Question for Season Ticketholders

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7% not to mention the annual 5% increase. I guess the question is how much it would cost to purchase seats to the SCF in the event we ever get back there. A game 7 at MSG would no doubt go for a pretty penny.

I have had Seasons for 8 years now. I had listed my Finals ticket on Stubhub and I actually sold the first 2 games at a $500 per ticket profit and I have 6 seats. Unfortunately we all know what happened against the Devils:cry:
If the Rangers make the finals the ticket prices for the series will be insane especially the later games. That being said I wouldn't recommend getting seasons with the intent on making money. Wall St. is booming so playoff tickets will always be hot. I hope MSG reconsiders and start to offering more 10 game packages in the future like they used to.
 
Also, I find it ironic that this sudden decline in demand for Ranger's hockey is coming when every other major NY sports team just had a disappointing season. You would think the Rangers, being the last bastion of hope for NY sports, would drum up some additional interest.

Despite these surprises during the reg season, I'd definely expect that to be the case if (when!) we make the POs this year.
 
If you buy season tickets looking to make money off them you take a risk. You can't complain if you lose money. That's your risk. I've been stuck with some extra concert tickets that friends backed out of and they were way more expensive than Ranger tickets and I found out that even though they sell out in a heartbeat getting your money back on big ticket items like Paul McCartney, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel etc. isn't as easy as you'd think.
 
were you watching in October? so called fans were running Hank out of town and looking to trade in Callahan for a bucket of pucks

Indeed I was, and it's now a few weeks from Feb. If teams were still putting up 6-8 goals a game on us, I don't think you'd have to look far for the answer.

And as many have stated already in the thread, we're not holding season tix as an investment, looking to profit. We're fans of the team and want the option for first access to PO tix. So, when you start losing your shirt for the first time in decades (according to a few long time STH's), you start to wonder what's going on.
 
Indeed I was, and it's now a few weeks from Feb. If teams were still putting up 6-8 goals a game on us, I don't think you'd have to look far for the answer.

And as many have stated already in the thread, we're not holding season tix as an investment, looking to profit. We're fans of the team and want the option for first access to PO tix. So, when you start losing your shirt for the first time in decades (according to a few long time STH's), you start to wonder what's going on.

I would be more than satisfied if I could easily break even at the end of the regular season. This year and going forward a part of the problem is the balanced schedule. Thats's 14 out of 41 regular season home games that most fans don't want to buy tickets for.
Then next year there are the 3 preseason games that add 7% to you per ticket cost for the regular season games. I am definitely not in it to make a profit. I would like to break even and then be able to buy my playoff tickets for face value. I own 4 seats so when the playoffs come around I can sell 2 of the 4 to offset the high price of the playoffs even at face value. It is also becoming a very time consuming chore to sell tickets. I will have to do the math to see if I went to 20 of the choice games and bought them on Stubhub for face value or less would I save enough money to offset the price of playoff tickets. Last year you could also get most playoff games near face value if you waited until a few hours before game time.
 
2nd year STH

My son and I are in section 214 and we are in the black..we have been to 5 games and have sold the rest. Our net profit has been $20 per seat. We do craigslist. Stub hub.
It was slow in November ...but pretty good the other months even the horrid December. Looking at the profile of guests in our section I liken them to casual
Fans... a lot of our of towners wanting to visit msg. Price is key...need to be in bottom third pricing.
 
I am in section 217 and so far this year i have sold and made enough to cover a couple games i went to.
Stub Hub is the best place to sell, but you have to keep an eye on prices and charge enough to make a little but not so much to price yourself out and scramble.
I used craigslist as well...its a bit of work...i would love to find partners and split up the season tickets.
 
The problems this year with resale are a combination of things:

1) Last year tickets were scarce because of 24 home games. STHs were able to name their price and got overconfident. This year there's 41 games, so plenty to choose from and buyers can be more selective. Sellers kept prices too high and by the time the game came around it was too late and it became a race to the bottom

2) Prices went up AGAIN. Face values are way too high. There's only so much people will spend over an entire season. More games x higher prices = less games people have money to go to

3) Stubhub pricing structure is now "all-in" to the buyers. That means the seller has to take a full 26% fee hit off the listed price. When sellers try to raise prices to compensate, they get undercut by other sellers who know buyers will not pay the higher listed amount. Take home goes down for everyone

4) People were really down on the team at the beginning of the season. New system, learning curve, and a bad start by Hank meant less excitement & demand to pay a premium for tickets.

All good points. Could I add one?

5) We are now competing with the Rangers in the secondary ticket market. The Rangers are advertising 'limited number of tickets' for games and directing people to ticketmaster. There are people out there who think ticketmaster is the safer choice.

I have been to about 10 games this year and I am getting blasted on stubhub, compared to previous years. In the games I have sold I am down about $150 cumulatively below face. I just want face for those games I dont go to and I think those days are ending. Especially when prices go up again next year.
 
I have had season tickets since 1998. Aside from the first year, I have generally sold anywhere from 20-30 games per year. I have only eaten 5 tickets. 1 was the first year. My friend got sick at work and by the time I found out, it was too late to find anyone. Another was in 2003, a Sunday evening game against Colorado. I got sick during the day, and it was before you could email tickets to people, and I couldn't get the tickets to my friend. The final 2 were just after Xmas in 2010 when we had the snowstorm. Express busses weren't running and I had no way to get into the city. Wasn't going to risk driving as I was afraid of what the parking/driving situation would be.

I was in the 400s and now I am in the higher rows of 213.

My advice concerning the lower bowl is the same thing I would tell people thinking of buying a Mets or Yankees package. Get them under 2 conditions. 1) You plan to go to most game, I would say at least 35. 2) You have a few people you can split them with AND they will put up money up front.

In year's past, I generally had 3 different guys to whom I would sell ticket packages, anywhere from 5-8 games. This year, I took on a 4th because my wife and I had a baby in October and I wasn't sure how practical it would be to go to games. I sell them to these people for face value and mix up the games. Generally if you take 5, you'll get one premium (isles, pens, flyers, etc.) 2-3 mediums and then 1 or 2 games that nobody wants (calgary, edmonton, phoenix, etc.) I will usually wind up with 3-4 games after I take what I want to attend, which I will sell to co-workers or the people who sit around me. Of the 4 people to whom I sold this year, only 1 did I know previously. 2 I got in touch with on here, one on another rangers site (think I originally met him in an old Yahoo group/club). The day the schedule is announced, I email the people to whom I sell. Ask for any days/dates that are no good and their preferences. Pick the games I want, and then put together a few packages. Email each person and within a few days get an email saying that the package is fine.

Despite getting 2 buyers on here, most of the time I have found posting tic for sale on here is an exercise in futility. Most on here, imo, are looking for a discount or want only the popular games. Even had 1 clown email me bothering me to sell him the opener, flyers, penguins, and isles. Told him they weren't available and he just could not comprehend. First offered me double for the home opener, then asked for the whole season. Three-four years ago, I posted I had 5 games and wanted to sell them all to one person. Someone pm'd me asking, "could you give me a discount on the price if I take all 5 games." When I explained I am selling for face value, as in I was not making any money and if I give him a discount I would be losing money, he didn't understand why that was an issue.

If you are one of the people who thinks, "well, I really can't afford these tickets. So, I will sell some for double and then lower my cost.." All I can say is you are a sucker. it doesnt work. If you are buying tickets more expensive that you can afford just to get your foot in the door, then you are a sucker. Chances of you moving to cheaper seats are slim.

For me, I just find it is easier to deal with a few people then try to sell on stubhub or the ticketexchange and try to make money. The first year of the ticket exchange, I made some money selling a few games, but I certainly did not break the bank. I know another guy with seasons in the same price point as mine ($53). He keeps about 15 games, sells 5 to one guy, 5 to another and then tries to make money on the rest. Drives himself (and me) crazy because he will post games on the exchange, then constantly lower/raise prices a few dollars here and there. Not sure how he thinks the aggravation is worth the few bucks he makes.
 
All good points. Could I add one?

5) We are now competing with the Rangers in the secondary ticket market. The Rangers are advertising 'limited number of tickets' for games and directing people to ticketmaster. There are people out there who think ticketmaster is the safer choice.

I have been to about 10 games this year and I am getting blasted on stubhub, compared to previous years. In the games I have sold I am down about $150 cumulatively below face. I just want face for those games I dont go to and I think those days are ending. Especially when prices go up again next year.

we have been dealing with this since the ticket-exchange started. where are your seats?
 
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The problems this year with resale are a combination of things:

1) Last year tickets were scarce because of 24 home games. STHs were able to name their price and got overconfident. This year there's 41 games, so plenty to choose from and buyers can be more selective. Sellers kept prices too high and by the time the game came around it was too late and it became a race to the bottom

2) Prices went up AGAIN. Face values are way too high. There's only so much people will spend over an entire season. More games x higher prices = less games people have money to go to

3) Stubhub pricing structure is now "all-in" to the buyers. That means the seller has to take a full 26% fee hit off the listed price. When sellers try to raise prices to compensate, they get undercut by other sellers who know buyers will not pay the higher listed amount. Take home goes down for everyone

4) People were really down on the team at the beginning of the season. New system, learning curve, and a bad start by Hank meant less excitement & demand to pay a premium for tickets.


Now that the team is playing better, prices will be more stable. Also lots of sellers have been knocked down a peg (eating just one game will do that to you) and are more realistic with their prices. That means less glut and a more efficient market.
agree on everything except point 3, but will get back to that in a minute. Point 4 is definitely an issue if you are going to try to sell games as the season progresses. MOST fans are very fickle. Lose 2-3 games and they hate the team and won't spend their money on this "lousy" team. Win 3-4 games and people want to go games.

On point 3, it doesn't make sense. My seats are $53. To get $53 on stubhub, I have to list for $62.36. Which the buyer then pays $68.60. If anyone tries to undercut me, they are going to take a loss. Besides, what game can you get on stubhub for $68.40 in the upper 200s? Assuming you are not looking for a single.
 
To get $53 on stubhub, I have to list for $62.36. Which the buyer then pays $68.60. If anyone tries to undercut me, they are going to take a loss. Besides, what game can you get on stubhub for $68.40 in the upper 200s? Assuming you are not looking for a single.

People are taking losses every day. It sounds like you haven't been buying/selling on stubhub recently
 
Indeed I was, and it's now a few weeks from Feb. If teams were still putting up 6-8 goals a game on us, I don't think you'd have to look far for the answer.

And as many have stated already in the thread, we're not holding season tix as an investment, looking to profit. We're fans of the team and want the option for first access to PO tix. So, when you start losing your shirt for the first time in decades (according to a few long time STH's), you start to wonder what's going on.
For you it is simple, your tickets are too expensive. At $118 there is very little room for profit on the premium games. The better majority of fans are not going to pay that much for a regular season game. I would contact your rep, let them know what you are experiencing. Let them know at these prices, you are not renewing. Doubt it will get your prices lowered, but it can't hurt to at least send the email.
 
People are taking losses every day. It sounds like you haven't been buying/selling on stubhub recently

you're right. I am not selling on stubhub. I am smart enough to get rid of my tickets ahead of time. When I do sell on stubhub or the exchange, I generally have them sold within 2 days of posting. Then again, I am not trying to squeeze every possible dollar out of the tickets.

But, looking at the Blues game, the cheapest pair in the upper 200s is $73. A profit, albeit a small profit, over the STH price after fees.

At what price point are people taking a loss? Lower bowl? Definitely. Upper bowl? Maybe the first two rows. Find it hard to believe the upper rows of the upper bowl are taking a loss. But, I have been saying for a while buying lower level seats is not a good move if you are not going to every game, or at least most.
 
you're right. I am not selling on stubhub. I am smart enough to get rid of my tickets ahead of time. When I do sell on stubhub or the exchange, I generally have them sold within 2 days of posting. Then again, I am not trying to squeeze every possible dollar out of the tickets.

But, looking at the Blues game, the cheapest pair in the upper 200s is $73. A profit, albeit a small profit, over the STH price after fees.

At what price point are people taking a loss? Lower bowl? Definitely. Upper bowl? Maybe the first two rows. Find it hard to believe the upper rows of the upper bowl are taking a loss. But, I have been saying for a while buying lower level seats is not a good move if you are not going to every game, or at least most.

I believe most of what was said is spot on.

In general, the lower priced tix are easier to sell than higher priced seats. There just are more buyers who can afford to pay the price. Two years ago my seats cost $63 / per. My average selling price was $100/per game and they easily sold.

My seats now cost $100/per and maybe my average selling price is up to $130 . Therefore, margins have been cut. Now, any profit is basically gone after factoring in costs. As the price rises stubhub takes a larger share and fewer buyers are interested. Thus, any increase price, next year, will turn my subscription into small losses.

I hold onto the tix with the intent to breakeven on the games I fail to attend. I am paying for the games I do see. That's OK with me. I do have a call on playoff games so I do have a benefit. I will drop my subscription when I have to material subsidize others to attend games in my seats.
 
I believe most of what was said is spot on.

In general, the lower priced tix are easier to sell than higher priced seats. There just are more buyers who can afford to pay the price. Two years ago my seats cost $63 / per. My average selling price was $100/per game and they easily sold.

My seats now cost $100/per and maybe my average selling price is up to $130 . Therefore, margins have been cut. Now, any profit is basically gone after factoring in costs. As the price rises stubhub takes a larger share and fewer buyers are interested. Thus, any increase price, next year, will turn my subscription into small losses.

I hold onto the tix with the intent to breakeven on the games I fail to attend. I am paying for the games I do see. That's OK with me. I do have a call on playoff games so I do have a benefit. I will drop my subscription when I have to material subsidize others to attend games in my seats.
I'm with you. I don't mind paying for the games I attend. And, even though my wife and I are not sure how many games we can attend next year or moving forward as my daughter gets older and has her own activities, we plan to keep them as long as we do not have a problem selling the games we do not attend. Eating one every few years is one thing, if it gets to a point where I am giving the tickets away and begging people to take them, it will be a different story.
 
And, not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but having to play a home and home with the West every year at the expense of games against the division and conference hurts as well. I know, I know, they want Crosby and Ovechkin to play in every arena. Well, if those teams NEED Crosby and Ovechkin to visit each year to keep them afloat than they really need to reconsider their business model. Play the west once each, alternating the sight. 14 games. 5 against the division for 35 and 4 against the other division in the conference for 32. That is 81, play a 6th game against one team in the division on a rotating basis. Ridiculous that they visit Toronto and montreal comes here as many times as Nashville and Edmonton.
 
And, not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but having to play a home and home with the West every year at the expense of games against the division and conference hurts as well. I know, I know, they want Crosby and Ovechkin to play in every arena. Well, if those teams NEED Crosby and Ovechkin to visit each year to keep them afloat than they really need to reconsider their business model. Play the west once each, alternating the sight. 14 games. 5 against the division for 35 and 4 against the other division in the conference for 32. That is 81, play a 6th game against one team in the division on a rotating basis. Ridiculous that they visit Toronto and montreal comes here as many times as Nashville and Edmonton.

I think the 14 Western Conference games is the number one reason why us season ticket holders have to sell a fair number of games for under face value.
My specific reason is I have row 1 Gallery Seats. I just had to sell 4 against St. Louis for $100 each ( face value $135). I have my seats for tomorrow against the Islanders listed at face value on here, craigslist and another site. Haven't received one response for these tickets.
 
For you it is simple, your tickets are too expensive. At $118 there is very little room for profit on the premium games. The better majority of fans are not going to pay that much for a regular season game. I would contact your rep, let them know what you are experiencing. Let them know at these prices, you are not renewing. Doubt it will get your prices lowered, but it can't hurt to at least send the email.

Thanks all. The feedback in this thread has been very helpful.

Pat, this is the conclusion I'm beginning to come too. I intend on bringing this to the attention of my rep, but will wait until I get my Yankee Stadium skate time before doing so, lol.

For those with seats in the lower 200s, are these seats you acquired recently after a long wait, or seats you've had locked up for years? If I remain deeply in the red, I'll likely drop my tix and look to move to a more reasonable pricing tier, but am curious as to what kind of wait ill be looking at.

Plus, with dwindling interest in the lower bowl, I probably could re-acquire my old tix, or similar ones, fairly easily if I wanted to.
 
I am somewhat surprised to learn Western Conference teams are a hard sell. I mean, I 'get' that there is no geographical rivalry among those teams and the Rangers, but I would argue that the best hockey is being played right now in the West. By far.

The Blackhawks, Ducks, Blues, Sharks, Avalanche, and Kings all have more points right now than every Eastern Conference team with the exception of the Pens, and the first 3 teams listed are all scoring about 3.5 goals per game right now on average.

Yes, there are some dogs in the West like the Flames, Oilers and to some extent the Predators (just like who would want to pay top dollar to watch the Sabres, Panthers, and Hurricanes?), but I've had the pleasure of watching some exciting, fast-paced, and talented teams from the Western Conference this season.
 
I am somewhat surprised to learn Western Conference teams are a hard sell. I mean, I 'get' that there is no geographical rivalry among those teams and the Rangers, but I would argue that the best hockey is being played right now in the West. By far.

The Blackhawks, Ducks, Blues, Sharks, Avalanche, and Kings all have more points right now than every Eastern Conference team with the exception of the Pens, and the first 3 teams listed are all scoring about 3.5 goals per game right now on average.

Yes, there are some dogs in the West like the Flames, Oilers and to some extent the Predators (just like who would want to pay top dollar to watch the Sabres, Panthers, and Hurricanes?), but I've had the pleasure of watching some exciting, fast-paced, and talented teams from the Western Conference this season.

As a season ticket holder I don't necessarily stay away from going to the games against the better western conference teams but it seems that people buying tickets on the resale market aren't that interested.
 
Right, the teams may be good...but the casual fan has no idea how good those teams are, let alone that there is a hockey team in St. Louis. lol
 
I sold a game for $20 ($82 face value). Section 224, dead center ice. You can see EVERYTHING, it's close to the portal and right by the bathroom.

Pretty much sums up my season. I'd like to go to more games, but work and dating get in the way...
 
On the Canucks game I more than doubled my money and on the Wild and Blackhawks games I basically doubled my money all Western Teams. The Sharks game in March will also be a hot ticket. Granted The Canucks and Sharks are afternoon games. On the other hand the Jets,Predators.Kings and Flames were total dogs for me this year so it all is relative. The Kings game actually surprised me but a Sunday night in November up against football can be tough.
 

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