone actually in charge of doing this?"

 

[aufheben]

Everyday I ask myself "is anyone actually in charge of doing this?"

Keep in mind that most prospects fail and often with ultimately no one to blame. You can blame a management group for not buying enough lotto tickets. There’s a lot of grey areas, sometimes things just work out or don’t work out.

You can see in this team’s current flaws the vision Gorton & JD had, by its very absence. This is the time where the prospects I mentioned would have start contributing in their own ways. Panarin & Zibanejad still drive the bus—for now—but the seeds would have begun flowering, and imagining its trajectory would be clear…and exciting.

 

[CLW]

Keep in mind that most prospects fail and often with ultimately no one to blame. You can blame a management group for not buying enough lotto tickets. There’s a lot of grey areas, sometimes things just work out or don’t work out.

You can see in this team’s current flaws the vision Gorton & JD had, by its very absence. This is the time where the prospects I mentioned would have start contributing in their own ways. Panarin & Zibanejad still drive the bus—for now—but the seeds would have begun flowering, and imagining its trajectory would be clear…and exciting.

There is a context here glossed over. Seeds need nurturing to grow no? If the big pigs push the piglets out of the feeding through the piglets won't get the feed they need to grow. Then the big pigs will say too bad and burp.

 

[Machinehead]

There is a context here glossed over. Seeds need nurturing to grow no? If the big pigs push the piglets out of the feeding through the piglets won't get the feed they need to grow. Then the big pigs will say too bad and burp.

This was true last year.

So far this year, Laf and Kakko have been all over the top six.

Laf got looks on the PP and looked like he found out what hockey is yesterday.

 

[CLW]

This was true last year.

So far this year, Laf and Kakko have been all over the top six.

Laf got looks on the PP and looked like he found out what hockey is yesterday.

It's still true right this moment. If the big shots refuse to bend and fail to adapt to Gallant's system and integrate the kids into the Team concept then what's plan B? Kids need to grow, let's hope Laf learned from what happened against Vancouver because that's what he needs to do. Learn and grow.
You talked about this the other day when you pointed at Tampa's model of growing players. The big shots on this team can't just shrug and say f*ck you guys I got mine I'm going to do whatever I want out there.

 

[Machinehead]

It's still true right this moment. If the big shots refuse to bend and fail to adapt to Gallant's system and integrate the kids into the Team concept then what's plan B? Kids need to grow, let's hope Laf learned from what happened against Vancouver because that's what he needs to do. Learn and grow.
You talked about this the other day when you pointed at Tampa's model of growing players. The big shots on this team can't just shrug and say f*ck you guys I got mine I'm going to do whatever I want out there.

I mean, you can absolutely say the veterans aren't buying in and that it's hurting the team. I agree with that.

I don't agree that it's necessarily hurting the young players. They're gotten time. Panarin isn't passing to Kakko because Kakko can't produce NHL offense.

There's an issue with the vets but the kids are a separate issue.

 

[aufheben]

This was true last year.

So far this year, Laf and Kakko have been all over the top six.

Laf got looks on the PP and looked like he found out what hockey is yesterday.

I’m not talking about them playing as top-six forwards, I’m talking about them playing like top-six forwards.

I just can’t see any issues besides the forward depth as more than superfluous. I mean people are concerned about Panarin? Really?

 

[CLW]

I mean, you can absolutely say the veterans aren't buying in and that it's hurting the team. I agree with that.

I don't agree that it's necessarily hurting the young players. They're gotten time. Panarin isn't passing to Kakko because Kakko can't produce NHL offense.

There's an issue with the vets but the kids are a separate issue.

Kakko struggles to produce because Panarin doesn't pass the puck to him. It's a team game. Even Panarin doesn't produce by himself alone.

Truth is Panarin misses too, Zib misses too, Matthews misses too. It's just that they get more opportunities to play because the game revolves around them getting enough chances so they score.

 

[Machinehead]

Kakko struggles to produce because Panarin doesn't pass the puck to him. It's a team game. Even Panarin doesn't produce by himself alone.

Truth is Panarin misses too, Zib misses too, Matthews misses too. It's just that they get more opportunities to play because the game revolves around them getting enough chances so they score.

Panarin passes to everyone. He passes when he should shoot. He does it all the time. Most of his annoying habits are related to over-passing.

There's one guy he never passes too and I think that's because he knows (probably subconsciously) that nothing good is going to come of it.

That's not say Laf and Kakko aren't talented or that I'm giving up on them being excellent players but the issues with them are on them.

 

[CLW]

I’m not talking about them playing as top-six forwards, I’m talking about them playing like top-six forwards.

I just can’t see any issues besides the forward depth as more than superfluous. I mean people are concerned about Panarin? Really?

Panarin is not above criticism is he. Yes, yes we all know he is a superstar offensively.

 

[CLW]

Panarin passes to everyone. He passes when he should shoot. He does it all the time. Most of his annoying habits are related to over-passing.

There's one guy he never passes too and I think that's because he knows (probably subconsciously) that nothing good is going to come of it.

That's not say Laf and Kakko aren't talented or that I'm giving up on them being excellent players but the issues with them are on them.

The issues are team issues. Absolutely they need to adapt to the league and grow, but they also exist in a context where the vets need to adapt and grow.

 

[Fitzy]

Panarin passes to everyone. He passes when he should shoot. He does it all the time. Most of his annoying habits are related to over-passing.

There's one guy he never passes too and I think that's because he knows (probably subconsciously) that nothing good is going to come of it.

That's not say Laf and Kakko aren't talented or that I'm giving up on them being excellent players but the issues with them are on them.

Kakko has not been finding the correct spaces in the offensive zone to be a good target for Panarin.

He's also gonna be a possession driver, not a finisher.

It's a bad fit.

 

[Machinehead]

Kakko has not been finding the correct spaces in the offensive zone to be a good target for Panarin.

He's also gonna be a possession driver, not a finisher.

It's a bad fit.

Seems like Zib-Kakko makes a lot of sense.

Kakko can be a possession driver and he'll have a guy with him who isn't that but needs half an inch and a quarter of a second to finish a chance.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think that ideally the bottom three or six can set a physical tone that hopefully the top six/nine carry forward. So far, that’s not happening. Enough.

I’m hoping a guy like Berard can be our poor mans Marchand when he develops. Smaller guy but plays a bigger/pest game that can hopefully add some offense and be the spark plug for a 2nd/3rd line.
LaF and kakko aren’t really wilting flowers, just still very young.
At 19-20 even know they look the part, I still think they get a little intimidated.
Kreider is fine, he’s not a hitter.
I don’t have a problem with our top 6 as being soft as much as our centers are.
Hopefully Barron improves that. Cuylle might be an eventual Goodrow replacement when he’s gone or can be demoted To 4th line duty in 3-4 years.
But we are charmin soft from 1-4.
Rooney will throw his body around a little, but he’s more of a passenger, rather then a tone setter.
He’ll look good when he’s got 2 guys doing their job on his flanks, but otherwise he’s kind of an after thought.
Zibby just really goes out of his way to avoid all contact nowadays.
Strome will hit you with his purse if you get too close.
And at 6’2 215 chytil will get roughed up by a Girl Scout troop. But he looks the part.
I have faith kakko and LaF will get better as they mature.
But imo, I would be looking for strome and chytil rePlacements asap.
Good thing we have at least 1 in house with barron.
I would love us to get a guy like Jarnkrok for 4th line duty. Richards has potential to fill that role as well.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kakko has not been finding the correct spaces in the offensive zone to be a good target for Panarin.

He's also gonna be a possession driver, not a finisher.

It's a bad fit.

He's gonna finish this time....


He's getting a goal next game...


He's so close.....


A breakout is near....