If this is the way that the trade talks are going then the rangers and Canadians will not be making a deal. If all the rangers prospects are untouchables then the rangers may not be making a deal this year
LeBrun: Rangers and Montreal possibly talking trade. Habs interested in NYR prospects
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Drouin is a risk and not likely to return anything regardless of the retention. Terrible work ethics and never reached 60 points. Defensively, garbage with his poor attitude. Playoffs? Left the team during the race to the finals. He was exposed in the Expansion Draft and could have been selected and retained to flip for more assets.
Buyout is more realistic than expecting a 1st or 2nd.
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we can't know if this guy has connections or not
but IMHO I don't believe a deal with such pieces happens without some B/B+/A- youth coming back to NYR
- a la Tuch, Mysek, Dobes, Struble, Jack Smith, etc ....
(Harris, LD leaving NCAA this coming off-season, is not a fit for NYR ...)
i know some guys will want to reply defiant and nasty, but why?
we are all just speculating,
and it's not outrageous for some youth to come back, in exchange for two still-young recent 1st-rounders plus multiple picks ...
but IMHO I don't believe a deal with such pieces happens without some B/B+/A- youth coming back to NYR
- a la Tuch, Mysek, Dobes, Struble, Jack Smith, etc ....
(Harris, LD leaving NCAA this coming off-season, is not a fit for NYR ...)
i know some guys will want to reply defiant and nasty, but why?
we are all just speculating,
and it's not outrageous for some youth to come back, in exchange for two still-young recent 1st-rounders plus multiple picks ...
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I doubt they’re all untouchable. If the Rangers brass feels like they can go for it now, and sacrifice a prospect for someone they believe will help now, they’d do it. It’s just a matter of whether they believe it to be worth the risk and whether the Habs consider the value to be fair.
And teams management view players differently than people on HFboards
Just an absurd passive aggressive statement.
I'd say almost every player not on the roster at the moment can be had in a trade with the exception of Othmann who was recently drafted.
Just because Rangers fans don't want to trade their most recent first round pick for a 3rd line winger does not mean that all their prospects are untouchables.
Kravtsov or Robertson as a base and adding a 3rd would be a very fair return for a guy like Lehkonen. You'll be severely disappointed if you think he's worth much more than that.
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That would be perfect unless we can move Strome for a high pick or good prospect.
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Curious to know what top reporters said about it? Cause this is where the "possible" 1st has come from with Chiarot. Was that something reporters considered of value to the Oilers (Keith trade) like it is with Chiarot today?
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I mean he was the first to get St. Louis as coach which no one saw coming
EDIT: one thing that may be holding this up is that the deal is contigent on one of Lehk/chariot resigning
where did he say he was joking?
apparently he broke St-Louis to Montreal 10 mins before Bob.
edit: didn't see the post above me before writing this.
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Incorrect about Zuccarello, he went for two conditional 1st round picks. One was very easy to meet, he just had to sign with the Stars. The other was also very close, Stars make it to 2nd round.
The league changed the rules after this trade, that 1st became a factor in contract negotiations, and that's not good. Players should not lose money because of this.
Beyond something around Kravtsov for Lehkonen or NYR trading a 2nd+ a worse prospect for Lehkonen I don’t see these 2 teams doing much more business at this point in time.
Lehkonen’s next deal is likely to be around 3-3.5 mill. That’s at the top of the market for 3rd liners.
Goodrow got that In UFA and he was instrumental in 2 cup victories.
as far as Lehkonen comparing to Zucc, Zucc was a known 60pt offensive player. Not a 3rd liner that needs a raise. That’s comparing apples to bowling balls.
if Lehkonen had 2-3 years left at 2.3 million, I think it would improve his value a bit. But I don’t see anyone paying a 1st for him.
Sorry MtL fans.
Good player, good 3rd liner, but the finances matter in these kid of deals. Plus he’s not the only game in town as far as 3rd line players being available at the TDL.
If NYR can’t get him for 1 of the above deals, shift their sights on a different target.
Lehkonen’s next deal is likely to be around 3-3.5 mill. That’s at the top of the market for 3rd liners.
Goodrow got that In UFA and he was instrumental in 2 cup victories.
as far as Lehkonen comparing to Zucc, Zucc was a known 60pt offensive player. Not a 3rd liner that needs a raise. That’s comparing apples to bowling balls.
if Lehkonen had 2-3 years left at 2.3 million, I think it would improve his value a bit. But I don’t see anyone paying a 1st for him.
Sorry MtL fans.
Good player, good 3rd liner, but the finances matter in these kid of deals. Plus he’s not the only game in town as far as 3rd line players being available at the TDL.
If NYR can’t get him for 1 of the above deals, shift their sights on a different target.
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I think Laf will have a better career than Caufield, so i would absolutely be willing to part with him. I think he is the most complete player, though Caufield may score more goals than him as far as i know. Suzuki I'd keep, in majority because he is a C
There is a lot of smoke around the Habs and Rangers.
My sense is Hughes is not a guy like MB to have a 100 lines in the water, so if he is talking this much to the Rangers, then it is serious.
Most importantly , each team has assets the other team can use. Rangers are good enough to make a run, Habs are rebuilding.
Thinking it will be for multiple pieces on either side. Wondering if there will be a surprise player going to the Rangers.
Fun time of year.
My sense is Hughes is not a guy like MB to have a 100 lines in the water, so if he is talking this much to the Rangers, then it is serious.
Most importantly , each team has assets the other team can use. Rangers are good enough to make a run, Habs are rebuilding.
Thinking it will be for multiple pieces on either side. Wondering if there will be a surprise player going to the Rangers.
Fun time of year.
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There was a lot of smoke around the Rangers and Canucks too. Looks more and more like Miller is staying. I think Drury is not going to move anything more then secondary assets. Especially after losing the Buchnevich trade.
Agreed, I think both the rangers and Habs if true are trying to wrap up quickly as there is a lot of smoke on our board around people who've heard things like "chariot is getting traded v. soon, one guys kids is in his dads class and his dad and him we're talking the trade yesterday"
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That tweet sounded more like he wanted St. Louis as the head coach than reporting the news.
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I was not aware he reported the MSL hiring before it happened. Interesting news to me
And as far as the trade and then extension, I always had the hunch that if a team paid us the price we want for Chiarot, the other team might want to talk extension with him where they get him for maybe another 2 or 3 years at a AAV they are OK with (and Chiarot... cause they are asking him to bypass his UFA)
As far as Lehkonen, he has little leverage in the RFA arbitration so if he is traded, the team that gets him has him under team control for one more season and sign/trade might not be required.
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just my feeling, but Chiarot re-signing may NOT be a priority for NYR, LD pipeline is deep,
commmit to Chiarot could near-term affect Jones, Robertson, 2 near-ready top prospects with complementary games, as well as others
