Confirmed with Link: Rangers acquire Patrick Kane, Cooper Zech for 2023 2nd (Becomes 1st in 2024 or 2025 if NYR Make ECF), 2025 4th, A. Welinski; Condt'l 2025 3rd to AZ

[kinger8998]

Those of us who, like me, were traumatized by a decade of complete irrelevancy resulting from moves exactly like this one are the ones shaking fists at the sky.

This is such an exhausted take man.

The Yandle, MSL and Staal deals...Heres what we gave up:

Duclair
J. Moore
2016 2nd
2016 1st
-----
Ryan Callahan
2014 1st
2015 1st
-----
Saarela
2016 2nd
2017 2nd

That is a FAR cry from getting Tarasenko, Mikkola, Motte and Kane for:

WORST of TWO 2023 1st rounders (we still have one)
Blais
2024 4th
Skinner
---
Gauthier
Cond. 7th 2023
---
cond. 2023 2nd (turns into 2024 or 2025 1st if Conf. Finals)
2023 4th
2025 3rd (to ARZ for extra ret.)
---
Kravstov

I'll even include Kravtsov because his trade to Vancouver was all part of the cap gymnastics. But we traded ZERO youth from our system (Kravtsov is almost 6 years removed from being a high draft pick and has like 12 career points and clearly has zero value based on the return). We still have a 1st round pick this year, and 1 in either of the next 2 years (hopefully, because that will mean we made it to Conf. finals or beyond).
We retained Laf, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Jones, Robertson, Othmann, Sykora, and Cuylle, all of our "top" prospects.

THIS is not the same as the 2014 and 2015 and even the Eric Staal deal for two 2nd rounders. I would argue that while ALL the 2014-2016 deadline deals could be viewed as overpays, BOTH of our deals this season were underpays for what we got.

Then again, had we of won the Cup in 2015 with both Yandle and St. Louis on the roster, no one complains. So really, these deals successes hinge on cup or bust, BUT by no account are we emptying cupboards or overpaying in these deals.

Comparing the work Drury has done ESPECIALLY this TDL (and even last year) to the 2014-2016 trades is ludicrous, lazy and tired. If you want to be miserable, cheer for a bottom-feeder, they'll give you plenty of reason to whine about everything. But for real, GTFO with this take that this deadline compares to anything close to when we didn't pick in the first round for 6 years and traded all our prospects away.

 

[will1066]

100%. This isn’t a video game, these guys are colleagues. They’re not trying to shank each other.
Not to mention, as we know, management considers a first round pick currency, not a sacred artifact.

The shit that my brain visualizes... A sweaty Harrison Ford in his hat and whip arrives at a deep cave, sees future considerations but walks by it and tries to grab the booby-trapped first round pick

 

[Atax]

Patrick. Kane.

 

[Luger]

You guys think we can flip Kane for a 1st round pick in 2023?

Yes, but only if we retain 50%.

 

[kinger8998]

This is such an exhausted take man.

The Yandle, MSL and Staal deals...Heres what we gave up:

Duclair
J. Moore
2016 2nd
2016 1st
-----
Ryan Callahan
2014 1st
2015 1st
-----
Saarela
2016 2nd
2017 2nd

That is a FAR cry from getting Tarasenko, Mikkola, Motte and Kane for:

WORST of TWO 2023 1st rounders (we still have one)
Blais
2024 4th
Skinner
---
Gauthier
Cond. 7th 2023
---
cond. 2023 2nd (turns into 2024 or 2025 1st if Conf. Finals)
2023 4th
2025 3rd (to ARZ for extra ret.)
---
Kravstov

I'll even include Kravtsov because his trade to Vancouver was all part of the cap gymnastics. But we traded ZERO youth from our system (Kravtsov is almost 6 years removed from being a high draft pick and has like 12 career points and clearly has zero value based on the return). We still have a 1st round pick this year, and 1 in either of the next 2 years (hopefully, because that will mean we made it to Conf. finals or beyond).
We retained Laf, Chytil, Kakko, Miller, Jones, Robertson, Othmann, Sykora, and Cuylle, all of our "top" prospects.

THIS is not the same as the 2014 and 2015 and even the Eric Staal deal for two 2nd rounders. I would argue that while ALL the 2014-2016 deadline deals could be viewed as overpays, BOTH of our deals this season were underpays for what we got.

Then again, had we of won the Cup in 2015 with both Yandle and St. Louis on the roster, no one complains. So really, these deals successes hinge on cup or bust, BUT by no account are we emptying cupboards or overpaying in these deals.

Comparing the work Drury has done ESPECIALLY this TDL (and even last year) to the 2014-2016 trades is ludicrous, lazy and tired. If you want to be miserable, cheer for a bottom-feeder, they'll give you plenty of reason to whine about everything. But for real, GTFO with this take that this deadline compares to anything close to when we didn't pick in the first round for 6 years and traded all our prospects away.

Also, Julien Brisebois, if you haven't seen his quote on the picks he traded for Jeannot, hits the nail on the head.

Prospect and draft junkies WAY overvalue contending teams 1st round draft picks. Look at Chytil for example. He really only broke out last playoffs, and continued that into this season, his FIFTH full season in the NHL and his 6th since his draft year.

Say you use that same timeline for Tampa Bays 2025 1st rounder they traded for Jeannot, that player wouldn't be a legitimate force (Chytil was good not great in years past, injuries and streaky play derailed better seasons) until 2030-2031. Thats 8 years from this season.

Stamkos would be 41. Hedman 40. Kucherov 37. Killorn 41. Vasilevskiy 36. Point 34. Brisebois is ABSOLUTELY right. Jeannot as an RFA with team leverage is FAR more valuable to the team that has won 2 Cups, been to 3 straight finals, and is looking to maximize this cores Cup Championships during this window.

NO team can perpetually contend for 20 years straight. Even when not swinging for the fences with the "top" or "best" trade deadline addition, it still costs to do what Tampa does in acquire role players with extra term/team control. You HAVE to give to be rewarded in the NHL.

The key is not overdoing it like the Rangers did, or not realizing when the window has closed and doing it 1-2 years too long, although their hand may have been forced with Hank in nets.

 

[Synergy27]

I think we also need to understand that while HFBoards is certainly its own animal now, this place still attracts people interested in Hockey’s Future so we should expect opinions to be biased in that direction.

It’s interesting though. If you stay here long enough, you start to get old, and the future stops being so important…

 

[RGY]

I want the Drury conf call now… lets gooo

 

[Matt Rentfree]

The shit that my brain visualizes... A sweaty Harrison Ford in his hat and whip arrives at a deep cave, sees future considerations but walks by it and tries to grab the booby-trapped first round pick

Can I have your dealer's #?

 

[FultonReed]

is it officially official yet? or just official

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Acquired Kane and Tarasenko and still kept the better of this years’ first rounders.

 

[Boris Zubov]

is it officially official yet? or just official

Just double secret official thus far. The NHL is still running on a single fax machine with a roll of paper that probably needs to be refilled.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

There it is. Emily K says it’s a 2024 or 2025 1st if we make it to conference finals. Not great condition. Would prefer Stanley cup win or finals. But it’s not a 2023 first. So slight victory.

Not thrilled, but could've been worse. Still gave up too much for a player who only wanted to play for the Rangers. General Managers are stupid.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Acquired Kane and Tarasenko and still kept the better of this years’ first rounders.

And all of the top prospects, kids.

 

[FultonReed]

Just double secret official thus far. The NHL is still running on a single fax machine with a roll of paper that probably needs to be refilled.

seriously? still nothing formal?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Man we went through years being happy that Brandon Dubinsky would score 50 points to lead the offense.

We just traded for Patrick Kane and he’s like the 4th best player on the team lmao.

And people are bitching about it.

 

[Doctyl]

Not thrilled, but could've been worse. Still gave up too much for a player who only wanted to play for the Rangers. General Managers are stupid.

Lol we gave up practically nothing

 

[Gardner McKay]

How many times have we committed to building around youth?

Not to go this route with you again, but we have. We're one of the youngest teams in the NHL, our Vezina goalie and Norris defenseman are both still young and in their prime.

 

[EdJovanovski]

And all of the top prospects, kids.

 

[Doctyl]

Not to go this route with you again, but we have. We're one of the youngest teams in the NHL, our Vezina goalie and Norris defenseman are both still young and in their prime.

Seriously. Igor is gonna demand big money when his contract is up even if he’s not playing as well this year. This is the window right now. Not to mention we’re still enjoying Mika, Panarin, and Kreider’s primes.

 

[Irishguy42]

Are they actually going to wait until tomorrow to make the announcement lol

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Lol we gave up practically nothing

I didn't want Kane in the first place, so anything would've been too much LOL

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Twitter and website announcement please?

Chicago players crying on camera please?

Patrick Kane interview saying that he always wanted to be a Ranger because Ranger fans are the best and Blackhawks fans can literally go f*** themselves please?

We don't ask for much.

 

[Miz]

If this hasn't been said already, Drury knocked this trade deadline out of the park

 

[FultonReed]

Are they actually going to wait until tomorrow to make the announcement lol

I sure hope not, we've already been waiting a week.

 

[Machinehead]

Patrick. Kane.

ngl it is cool

Waiting for Wikipedia to say he's on the Rangers