Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Blues: Better?

[savebyrichter94]

How many goals did the Rangers concede this year as a result of Zuccs bad defense ? As opposed to say, our D-men ?

Zucca is 176 lbs, at 5"7 and all muscle, thats not a small guy

In a league where players are routinely over 6'2" and well over 200lbs, some of whom actually skate better than zuc, that most certainly is small.

 

[Ail]

u must be joking or from norway

i know this is HF Boards and its the hip thing to be an MZA fan but the guy is not an nhler not even close

he's a guy that might put up a few points against the bottom of the barrel teams but anyone with size and speed forget it he's chasing the ball around the field like a toddler chasing his older brothers.

laughable absolutely laughable and for whatever reason this board seems to ignore it

In the running for worst post of the year.

 

[Idlerlee]

How many goals have we scored this year because of Zuccs offense? NONE! He has literally had no effect on the team.

Arguably the best rangers forward in game 1, post in game 2, has set up people infront of the goal who failed to profit.

It baffles me how you can take the fact that he as a playmaker is often dependant on people being able to score the goal for him. Yeah sure he hasnt produced an assist yet, but its obviously going to come. He was at a 0.5 ppg pace last year which is what you'd want to see him do.

It's shocking that this thread is not about getting Dorsett the hell of this team. Rather arguing about a guy that has not hurt the team

 

[savebyrichter94]

In the running for worst post of the year.

I think your's is worse if you're actually implying he isn't at least some what accurate in his description. Why is he immune to criticism? He hasn't produced any more than any other player on this team and like it or not his size plays a factor in his ability to be effective. Why is that wrong to point out and what evidence do you have to the contrary?

I should also add that I'm happy to critique any other player on this team as well. I just give an honest opinion based on what I see. I'm not on a personal crusade against Zuc.

 

[dmjt4160]

Zucc would be fine if we could pair him with a couple dynamic players but they don't exist on our roster. He still brings a great work ethic and playmaking ability that isn't exactly present throughout the lineup.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Arguably the best rangers forward in game 1, post in game 2, has set up people infront of the goal who failed to profit.

It baffles me how you can take the fact that he as a playmaker is often dependant on people being able to score the goal for him. Yeah sure he hasnt produced an assist yet, but its obviously going to come. He was at a 0.5 ppg pace last year which is what you'd want to see him do.

It's shocking that this thread is not about getting Dorsett the hell of this team. Rather arguing about a guy that has not hurt the team

There are many guys that I would like to see off this team. Biron, Boyle, Dorsett, Pyatt and MDZ are among them. That does not excuse the fact that if Zuccarello is not putting up points, he really isn't helping this team very much.

 

[Ail]

I think your's is worse if your actually implying he isn't at least some what accurate in his description. Why is he immune to criticism? He hasn't produced any more than any other player on this team and like it or not his size plays a factor in his ability to be effective. Why is that wrong to point out and what evidence do you have to the contrary?

Calling Zucc not an NHL player is just ridiculous. The entire team has looked like garbage minus Richards, but let's **** all over Zucc. Pyatt, Pouliot, and Asham are legit though. Scoring left and right, playing physical and have great speed. Wait no they're actually terrible.

His criticisms are not at all warranted.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Calling Zucc not an NHL player is just ridiculous. The entire team has looked like garbage minus Richards, but let's **** all over Zucc. Pyatt, Pouliot, and Asham are legit though. Scoring left and right, playing physical and have great speed. Wait no they're actually terrible.

His criticisms are not at all warranted.

Whenever a team plays 3 games like we just saw no player is immune to criticism. I never said those players were doing any better it's just that a few of you want to harp on anyone including Zuc with them because he is apparently infallible.

 

[Savant]

Dorsett cost this game as much as Biron did. I dont know if Dorsett is getting a ton of minutes or it just seems that way because he is always on the camera heading towards the penalty box.

Dorsett has no brain at all, and is killing the team with horrible penalty one after the other.

 

[SA16]

What is going on this thread. Zucc has not even been closer to being the problem. He's been perfectly fine so far this year - he hasn't scored but other than Richards/Callahan basically nobody has scored. He's physical, very aggressive, and a very good passer. Much bigger problems (specifically today) have been Biron (unable to make any saves - 5 hole again), Boyle (again getting overplayed like crazy, is extremely weak on the puck, and can't handle any pass not directly on his stick), Dorsett (WAY too many penalties), Falk (5 mins played today and 4 mins of penalties from dumb plays), and the entire defense as a whole (terrible coverage). Calling out Zucc, and Pouliot for that matter (who has a ton of great scoring chances so far in these games and just hasn't finished yet) really doesn't make sense right now.

 

[smoneil]

You know it's going to be a defensive battle when Del Zotto leads Rangers d-men in ice time.

Yep, he did lead Rangers d-men in ice time. He was also one of only two defenders (actually one of only two players) to finish the game on the + side. He got a couple of shots on goal, and did a great job of keeping the puck in the attacking zone (one of which led directly to Cally's goal).

In a game where Staal, McDonagh and Girardi were steaming piles of crap, the post-game thread is filled with people *****ing about Del Zotto (our best d-man this game) and MZA. It would be amusing if it weren't so predictable.

Oh, and to the posters snarking about people believing that MDZ is an offensive defenseman, he pretty clearly is. The problem is that your line for such a role is Brian Leetch. MDZ is certainly no Leetch, and he's not one of the elite PMD's in the game, but any defenseman who scores near half a point per game is going to be viewed by any non-biased source as a pretty damn good offensive defenseman.

 

[Callagraves]

How many goals did the Rangers concede this year as a result of Zuccs bad defense ? As opposed to say, our D-men ?

Zucca is 176 lbs, at 5"7 and all muscle, thats not a small guy

For frame of reference, I'm 5'11, 175, and with an athletic build, not exactly what you'd call "skinny"

The guy is 4 inches shorter (at least) and my weight (again, at least).

That's one built up hobbit.

 

[trilobyte]

Yep, he did lead Rangers d-men in ice time. He was also one of only two defenders (actually one of only two players) to finish the game on the + side. He got a couple of shots on goal, and did a great job of keeping the puck in the attacking zone (one of which led directly to Cally's goal).

In a game where Staal, McDonagh and Girardi were steaming piles of crap, the post-game thread is filled with people *****ing about Del Zotto (our best d-man this game) and MZA. It would be amusing if it weren't so predictable.

Oh, and to the posters snarking about people believing that MDZ is an offensive defenseman, he pretty clearly is. The problem is that your line for such a role is Brian Leetch. MDZ is certainly no Leetch, and he's not one of the elite PMD's in the game, but any defenseman who scores near half a point per game is going to be viewed by any non-biased source as a pretty damn good offensive defenseman.

He has his talents offensively. I definitely agree. It is too bad that he often makes the same mistakes defensively.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Whenever a team plays 3 games like we just saw no player is immune to criticism. I never said those players were doing any better it's just that a few of you want to harp on anyone including Zuc with them because he is apparently infallible.

I guess when most of the team has been between putrid and bad, you can only criticize the putrid ones.

 

[LeetchisGod]

He has his talents offensively. I definitely agree. It is too bad that he often makes the same mistakes defensively.

They sure don't include running a powerplay or shooting the puck.

 

[GFiP*]

At least we're spared vancouver fans for a few nights, their team is awful, too.

 

[trilobyte]

They sure don't include running a powerplay or shooting the puck.

He does make some good plays keeping the puck in, and I think he has missed the net less percentage wise than before (anecdotal, not measured). He is not a PowerPlay quarterback though, I think everybody can agree by now.

 

[LeetchisGod]

He does make some good plays keeping the puck in, and I think he has missed the net less percentage wise than before (anecdotal, not measured). He is not a PowerPlay quarterback though, I think everybody can agree by now.

He is not a triggerman either so basically he shouldn't be on the powerplay.

 

[savebyrichter94]

In a game where Staal, McDonagh and Girardi were steaming piles of crap, the post-game thread is filled with people *****ing about Del Zotto (our best d-man this game) and MZA. It would be amusing if it weren't so predictable.

The only thing predictable here is the legion of Zuc fanboys over reacting as usual but at least it's still amusing to witness. One poster said something about Zuc and a few other players needing to do more offensively. People chose to ignore the other players named and started defending Zuc so others added their opinion on him.

It's not a witch hunt, it's only taken up so much space in this thread cause people's feelings get hurt when you criticize Zuc like they feel responsible for protecting him.

 

[smoneil]

The only thing predictable here is the legion of Zuc fanboys over reacting as usual but at least it's still amusing to witness. One poster said something about Zuc and a few other players needing to do more offensively. People chose to ignore the other players named and started defending Zuc so others added their opinion on him.

It's not a witch hunt, it's only taken up so much space in this thread cause people's feelings get hurt when you criticize Zuc like they feel responsible for protecting him.

I am completely ambivalent towards MZA, but it baffles me that he would be singled out at all. Regardless of how they did it, the Rangers offense scored three goals tonight against a generally stingy St. Louis defense. With a d-corps like ours, 3 goals should be enough to win the game. Del Zotto, Moore and Stralman did their part. Hell, Del Zotto did more than his part. On a team with McD, Staal and Girardi, MDZ should never have to be relied on to play the most minutes. Yet again, however, McD, Staal and Girardi were just horrible (in fairness, Girardi improved as the game went on). Whether we have Lundqvist or Biron in goal, if the team's top three defensemen aren't going to show up this season, this team will be picking in the lottery.

 

[smoneil]

He does make some good plays keeping the puck in, and I think he has missed the net less percentage wise than before (anecdotal, not measured). He is not a PowerPlay quarterback though, I think everybody can agree by now.

He's the best option we have on the current roster, and he's gotten better each year. People still forget how ridiculously young he is because he's been here for a few years. MDZ's best years are in front of him, not behind.

 

[LeetchisGod]

He's the best option we have on the current roster, and he's gotten better each year. People still forget how ridiculously young he is because he's been here for a few years. MDZ's best years are in front of him, not behind.

Sad but true. Admittedly his defense has gone from atrocious to serviceable but his offense has plateaued.

 

[ltsthinaz]

Is it just that the Rangers are so bad right now, or doesn't it seem like the Western Conference teams have a surfeit of big, fast forwards who can score? (Of course the Rangers don't have any). Seems to me most of the power is out west (probably absenting Boston and Pittsburgh). Looks like the Flyers, Devils, Crapitals all are going to stink this year, and Buffalo is even worse, as are the Panthers.

 

[savebyrichter94]

I am completely ambivalent towards MZA, but it baffles me that he would be singled out at all. Regardless of how they did it, the Rangers offense scored three goals tonight against a generally stingy St. Louis defense. With a d-corps like ours, 3 goals should be enough to win the game. Del Zotto, Moore and Stralman did their part. Hell, Del Zotto did more than his part. On a team with McD, Staal and Girardi, MDZ should never have to be relied on to play the most minutes. Yet again, however, McD, Staal and Girardi were just horrible (in fairness, Girardi improved as the game went on). Whether we have Lundqvist or Biron in goal, if the team's top three defensemen aren't going to show up this season, this team will be picking in the lottery.

Zuc and Pouliot, who I believe was the other player mentioned, have zero points. For players that need to produce offense to be effective that isn't good enough especially when the scores have been pretty lopsided against us. Saying they need to be better, along with other players, isn't the big deal some of you are making it out to be.

Just relax, we get it, you guys love MZA. Feel free to continue your attachment to him, that's your right as fans.

The only ones to single him out were the ones who picked his name out of a list of a few other disappointing players.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Zuc and Pouliot, who I believe was the other player mentioned, have zero points. For players that need to produce offense to be effective that isn't good enough especially when the scores have been pretty lopsided against us. Saying they need to be better, along with other players, isn't the big deal some of you are making it out to be.

Just relax, we get it, you guys love MZA. Feel free to continue your attachment to him, that's your right as fans.

The only ones to single him out were the ones who picked his name out of a list of a few other disappointing players.

You're the only one making a large deal out of anything by calling people Zucc fanboys. It's pretty comical when you are basing your argument on how many goals and points he gets when the entire team has scored less than 11 or 12 goals. Even more that you pick him out of all players.