Binnington, Gibson, Saros, Sorokin ... whatever. They're going to have to pay go get it done at this point because Skinner clearly isn't it. After that they can think about other positions but at this point it's a bit like booking a vacation and not having plane tickets. They have to get a goalie.
Proposal: Rakell to Edmonton
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Binnington, Gibson, Saros, Sorokin ... whatever. They're going to have to pay go get it done at this point because Skinner clearly isn't it. After that they can think about other positions but at this point it's a bit like booking a vacation and not having plane tickets. They have to get a goalie.
Dipsy Doodle
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Why would we retain?
If we retained, the return better be a hell of a lot better than a late 1st.
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With Kane coming back and Savoie show some flashes, I don't think a top 6 forward should be a priority for the Oilers, especially at that price. 2RD and 1A/1B goalie should still be the priority. However, it would not shock me to see the Oilers do something stupid like that, which would be better than what I actually expect to happen which is nothing at all.
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ManofSteel55
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I'm honestly shocked, Rakell has had a few down seasons, and I hadn't been following his stats. Great time to sell, now that he's playing at his peak.
Oilers would have to pay to dump Arvidsson! Unless the Oilers eat 40% of his cap…
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I mean, he had 28 goals and 60 points the year before last.
Anaheim's center situation was dire for years before he left - a beat-to-hell Getzlaf and "prime" Zegras, neither of which are exactly world beaters. Since he's been a Penguin and had high end centers to play with, he had one down year - when he was admittedly playing through injury.
He's a complementary winger who can play both sides well, score roughly 30 goals and 60 points when paired with an elite center, and provide solid defense.
Edmonton doesn't have the center depth to dump Henrique. His offence dried up quickly but he's still a main PK C with RNH the other. Henrique is 7th in even strength ice time and 2nd for forwards on the PK. He's more valuable than just points. Certainly not a guy we are looking to cap dump.
We aren't doing a deal like this. We lose our2026 1st (without having a 2025 1st), our top prospect (who's looking near NHL ready), further deplete our center depth all to upgrade one winger position from Arvidsson to Rakell? I have zero interest in moving our few valuable assets without addressing goaltending or the D core. I say this liking Rakell. I'd love to add him but asset wise, we can't do this.
We aren't doing a deal like this. We lose our2026 1st (without having a 2025 1st), our top prospect (who's looking near NHL ready), further deplete our center depth all to upgrade one winger position from Arvidsson to Rakell? I have zero interest in moving our few valuable assets without addressing goaltending or the D core. I say this liking Rakell. I'd love to add him but asset wise, we can't do this.
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Rakell and Arvidsson produce at similar rates, are the same age, with Arvidsson making less and not signed into his mid 30s. I totally get that Rakell is having a much better season, recency bias shouldn’t cost that much.
Empoleon8771
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Then they are by definition not "producing at similar rates".
It doesn't matter what these guys did in 2022 because it's 2025 now. Right now, Rakell is a significant upgrade on Arvidsson.
Arvidsson: .65 P/GP over his career
Rakell: .64 P/GP over his career
They produce at similar rates with this season being an anomaly. Arvidsson was at .83 P/GP last season.
I like Rakell. I'm just saying the gulf between them is not a 1st and an A prospect.
Empoleon8771
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Career stats don't mean anything, what matters is this year. Where Rakell has both more goals and assists than Arvidsson has total points.
You don't win games based on production a player did in 2017. You win games based on who's producing now, and right now Rakell is a significantly better producer than Arvidsson.
He had 15 goals all of last year, that's not the definition of a sniper.... Yes, I know that he once scored 30, but that was like 50 years ago.
Then go for a good stay at home D-man, that's another upgrade they need before a Rakell.
At the end of the day, they should not sell the farm for something which is low on their priority list.
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Last year was not 2017. It's strange that I have to type that. And Pittsburgh isn't winning games now.
Yea, I am pretty sure he is amazing, and he inflates Crosby and/or Malkin's numbers with his laser shot
.65 and .64 are seriously similar rates, and this year is seriously an anomaly. Recency bias is really digging in on this one. Arvidsson still has his motor and still has his shot, so it's not a case of a player hitting his decline with aplomb.
Can find his own zone better than Rakell as well.
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Shh I heard Kevin Hayes and Tom Wilson produce at similar rates and so should have similar value because recent production doesn't matter.
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Finally something we can all agree on.
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I’d love to have Rakell on the Jets. There’s talk of the Jets 1st being available as well as Barlow and Russian prospect Rashevsky. Any interest there?
I’d hate to give up Barlow when he’s doing what’s been asked of him which is improving his all around 200 ft game. He still possesses a wicked shot with a goal scorer’s touch and would be a nice sniper in the middle 6 and PP 2 in a couple years. That said, This may be the best Jets team we see in a long time. They need to add a player to help give them scoring depth that pushes them over the hump.
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