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Quinn Hughes is having a Hart caliber season

benfranklin said:
How you tell me you havent read the previous 15 pages without telling it directly.
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It's weird how some people think that if a bad take is repeated enough that somehow it gains some truth?

That might happen in social media but in reality Quinn has been the best all around defender this year and maybe missing games might keep him from winning the Norris, not 15 pages of bad takes.
 
benfranklin said:
Reminder that Quinn Hughes is a defenseman who plays as little defense as possible.
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Canucks LB said:
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It's okay. He just has an incredibly archaic view of what it means to play a particular position in today's NHL.

Ben Franklin: Defensemen need to do X, Y and Z. They HAVE to.

Modern day humans: um, sure. But they can also do A, B and C. And this guy does A, B and C so well he helps his team more than some of the best X, Y, Z players in the league.

Ben Franklin: hurr durr...defensemen big and strong. Must stand in front of net, push people hard, only thing matters.
 
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Joe Rogan said:
Quinn Hughes now has 1 more point than Makar in 8 less games. The reason why Makar is a regular on the PK is because the Refalanche D-Corps is absolute ass, having ECHL level garbage in Keaton Middleton and Girard as regulars.

Makar is the uncle Rico of the nhl. Peaked early and people constantly bring up how good he used to be lol. Quinn Hughes has been better offensively and defensively for 2 years now, and that's without riding Mackinnon and Rantanen's jockstraps


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This dude gets it right. ;)
 
Grifter3511 said:
It's okay. He just has an incredibly archaic view of what it means to play a particular position in today's NHL.

Ben Franklin: Defensemen need to do X, Y and Z. They HAVE to.

Modern day humans: um, sure. But they can also do A, B and C. And this guy does A, B and C so well he helps his team more than some of the best X, Y, Z players in the league.

Ben Franklin: hurr durr...defensemen big and strong. Must stand in front of net, push people hard, only thing matters.
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The thing that I don’t get is that the argument is never complete. Like, Hughes doesn’t play as hard minutes as some other defensemen, mostly due to team makeup (though definitely not sheltered minutes like he tries to claim because of misusing zone starts). Ok, that’s fair, so how do those somewhat easier minutes affect his production and on-ice results and do they negate his advantages there? That’s the second part of the argument that’s always missing. Instead everything he does is somehow dismissed as “doesn’t play defense”, which is nonsense
 
Tralfamadore said:
Canucks are doing great without him. Might not be so valuable to his team after all.
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Normally I hate this argument. Typically, when your star player goes out, the rest of the team puts in more effort and can sometimes carry the load....however, the only reason I'd mention it here is simply because of all the commentary Hughes fans come with....he's the "only" thing going for that team, he "is the team", etc., etc. I simply don't think he should be in Hart contention (not saying no votes, but just not finalist in my opinion)....but....because of all those comments: 0.564 with him in the lineup and 0.625 without him.
 
Toby91ca said:
Normally I hate this argument. Typically, when your star player goes out, the rest of the team puts in more effort and can sometimes carry the load....however, the only reason I'd mention it here is simply because of all the commentary Hughes fans come with....he's the "only" thing going for that team, he "is the team", etc., etc. I simply don't think he should be in Hart contention (not saying no votes, but just not finalist in my opinion)....but....because of all those comments: 0.564 with him in the lineup and 0.625 without him.
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Yes I don't necessarily agree with your assessment on Hughes but an elite player will stand out more when he's the only thing going for his team. A guy can earn an MVP award from that position but he shouldn't earn it because of it.
 
RandV said:
Yes I don't necessarily agree with your assessment on Hughes but an elite player will stand out more when he's the only thing going for his team. A guy can earn an MVP award from that position but he shouldn't earn it because of it.
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What don’t you agree with? I didn’t really give much of an assessment other than to say he’s not in my top 3 for Hart contention. So he’s in your top 3?
 
Toby91ca said:
Normally I hate this argument. Typically, when your star player goes out, the rest of the team puts in more effort and can sometimes carry the load....however, the only reason I'd mention it here is simply because of all the commentary Hughes fans come with....he's the "only" thing going for that team, he "is the team", etc., etc. I simply don't think he should be in Hart contention (not saying no votes, but just not finalist in my opinion)....but....because of all those comments: 0.564 with him in the lineup and 0.625 without him.
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What we're seeing now is with another 1.5 pairing defenseman added though. Prior to this, Hughes was the only NHL level defenseman playing for the Canucks for most of the season with Hronek out.

It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Since jettisoning Desharnais being able to bench Juulsen, and adding a #2-3 in M Pettersson and D Pettersson being able to hold his own, the team looks like it can actually make a pass.
 
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Defensemen rarely win the Hart trophy. There is a pretty big chance Makar wins the Norris as well, especially if he scores 30 goals.
 
So sad he has a better chance at the Hart than the Norris because he doesnt play any actual defense. Should just made a hybrid position for him.

Freudian said:
Defensemen rarely win the Hart trophy. There is a pretty big chance Makar wins the Norris as well, especially if he scores 30 goals.
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Hes been the better defenseman this season by a wide margin. Quinn gets sheltered o-zone starts and doesnt play any PK. Right there you should be DQ'd from Norris contention.
 
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benfranklin said:
So sad he has a better chance at the Hart than the Norris because he doesnt play any actual defense. Should just made a hybrid position for him.


Hes been the better defenseman this season by a wide margin. Quinn gets sheltered o-zone starts and doesnt play any PK. Right there you should be DQ'd from Norris contention.
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It's ignorant posts like these where I lose hope in Hughes ever getting another Norris. Seems a sizeable population in the east can't be bothered to watch his play and update their ingrained impression of a player from 2022-23 and continue to parrot outdated viewpoints.

Ben Franklin invented bifocals, maybe stay up late, put those on, and watch a Canuck game after the 4 nations. And if you're from Vegas, you have no excuse. Hughes is very competent defensively, better than Makar.
 
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John Mandalorian said:
With the year Werenski is having, this has become a crowded room for the Norris.
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Best ability is availability “ remember nucks fans”. This is a two horse race, you’re not going to win any awards if you don’t play. Lankanin has been as valuable to the Canucks success this year.
 
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