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Player Discussion Quinn Hughes, Pt. VII

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Pretty obvious that Quinn is basically a one-handed hockey player out there right now......but still puts up two points and plays 25-minutes.

He's a superman, and not even a kryptonite injury can slow him down. An absolutely unreal player.....and easily the Hart winner, except that he probably won't be no matter how he plays.
 
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AlainVigneaultsGum said:
Daily reminder that we have the best defenseman in the NHL on our team.
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I made a case for Quinn Hughes winning the Norris and Hart narrative on Reddit.

Gotten some decent traction. Hopefully some media members are reading. They're still living in the past when Makar was top 5 in NHL scoring in like the third week of the season.

He deserves a second straight Norris at the very least.
 
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SillyRabbit said:
I made a case for Quinn Hughes winning the Norris and Hart narrative on Reddit.

Gotten some decent traction. Hopefully some media members are reading. They're still living in the past when Makar was top 5 in NHL scoring in like the third week of the season.

He deserves a second straight Norris at the very least.
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The fact that he is not the clear Norris favourite is ridiculous. There is really no legitimate argument for Makar at this point. As usual, MSM are braindead.

He should be firmly in the Hart discussion too. He IS the Canucks. They're a lottery team without him.
 
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bossram said:
The fact that he is not the clear Norris favourite is ridiculous. There is really no legitimate argument for Makar at this point. As usual, MSM are braindead.

He should be firmly in the Hart discussion too. He IS the Canucks. They're a lottery team without him.
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That's what set me off lol. The NHL writers having Makar ahead in their Norris poll from two days ago.

Literally all they do is look at the scoring leaders and see 49 points for Makar to 47 points for Hughes and say "Okay, Makar is clearly the best defenceman this season!"
 
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That's what set me off lol. The NHL writers having Makar ahead in their Norris poll from two days ago.

Literally all they do is look at the scoring leaders and see 49 points for Makar to 47 points for Hughes and say "Okay, Makar is clearly the best defenceman this season!"
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They had a quote that was literally, "Makar brings more offense" yet Quinn literally has a higher points-per-game. Completely braindead.
 
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bossram said:
The fact that he is not the clear Norris favourite is ridiculous. There is really no legitimate argument for Makar at this point. As usual, MSM are braindead.

He should be firmly in the Hart discussion too. He IS the Canucks. They're a lottery team without him.
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Agreed with this. If he were on the current Avs side with Mackinnon playing the way he is Hughes puts up 120pts
 
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PuckMunchkin said:
Also Makar is bigger so he is obviously better defensively.
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I was researching their metrics a few days ago, and it seemed like Makar is actually better than Hughes defensively (this year). Maybe @bossram has some data in this regard?

Hughes is just much better than Makar offensively that he is able to pull ahead overall.

That is my understanding at least.


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Aside: Hughes-Myers has a xGF% of 56.8... This could allow for a Forbort-Hronek 2nd pair...
 
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Bleach Clean said:
I was researching their metrics a few days ago, and it seemed like Makar is actually better than Hughes defensively (this year). Maybe @bossram has some data in this regard?

Hughes is just much better than Makar offensively that he is able to pull ahead overall.

That is my understanding at least.


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Aside: Hughes-Myers has a xGF% of 56.8... This could allow for a Forbort-Hronek 2nd pair...
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If you look at something like EH's RAPM model (which is basically relative Corsi/xG with some zone starts and competition built into the model), Makar does edge Hughes in terms of xGA. Hughes' offensive metrics rate (literally) off the chart though. But by HockeyViz's Isolated Impact, it rates Quinn with a slightly better defensive impact.

The models likely rate Quinn's offensive impact (much) higher because he literally is the Canucks' offense. Without him on the ice, they generate nothing. Whereas the models are probably assigning a lot of the Avs' creation credit to the likes of Mackinnon, Rantanen, etc.
 
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bossram said:
If you look at something like EH's RAPM model (which is basically relative Corsi/xG with some zone starts and competition built into the model), Makar does edge Hughes in terms of xGA. Hughes' offensive metrics rate (literally) off the chart though. But by HockeyViz's Isolated Impact, it rates Quinn with a slightly better defensive impact.

The models likely rate Quinn's offensive impact (much) higher because he literally is the Canucks' offense. Without him on the ice, they generate nothing. Whereas the models are probably assigning a lot of the Avs' creation credit to the likes of Mackinnon, Rantanen, etc.
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Hughes is 1st in Rel Goals % for Dmen.

I wonder if Makar is getting docked in those models for starting in the Ozone on 23.4% of his shifts? (1st in the NHL among regulars)

It's interesting to me that while the Norris usually goes to the highest producer, no one in their right mind would hold Ozone start % against either Norris candidate. However, slide that scale down a bit in terms of talent, and then its 'PPQBs are getting butter-soft minutes while not being good defensively'...? The sport has changed, but the traditionalist methodology of evaluating players never leaves.

Hughes: The one thing I thank Benning for.
 
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Bleach Clean said:
Hughes is 1st in Rel Goals % for Dmen.

I wonder if Makar is getting docked in those models for starting in the Ozone on 23.4% of his shifts? (1st in the NHL among regulars)

It's interesting to me that while the Norris usually goes to the highest producer, no one in their right mind would hold Ozone start % against either Norris candidate. However, slide that scale down a bit in terms of talent, and then its 'PPQBs are getting butter-soft minutes while not being good defensively'...? The sport has changed, but the traditionalist methodology of evaluating players never leaves.

Hughes: The one thing I thank Benning for.
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You should thank Ken Holland for his dinosaur way of thinking. You can thank Jimbo for Demko and Brock.
 
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ExarKun80 said:
You should thank Ken Holland for his dinosaur way of thinking. You can thank Jimbo for Demko and Brock.
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Well Benning still didn't have to pick Hughes, so credit to him that he did. He could have parroted the 'that's a small body gentlemen' a la Brian Burke.

Demko I'm mixed about considering he botched Virtanen and McCann.

I'd have been pretty disappointed if he didn't get one of Konecny or Boeser in 2015, but yes, good on him there too.
 
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