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OT: Raise the Jolly Roger: Congrats to the Houston Cheaters on their win
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No matter what happens this year, we took both series from LA.
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So weird to have the Dodgers number this year. What a bunch of weird wankers this team is.
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I used to be a Bae fan. Not anymore, not after looking into his indiscretions. It's very likely this colors my perception of him as a player, I'm not expecting much from him.
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Caught some spring training games with Keller. He was throwing a sweeper. It looked great, kind of reminded me of a slow cutter. This is exactly the kind of stuff that keeps me on the Keller train. Apparently I am the most patient guy on any message board though....
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I'm not sold on him at the plate yet, but man I like this kid in Right Field. We've had so many s*** Right Fielders over the years....
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Marcano hit homers against Buehler and Urias. That's a hellova combo to start your career HR list off of haha.
He has also shown great ability in LF, and is always hustling down the line. I've loved his effort.
He has also shown great ability in LF, and is always hustling down the line. I've loved his effort.
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Keller's upside isnt that high. We are going to get external pitching and have a couple more prospects up. If he isn't one of our 5-6 best, he won't be here.
Glasnow was at least holding his own by the end of his Pirates tenure. And we all know Glasnow had much better raw stuff/potential.
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Keller can't locate pitches. That was so abundantly clear last night as it is most starts. Even when he threw strikes a good number of them weren't in the location the catcher wanted. And it's not just the fastball. It's everything. He was very fortunate to get out of that game with 2 runs against, given he walked 5 and hit a guy in 5 innings. Especially against that lineup.
Again, props for getting out of a few huge jams. Results matter and he was at least better than many other starts. But again, being better is still a guy who's giving up 1.5 base runners per inning.
Can we get Shane Baz back lol?
Again, props for getting out of a few huge jams. Results matter and he was at least better than many other starts. But again, being better is still a guy who's giving up 1.5 base runners per inning.
Can we get Shane Baz back lol?
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2022 MLB Mock Draft 1.0: Which son of a former MLB star goes No. 1 overall?
It's time for our first look at how every first-round selection in this July's draft will play out.
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Just a little over a month until the draft, and another plugged in guy has us taking Lee at 4. Notes that most in the industry say the Pirates are looking the college route with Lee, Parada, and Cam Collier the 3 names we're targeting.
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I managed to catch the ending of Monday's game live from Italy (at like 6:30am, which I guess is probably easier to do that watch it during EST) -- glad to catch the most exciting game of the year, and that we kept it up yesterday. I think in general, things have flashed more exciting as the young players have started to come up.
I'm firmly off on Keller now after really buying back in during spring training, but I will say that the sinker he was throwing last night is nasty. The most positive-sounding thing I can muster is what I think Mackey was suggesting, i.e., that he's been told he has to throw this pitch or he's on his way out, and thus needs to dial in the command. But the command has simply never been there for him. Due to a dearth of options, we pretty much need him to keep getting some kind of innings, but he's got a long way to go before he convinces me now. The sinker is a good development I think, because if he's able to mix it effectively with the four seam and slider, then he can get enough whiffs and bad contact to at least throw in the middle of the rotation.
It'll be interesting to navigate the next call-ups in terms of playing time. Cruz's minor ankle injury will certainly keep him down until super two is comfortably behind us, but Bae's been really consistent. Castro probably needs to end up as the guy who goes, in order to ensure there are enough ABs (including for him). I'm with @Gallatin in terms of not liking Bae due to his past, but I have constantly been impressed by him... I wonder if there's actually a world where we buy a starter at the deadline and then pony up to extend him.
Something has to give with the pitching, and while I'd bet the internal "plan" is much more to have tons of multi-position guys who you can shuffle through (including between AAA and MLB), maybe we can use the depth to help us out. Montas would be a dream in PNC Park, and it would be a sign that this team is actually getting serious. As much as I'd want to see us pony up for Musgrove in free agency, it's just not happening, though I guess it's probably fair to note that trading for Montas and then extending him is basically the same thing except you give up an asset. At this point, I'm on team "hope Quintana can string together some veteran great years in PNC Park" (extend him) and "add someone who can help shoulder impact innings, plus pray to everything holy that Roansy and Mike Burrows can stay healthy.
I'm firmly off on Keller now after really buying back in during spring training, but I will say that the sinker he was throwing last night is nasty. The most positive-sounding thing I can muster is what I think Mackey was suggesting, i.e., that he's been told he has to throw this pitch or he's on his way out, and thus needs to dial in the command. But the command has simply never been there for him. Due to a dearth of options, we pretty much need him to keep getting some kind of innings, but he's got a long way to go before he convinces me now. The sinker is a good development I think, because if he's able to mix it effectively with the four seam and slider, then he can get enough whiffs and bad contact to at least throw in the middle of the rotation.
It'll be interesting to navigate the next call-ups in terms of playing time. Cruz's minor ankle injury will certainly keep him down until super two is comfortably behind us, but Bae's been really consistent. Castro probably needs to end up as the guy who goes, in order to ensure there are enough ABs (including for him). I'm with @Gallatin in terms of not liking Bae due to his past, but I have constantly been impressed by him... I wonder if there's actually a world where we buy a starter at the deadline and then pony up to extend him.
Something has to give with the pitching, and while I'd bet the internal "plan" is much more to have tons of multi-position guys who you can shuffle through (including between AAA and MLB), maybe we can use the depth to help us out. Montas would be a dream in PNC Park, and it would be a sign that this team is actually getting serious. As much as I'd want to see us pony up for Musgrove in free agency, it's just not happening, though I guess it's probably fair to note that trading for Montas and then extending him is basically the same thing except you give up an asset. At this point, I'm on team "hope Quintana can string together some veteran great years in PNC Park" (extend him) and "add someone who can help shoulder impact innings, plus pray to everything holy that Roansy and Mike Burrows can stay healthy.
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I haven't really followed anything closely, so I'm curious for your and other takes on the question, but I honestly can't shake the feeling that we need to swing a little bigger with our pick, and avoid the college bats this time around. It seems like there's 0 chance Jones lasts until our pick, but a reasonably good chance that one of Green or Johnson does, and my gut wants us to go with one of them.2022 MLB Mock Draft 1.0: Which son of a former MLB star goes No. 1 overall?
It's time for our first look at how every first-round selection in this July's draft will play out.
Just a little over a month until the draft, and another plugged in guy has us taking Lee at 4. Notes that most in the industry say the Pirates are looking the college route with Lee, Parada, and Cam Collier the 3 names we're targeting.
It now seems like Johnson is just getting pushed down for no major reason, but having a guy with his hit tool as a longer-term prospect to build around makes a lot of sense. And Green has seemingly answered some of the swing and miss questions, and is exactly the kind of talent you want when you are picking high.
I dunno, I do get the college batter profile as a general kind of strategy, but I think with the chance to take a high upside prep guy, you do so and hope to have a little bit of depth concentrated around that player, Solometo, Chandler, and White, for example. It does seem like Kiley is much more on top of things, as the FG board is clearly well out of date at the moment.
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Prospect for prospect trades never happen, but maybe Cruz is the exception here.
Jarred Kelenic? A starting pitcher of note (Montas as you mentioned?)
Any orgs still think he can play short?
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After going the "safe" route with our last 2 first rounders, yeah, I'd be interested in swinging for the fences at 4. That's exactly the spot you take a high upside kid IMO. Last year's class is really off to a hellova start. Look at what Davis, Lawlar, and Mayer are doing right now. Lawlar and Mayer both HS players of course.
I think the only bummer over the last few years, is that there wasn't a big time arm we could have had, beyond Leiter (who's been getting hammered lately) and I understand why we took Davis and still love the pick and strategy. Just need to hope Davis isn't going to be one of those guys always hurt because he can clearly impact a baseball in a major way offensively.
At the end of the day I think the Bucs will do whatever they think allows them to maximize talent based on the pool they have available to them. I'd rather not take Parada, if only because he seems like even a bigger reach to make the MLB as a C (vs Davis). Cam Collier is very interesting as he's a 17 year old in JC and apparently will be playing in the Cape this summer as well. Hard to find a ton on him but that's pretty damn impressive for a 17 year old and he's a physical specimen, LH hitter. He's a guy I could see as a swing for the fences pick at 4, while saving money as Collier seems to be mocked in the 7-10 range mostly.
Yeah, it's a bit odd on Termarr Johnson. Not a whole lot written about him, other than some people question the talent he's facing. Kiley thinks he's Devers, which is obviously a huge comp but notes others see a maxed out (physically) HS bat who's faced less than stellar comp vs someone like Green or Jones, as far as HS guys go.
The O's at 1 are such a wild card. Jones is pretty much the consensus #1 pick, but the O's have often looked to save big money at the top of drafts. Jones won't fall past 2 either way. He's the only player I'm 100% sure we don't have a shot at.
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Marcano being comfortable in LF is a really welcome development, I was really jaded on moving IF to the OF because of how bad so many of them looked trying it. If Marcano can follow the same career paths of Harrison and Frazier, which was basically "super utility player that became a starting 2B", that would be a really nice development.
Even if he sticks just as a super utility guy, that's a useful skillset to have.
Even if he sticks just as a super utility guy, that's a useful skillset to have.
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Also, that Frazier trade is looking better and better. Marcano and Suwinski have obviously been welcome additions, although we'll see how they develop going forward, but look at what Frazier has done since the trade. He didn't do much for San Diego last year, then they traded him for much less than they paid and he hasn't done much for Seattle this year.
Even if Marcano and Suwinski just end up depth guys, getting 2 cost controlled depth guys for what Frazier has been since the trade is a really nice haul. You're not shooting for the stars with getting some sort of high upside piece, but you're getting 2 should be MLBers there.
Even if Marcano and Suwinski just end up depth guys, getting 2 cost controlled depth guys for what Frazier has been since the trade is a really nice haul. You're not shooting for the stars with getting some sort of high upside piece, but you're getting 2 should be MLBers there.
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Hopefully the one in which he currently plays does... I wouldn't move Cruz at all, the upside is too great. I think there's too much noise around Cruz because the expectations got so high, but he's the kind of player for whom the narrative is going to coalesce once he's actually called up and playing in MLB. Even if you include the horrible month he had, he's still well above average for a shortstop offensively.
He'll probably move off shortstop eventually, but it's not something to be overly concerned with now IMO. The comparative value he provides offensively as a shortstop is simply worth the defensive missteps, even if ultimately, you see Peguero or someone else pushing him off the position. He makes a ton of very difficult plays and errors are just too isolated of a stat.
Bae seems more like the kind of player that could be dangled in a trade, especially given that the FO must be pretty enamored with Marcano given that they targeted him in the Musgrove trade and now he's starting to heat up. They are similar type of players, though I think Bae probably has a little edge in terms of his speed.
That said, the organizational philosophy is obviously mimicking how the Rays tend to work in terms of having 4 million interchangeable, multi-positional guys on the roster, so I'm hesitant to do all that much speculating about any trade scenarios, especially since trading for someone like Montas only makes sense if the ownership is ready to finally put their money where their mouth is. It's more likely that we'll keep shuffling through guys and not really settling on firm positions for anybody not named Hayes, Reynolds, or whoever is catching.
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Yeah, this makes sense based on the little I've been able to read -- thanks. I am really hoping that we don't go with the pool-saving approach this time around, but it's hard to look at what we've consistently done and think there's no chance we repeat it, so we'll see.
With Johnson it just seems like fatigue more than anything else. For my money, the hit tool is the one thing you can't teach a guy, and then Green's upside is just too enormous. I have to do more due diligence, but if we have the chance at one and pass for a "safer" college bat, I'll be disappointed. It does seem like the O's are likely to save money, and that there's no scenario where Jones falls (and if he did, I think it would then take some doing to actually sign him, because he'll rightly want overslot from #4). Holliday seemed like the guy who was getting hype recently, enough that it actually seems likely that at least one of Green or Johnson makes it to #4.
In any case, over six weeks left is still an eternity in terms of draft jockeying, doubly so in a year like this where it's pretty nebulous what kinds of tiers there are. I think there's too much evidence pointing to the fact that we prefer the college route. Part of me wants to say that the Davis decision was a one-time play, but that kind of thing is also probably an organizational philosophy, so especially if we aren't enamored with one of the prep guys, it makes sense to count on it happening.
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Burrows was utter shit today, which is a nice reminder that guys will have shit performances from time to time, even the players who've been as good as Burrows has been.
Gonzales out tonight (was pulled last night with a leg issue) so we'll have to keep our fingers crossed it's nothing too serious. Still no Henry Davis. Cruz dinged up. Top prospects having a tough go of it right now.
In better news Quintana (knock on wood) is basically Cherington's Liriano right now. Obviously JQ needs to hold form (honestly he could regress a bit and still be an easy plus pitcher) to reach Liriano's longevity for us but I will continue to highlight these dirt cheap signings that are paying dividends in a big way.
I like Hayes in the leadoff role. He's a smart baseball player and when he's on, is about as good a 1 as you'll find. Happy to have VanMeeter making me eat my rantings about punting him to the moon.
Gonzales out tonight (was pulled last night with a leg issue) so we'll have to keep our fingers crossed it's nothing too serious. Still no Henry Davis. Cruz dinged up. Top prospects having a tough go of it right now.
In better news Quintana (knock on wood) is basically Cherington's Liriano right now. Obviously JQ needs to hold form (honestly he could regress a bit and still be an easy plus pitcher) to reach Liriano's longevity for us but I will continue to highlight these dirt cheap signings that are paying dividends in a big way.
I like Hayes in the leadoff role. He's a smart baseball player and when he's on, is about as good a 1 as you'll find. Happy to have VanMeeter making me eat my rantings about punting him to the moon.
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