Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Avs

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Anyone else hate Zucc's decision making sometimes? I've never seen such a smart player make so many stupid decisions. Their best chance in the 3rd (was Boyle's play in the 3rd?) and Zucc passes it to Pouliot on the goalline. I honestly think the guy underrates his own shot. He was in the much better shooting position. The guy's vision is world class but he just makes questionable decisions on the rush.

He'll always have a pass first mentality. He has world class vision, so it definitely works in his favor, but it sucks cause he sometimes decides to not shoot when he should.
 
Anyone else hate Zucc's decision making sometimes? I've never seen such a smart player make so many stupid decisions. Their best chance in the 3rd (was Boyle's play in the 3rd?) and Zucc passes it to Pouliot on the goalline. I honestly think the guy underrates his own shot. He was in the much better shooting position. The guy's vision is world class but he just makes questionable decisions on the rush.

Absolutely maddening. How the 2 of them didn't even get a shot on goal is just beyond words. Stunning.

To me the PP was a big reason they didn't wind up with 2 points. It's not just they didn't score, they looked dreadful through most of them. That's where McDonagh was missed the most.

This is why, although AV's done an excellent job overall, I question some of his personnel deployment. No reason to have by far your best offensive D on the ice late in games up 2 goals. Not when you have Staal available for the left side. Stuff happens when players are frustrated.
 
Absolutely maddening. How the 2 of them didn't even get a shot on goal is just beyond words. Stunning.

To me the PP was a big reason they didn't wind up with 2 points. It's not just they didn't score, they looked dreadful through most of them. That's where McDonagh was missed the most.

This is why, although AV's done an excellent job overall, I question some of his personnel deployment. No reason to have by far your best offensive D on the ice late in games up 2 goals. Not when you have Staal available for the left side. Stuff happens when players are frustrated.

I think that's fair. But we really dodged a bullet. McDonagh just seems to be the toughest MFer on this earth.

Does anyone with a medical background know if Mac just is getting lucky or if he's avoiding injury in some hellacious hits because of how good of shape he is in?
 
I think that's fair. But we really dodged a bullet. McDonagh just seems to be the toughest MFer on this earth.

Does anyone with a medical background know if Mac just is getting lucky or if he's avoiding injury in some hellacious hits because of how good of shape he is in?

Don't know about your second question, but to me it comes down to why even give the bullet a chance? Especially after what happened with Simmonds just 2 games before that. McD was super lucky to come away unscathed. Just not good risk management.

I mean, up 1 goal late or in the play-offs? I can easily understand and agree with that, although that still does a disservice to Staal's defensive ability. These were regular season games, with less than a minute left though. If AV and Ulfie don't have total trust in Marc in these situations, what's the point in committing to a big cap hit for him this summer?
 
Don't know about your second question, but to me it comes down to why even give the bullet a chance? Especially after what happened with Simmonds just 2 games before that. McD was super lucky to come away unscathed. Just not good risk management.

I mean, up 1 goal late or in the play-offs? I can easily understand and agree with that, although that still does a disservice to Staal's defensive ability. These were regular season games, with less than a minute left though. If AV and Ulfie don't have total trust in Marc in these situations, what's the point in committing to a big cap hit for him this summer?

I agree with you. Up 1 though you have to McD. Look at what happened today with Staal's inability to clear. Staal at his best is an elite shutdown guy, but the guy has been up and down this season. That said, up 2, he should put Staal out there.
 
I agree with you. Up 1 though you have to McD. Look at what happened today with Staal's inability to clear. Staal at his best is an elite shutdown guy, but the guy has been up and down this season. That said, up 2, he should put Staal out there.

Yep, like I said, if we're up 1 and McD's out there, I don't have a problem with the decision making. However, in Staal's defense, Danny G had a much easier opportunity for a clear before that and he's always out protecting a lead. Neither play is a big deal in the general scheme of things though, just like Hank being caught a little deep on the goal. Mistakes will happen, they picked up a point against a very good team playing with the advantage of high altitude.
 
This game is a microcosm of what is wrong with this team and why they won't have success in the playoffs.

-Too passive. Passive coach, passive mentality.
-Lack size.
-Lack speed.
-No push back when the game gets physical, they go into a shell.
-Top forwards are not our top forwards, Nash, Richards, St. Louis.
-No offensive defenseman.

This isn't the year. They need a bunch of holes to be filled over the summer.

We lose a tough game to a 100+ point team, on the road, with top 5 offensive talent, and literally all of this is why? It can never be that the team just didn't have a great night, right? If the entire team was 6' 4" 220 lbs and Erik Karlsson on the blueline, Colorado wouldn't have scored those two goals that G royally ****ed up on, according to this post. Jesus christ.
 
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They have consistently rolled over when the opposition is heavier and faster.

Believe what you want. When the playoffs come around and they need contributions from players they haven't been getting contributions from and face heavy teams in 7 game series, don't be so shocked when they go back into their shell.

That's why the Rangers crushed Colorado last game, and they owned the Bruins for like three straight years right? I too love revisionist history.
 
That's why the Rangers crushed Colorado last game, and they owned the Bruins for like three straight years right? I too love revisionist history.

I think that's a reach because we just lost in 5 to the Bruins last year. But if you watch the games this year, we outplayed them in 2 of them. The Bruins did have to play 5 D on a back to back in one of them. Still, we dominated that game. The 6-3 game is not that if Rask isn't superhuman and Lundqvist didn't have one of his worst games of the season. The Bruins actually caught him at a bad time. Something tells me the game is a lot closer to 4-3 SO like the Flyers game if Lundqvist didn't have his short post-Olympic hangover.
 
I think that's a reach because we just lost in 5 to the Bruins last year. But if you watch the games this year, we outplayed them in 2 of them. The Bruins did have to play 5 D on a back to back in one of them. Still, we dominated that game. The 6-3 game is not that if Rask isn't superhuman and Lundqvist didn't have one of his worst games of the season. The Bruins actually caught him at a bad time. Something tells me the game is a lot closer to 4-3 SO like the Flyers game if Lundqvist didn't have his short post-Olympic hangover.

Not trying to get into a debate about this team's playoff performances, but I just love the myth that every time this team faces opposition they roll over and choke. It's a really convenient and substance-void argument to discredit the team.
 
Not trying to get into a debate about this team's playoff performances, but I just love the myth that every time this team faces opposition they roll over and choke. It's a really convenient and substance-void argument to discredit the team.

That's because they're soft and don't have 100 hits every game. Seriously, I hope the Rangers have few hits, means they have the puck a lot. That 11-12 team was really tough though, they lived in their zone but they blocked a lot of shots!
 
BTW, I thought our defense was excellent today for the most part. Since that 8-4 defensive farce we only had one really bad game defensively and that was against Calgary.
 
That goal by Barrie was ****, but I'm happy with a point on the road against a top 5 offensive team, WITHOUT McDonagh. Missing a top 10 defenseman in the world would make any team look worse.
 
Considering I don't see the Flyers going 5-0-1 the rest of the way, if we don't get the 2 spot it won't be because we lost a point to a top team in the league. We have 3 bottom feeders at home coming up. So this game should inconsequential.
 
- Do not dump the puck on the PP when all of your team mates are standing still on the blue line. Just don't. Yes, I'm talking to you Richards.

Girardi did not have his best game. But well one point in Colorado isn't that bad.
 
They have consistently rolled over when the opposition is heavier and faster.

Believe what you want. When the playoffs come around and they need contributions from players they haven't been getting contributions from and face heavy teams in 7 game series, don't be so shocked when they go back into their shell.

I completely disagree with the bolded. There's no factual truth to it.

Should they add size and more importantly, a couple of players with a mean streak capable of logging top 9/top 4 minutes? Absolutely. It would make them a more complete and dangerous team.

However, I can hardly think of any games where they "rolled over" or played scared. Trouble with fast teams? Speed/quickness is one of this team's better attributes.

Most of the losses this season were due to scoring slumps by the team's star/skill players, poor goaltending by Henrik, or a combination of both. Not rolling over to bigger/badder opposition.

Can they grind teams down physically or intimidate anybody? No. Should they get a couple of players who'll make the opposition play with their heads up? Yes. However, I don't think this is a team that shrinks in fear or rolls over because the opposition is bigger.
 
I completely disagree with the bolded. There's no factual truth to it.

Should they add size and more importantly, a couple of players with a mean streak capable of logging top 9/top 4 minutes? Absolutely. It would make them a more complete and dangerous team.

However, I can hardly think of any games where they "rolled over" or played scared. Trouble with fast teams? Speed/quickness is one of this team's better attributes.

Most of the losses this season were due to scoring slumps by the team's star/skill players, poor goaltending by Henrik, or a combination of both. Not rolling over to bigger/badder opposition.

Can they grind teams down physically or intimidate anybody? No. Should they get a couple of players who'll make the opposition play with their heads up? Yes. However, I don't think this is a team that shrinks in fear or rolls over because the opposition is bigger.

It's just a stereotype about the team based on the fact that we have some smaller finesse guys like Zucc and MSL that he took and ran.
 
I fell asleep. How did they look?

1st periods were pretty even. 3rd period they got stuck in their zone and outplayed but the D was solid until the end. OT was even, 1st half controlled by the Avs, 2nd half controlled by us. Shootout, Lundqvist was meh. Shooters weren't good.

BTW, anyone else can see a notable difference in the shootout for Lundqvist the last few years. Not just this year. Hell in his Vezina season he was inexplicably subpar in shootouts. I tracked them and he didn't have 1 shutout during a shootout in 11-12. I remember in 06-07, not his best season, terrible start for him had people thinking he was a one year wonder, but he was unbeatable in shootouts. I wonder what happened.
 
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Meh whatever. Philly is 4 points behind with 2 games less. Even if they win both we still have the tiebreaker.
 
You keep going over Moore play okay we get it ... he didn't make a highlight reel defensive play to stop a two on one...

But The pinch that G made was to a puck he wasn't ever going to to no reason for him to pinch which would never had put Moore in this whole situation

Moore is a third pair defensemen. G is suppose to be a top pair defensemen, No reason for him to take that risk without a forward even high to cover him ....

But your right Moore should have played the defensive play better, maybe you take for granted watching MCD their to cover up G mistakes :help::help:

BTW I'm happy you know so much about hockey must be fun being the captain of your mens roller hockey team

Never played much roller. Played over 15 years of ice, though.

It's a very simple concept. Odd man rushes happen all the time. Multiple times per game. You hardly ever see a NHL defenseman **** up on it as bad as Moore did.

Blaming Girardi shows a fundamental misunderstanding of defensive positioning and defensive play. Nothing more to it than that. If you don't get why it was so bad, I suggest you watch some tape of odd man rushes (or at least play defense in real life). You just don't do what Moore did. Again, it's something you're taught as a little kid. I learned that when I was around 9 years old or so. It's simple defensive fundamentals. Anyone new to the position is always instructed how to handle odd man rushes almost immediately since they are so common.

No one was asking for him to make some crazy play. Just an average defensive play. If you don't get that then I can't help you further.

Not trying to be an ass. But you're just blatantly incorrect and I'm trying to tell you why you are so wrong.
 
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BTW, anyone else can see a notable difference in the shootout for Lundqvist the last few years. Not just this year. Hell in his Vezina season he was inexplicably subpar in shootouts. I tracked them and he didn't have 1 shutout during a shootout in 11-12. I remember in 06-07, not his best season, terrible start for him had people thinking he was a one year wonder, but he was unbeatable in shootouts. I wonder what happened.

I don't keep stats or anything, but to me there's an "eye test" difference in his performance on in-game breakaways. I'm not as concerned with the shoot-out, although it obviously could mean a difference in picking up some extra points.

To summarize, before I expected Hank to stop a breakaway/penalty shot. This season, I hope he does.

Hopefully it's something he can figure out with Allaire over the summer and get back to next year.
 
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