Quinn Hughes vs Cale Makar: 2023 Edition

[Rowlet]

Regular season or playoffs ?

Nashville showed you dump it in Quinn’s corner and play the body and he shrivels

Hughes had 59%cf (+17rel), 58%ff (+16rel), and 58.5%xG (+12.5rel) in the playoffs.

I guess "shriveling" includes having better possession stats than the regular season, as well as having better possession stats than McDavid.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Just trust me bro. When he's on the ice his team gets more shots. So he's better.

Thanks now I don't have to watch a single game and can go bash the other player , man I love advanced stats , don't even have to watch a minute of hockey to know what i'm talking about and pass it off on here as gospel!

 

[NeverForget06]

Hughes had 59%cf (+17rel), 58%ff (+16rel), and 58.5%xG (+12.5rel) in the playoffs.

I guess "shriveling" includes having better possession stats than the regular season, as well as having better possession stats than McDavid.

You're right I'd rather have the guy with zero goals but better possession stats than the guy who scored the 4th most points in a single playoff run in the history of the NHL

I almost think you're trolling me here

 

[dirtydanglez]

oh boy another hughes vs makar debate.

 

[Romang67]

You're right I'd rather have the guy with zero goals but better possession stats than the guy who scored the 4th most points in a single playoff run in the history of the NHL

I almost think you're trolling me here

You said Hughes shriveled in the playoffs. Don't go and get all upset when someone posts stats that go against that narrative.

 

[Rowlet]

You're right I'd rather have the guy with zero goals but better possession stats than the guy who scored the 4th most points in a single playoff run in the history of the NHL

I almost think you're trolling me here

Yes, it's true, facts have a pro-Hughes bias.

You said he shriveled in the playoffs and I showed you the actual stats, because yes, he performed better than he did in the regular season, and yes, he had better possession numbers than McDavid, both by raw numbers and by relative to team.

edit: also I never said Hughes was better than McDavid, but that they controlled play at similar levels during the playoffs.

 

[Muffin]

How far away is Hughes from Makar? About thissss far? Where you going Quinn?

 

[Three On Zero]

Its always been Makar. Hughes is great, but Makar is a tier above.

Tier above is a stretch, Makar is still the better player but it isn’t by a tier. It’s marginal

How far away is Hughes from Makar? About thissss far? Where you going Quinn?

Followed up by……

 

[Muffin]

Tier above is a stretch, Makar is still the better player but it isn’t by a tier. It’s marginal


Followed up by……

Are we posting clips now?

 

[Three On Zero]

Are we posting clips now?

Not the “haha gotcha” moment you think it is. I said Makar is better.

 

[Phrasing]

Are we posting clips now?

You posted the first clip… supremely dumb comment

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Makar will always have 2022. And nobody can take that away from him.

Hughes will have every year since then. This is Quinn Hughes league now.

 

[Nabrules]

In totality Makar has still been better overall but for the past 15 months or so Hughes has been the better player.

 

[centipede2233]

In totality Makar has still been better overall but for the past 15 months or so Hughes has been the better player.

I agree.hughes is an analytics darling. I know makar has more pts this year but Hughes leads the nhl in all the analytic stuff

 

[NeverForget06]

You said Hughes shriveled in the playoffs. Don't go and get all upset when someone posts stats that go against that narrative.

Yes, it's true, facts have a pro-Hughes bias.

You said he shriveled in the playoffs and I showed you the actual stats, because yes, he performed better than he did in the regular season, and yes, he had better possession numbers than McDavid, both by raw numbers and by relative to team.

edit: also I never said Hughes was better than McDavid, but that they controlled play at similar levels during the playoffs.

You can yap all you want about possession numbers but he scored zero goals.... Stanley Cups aren't won based solely on xGF - you need to be able to compete physically for four rounds and I don't think he can do it

 

[Rowlet]

You can yap all you want about possession numbers but he scored zero goals.... Stanley Cups aren't won based solely on xGF - you need to be able to compete physically for four rounds and I don't think he can do it

I mean.... sure I agree with that, but I never said he did, you're fighting a scarecrow.

You said he shriveled and you were wrong. He played better than he did in the regular season.

 

[eviohh26]

Oh boy. Hughes fans vs Makar fans. This should be real fun.

 

[Phrasing]

Makar will always have 2022. And nobody can take that away from him.

Hughes will have every year since then. This is Quinn Hughes league now.

No it’s not

 

[Romang67]

You can yap all you want about possession numbers but he scored zero goals.... Stanley Cups aren't won based solely on xGF - you need to be able to compete physically for four rounds and I don't think he can do it

So you're basing your claim about "shriveling in the playoffs" off of how he had 0 goals scored?

A statistic?

What you think or don't think he would be able to do over 4 rounds hardly seems relevant in whether he shriveled last playoffs.

 

[Ace of Hades]

In totality Makar has still been better overall but for the past 15 months or so Hughes has been the better player.

The most truthful post in this shitshow poll.

 

[Tralfamadore]

How far away is Hughes from Makar? About thissss far? Where you going Quinn?

What were his possession stats on that shift though?

 

[Phrasing]

What were his possession stats on that shift though?

Sounds like someone’s throwing a tantrum for not liking stats that doesn’t favor their favorite player. Each player has their strengths and weaknesses. No shame in admitting that.

 

[benfranklin]

The amount of Canucks fans who need to whip it out for no reason comparing these two. Im actually excited to watch Quinn and the gang whoop Canada's ass in Italy in 2 years.

The most truthful post in this shitshow poll.

Hmm show me some advanced analytics dong backflips of how he has been better the past 15 months. Points wise, it appears close, but he is still lacking as he has his entire career.

Quinn: 97 GP - 20g 88a 108p 1.11 ppg - 91.3 point 82 game pace
Cale: 95 GP - 27g 88a 115p 1.21 ppg - 99.3 point 82 game pace

 

[Phrasing]

The amount of Canucks fans who need to whip it out for no reason comparing these two. Im actually excited to watch Quinn and the gang whoop Canada's ass in Italy in 2 years.

Hmm show me some advanced analytics dong backflips of how he has been better the past 15 months. Points wise, it appears close, but he is still lacking as he has his entire career.

Quinn: 97 GP - 20g 88a 108p 1.11 ppg - 91.3 point 82 game pace
Cale: 95 GP - 27g 88a 115p 1.21 ppg - 99.3 point 82 game pace

Hughes has been more sound defensively. Strictly offense, he’s not quite as good. Unless you’re forgetting who won the Norris.

 

[Rowlet]

Hmm show me some advanced analytics dong backflips of how he has been better the past 15 months. Points wise, it appears close, but he is still lacking as he has his entire career.

Quinn: 97 GP - 20g 88a 108p 1.11 ppg - 91.3 point 82 game pace
Cale: 95 GP - 27g 88a 115p 1.21 ppg - 99.3 point 82 game pace

Since the start of the 23-24 regular season to today at 5v5:

Makar:
CF%: 53.24%
FF%: 52.85%
G%: 52.15%
XG%: 53.71%
HDCF: 53.81%
HDGF: 45.78%
O-Zone start: 70.21%

Hughes:

CF%: 58.15%
FF%: 56.03%
G%: 62.64%
XG%: 56.05%
HDCF: 54.99%
HDGF: 62.86%
O-Zone start: 60.09%

I even went ahead and included o-zone starts despite them being generally useless, because I know how much you like them! Makars are good, but Hughes' are just flat out better in every instance.