Quinn Hughes 5 min major for hit on Josh Norris

[57special]

Seemed like a pretty weak shove, but with a large effect. It happens.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

That's a two

 

[hatterson]

Rule 41.3 for a major boarding call says see rule 41.5 at the end of it.
41.5 is clear , player is out of game if injury to face.

Yes. It says see 41.5 because in certain circumstances where 41.3 is applied, there is also a required extra penalty, but that doesn’t remove the discretion from 41.2 vs 41.3

This is most easily noted by the existence of a match penalty for boarding that doesn’t make any reference to injury and is based on attempt to injure.

If a major was *required* for a head/face injury, then it would necessarily mean that a referee couldn’t instead apply a match penalty but would be forced to give out the lesser penalty of major+game instead of the more severe penalty of match, which is obviously ridiculous.

By rule, assessing a boarding penalty is a potentially three step process.

Step 1 - Was there a deliberate attempt to injure the other player? If yes, match penalty.
Step 2 - If no deliberate attempt to injure, was “the degree of violence of the impact with the boards” worthy of a minor penalty or a major penalty? If minor, issue 2 minute minor regardless of any potential injury.
Step 3 - If major, was there an injury to the head or face? If yes, also apply a game misconduct. If no, only a 5 minute major.

Now, as I said, in practice referees almost always default step 2 to being “was there an injury?” Instead of a subjective analysis of the degree of violence of the impact, but the rules do not require them to do that.

 

[NailsHoglander]

Had no choice, if an injury (ie cut and stitches in this case) from boarding, it’s a major and a game.
See rule 41.5 I think

Even though it’s been said a dozen times or more in thread. Apparently no one is reading.

Makes sense if the league were run by AI bots but humans have the ability to use a thing called discretion

 

[SSCBLUEJET]

Shame they didn't give him 2 minutes.
Then he could have ran for his life the remainder of the game.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yes. It says see 41.5 because in certain circumstances where 41.3 is applied, there is also a required extra penalty, but that doesn’t remove the discretion from 41.2 vs 41.3

This is most easily noted by the existence of a match penalty for boarding that doesn’t make any reference to injury and is based on attempt to injure.

If a major was *required* for a head/face injury, then it would necessarily mean that a referee couldn’t instead apply a match penalty but would be forced to give out the lesser penalty of major+game instead of the more severe penalty of match, which is obviously ridiculous.

By rule, assessing a boarding penalty is a potentially three step process.

Step 1 - Was there a deliberate attempt to injure the other player? If yes, match penalty.
Step 2 - If no deliberate attempt to injure, was “the degree of violence of the impact with the boards” worthy of a minor penalty or a major penalty? If minor, issue 2 minute minor regardless of any potential injury.
Step 3 - If major, was there an injury to the head or face? If yes, also apply a game misconduct. If no, only a 5 minute major.

Now, as I said, in practice referees almost always default step 2 to being “was there an injury?” Instead of a subjective analysis of the degree of violence of the impact, but the rules do not require them to do that.

Now you’re getting it step 3 takes precedence over anything on a boarding call. Refs got it right by the rule book.

Step 2 you made up , if minor regardless of injury.


41.2 cannot be applied here

41.5 is the play, the refs had no choice. If you want the rule changed, say so, but that’s the rule.
The 5 and game with a facial injury was called by the book.

Cheers we’re done, your struggling with the rule book.

 

[hatterson]

Now you’re getting it step 3 takes precedence over anything on a boarding call. Refs got it right by the rule book.

Step 2 you made up , if minor regardless of injury.


41.2 cannot be applied here

41.5 is the play, the refs had no choice. If you want the rule changed, say so, but that’s the rule.
The 5 and game with a facial injury was called by the book.

Cheers we’re done, your struggling with the rule book.

It's actually impressive to watch someone be this determined to be objectively wrong about what a rulebook says. Cheers.

 

[Heldig]

It looks like Elliote doesn't know the rules. My understanding of the rule is that it says if a major is imposed and there's an injury, it's an automatic game misconduct.

They could have rescinded the original penalty to a minor.

While Norris maybe went down easily it was a shove in the back that caused him to go face first into the dasher board and get injured.

Seems to me it was the correct call.

Now, if there was disciplinary action as well, that would be a bad call.

 

[M2Beezy]

Sens still lost to a Canucks team missing Miller, Boeser, Demko and Hughes

And Forbort

 

[Vasilevskiy]

that's 2 min textbook call lol

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

NHL is soccer now

 

[robsenz]

No follow through on that, 2 minute minor

 

[Paddys Pub]

First he became an offensive juggernaut.
Then he added in defensive specialist.
Worked on his shot and has it over 90mph.
Now, he is working on becoming a physical monster.
Look out league. Quinn in coming and you won’t like him when he’s angry!

 

[biturbo19]

Notorious goon. Wildly inappropriate soft bump from behind-ish. Throw the book at him imo.

 

[Coffey]

Can’t believe the baby faced assassin tried to kill that man. I hope they throw the book at him and he doesn’t see the ice until game 82.

 

[Straight Fire]

I expected a hacking of bone at least

That was more of a tapping the app

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

This game was clearly judged on results of checks. Hughes got a 5 for a mild boarding because they saw blood but Stutzles hit on Hoglander should have been a 5 and a suspension but because Hoglander managed to position himself to prevent himself from ending up paralyzed Stutzle didn't even put the Canucks on a powerplay ffs.

The Stutzle hit was as dumb of a hit as you can possibly make in the NHL and he clearly intended to put him through the boards ten feet away from it (similar to the Cousins hit that got him suspended). Absolutely reckless hit that had an extremely fortunate outcome.

 

[Fripp]

One of the softest major calls I've ever seen.

 

[TGWL]

There's no embellishment there. He missed the puck and you can see his skates cut back, so the slightest bump like that is going to send him forward. He got his stick in the wrong place and the shove is a penalty. 5 mins, no, dont agree unless there was legit injury on the play. But still probably a minor penalty and definitely no embellishment.

 

[vcanuck]

And Forbort

don't forget our best shutdown defender - Desharnais

It's 2 minutes. There's no embellishment there. He missed the puck and you can see his skates cut back, so the slightest bump like that is going to send him forward. He got his stick in thr wrong place and thr shove is a penalty. 5 mins, no, but still a minor penalty and definitely no embellishment.

yeah all Canuck fans knew it was a penalty, we just didn't expect the life sentence that was thrown at him

 

[olafsson]

Lmao. What kind of a shove is that?

 

[blankall]

Norris is also 6'2" and 200lbs. He conveniently hits the boards in a way that his entire chin and face doesn't connect with the boards and his head is totally upright.

 

[Hansen]

Absolutely viscous hit

I hope I never see that player step on the ice again

 

[Zanon]

Absolutely viscous hit

I hope I never see that player step on the ice again

Throw the book at him!

 

[wetcoast]

While Norris maybe went down easily it was a shove in the back that caused him to go face first into the dasher board and get injured.

Seems to me it was the correct call.

Now, if there was disciplinary action as well, that would be a bad call.

The problem was that players get pushed from behind all of the time in those situations, many times with more force and violence so the rulebook is an automatic like flipping the puck over the glass in one's own zone...that would seem absurd but hey it's the NHL so whatever.

The NHL should be penalizing actions not unfortunate outcomes were any normal person can see the lack of violence clear as day.

The Canucks prevailed but there should be zero additional penalization here as it would be just doubling down on stupid.