News Article: Quebec City, Andlauer and the Sparticat Fiasco

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Quebec City is in our region, so is Atlantic Canada. They get to see the same games we do. Why not take advantage of that.

The main thing is we need to win a championship to keep fans for all of those markets. That's what makes life long fans, not losing for 15+ years, trading away your generational superstar, or a mascot wearing some jersey.

I guess we should just rename the team Ottawa-Gatineau-Quebec City-Atlantic Canada Senators.

The majority of fans live in Ottawa, and have spent tens of thousands of dollars supporting this team over the years. Taking away home games from them is a great way to thank them for that support.

"This team belongs to the Ottawa-Gatineau community" said Michael Andlauer. "That's why my vision is to play less games there."
 
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I don't agree with the sentiment that you're small market so just fold your cards with marketing anywhere but Ottawa.

I think there's a huge opportunity to become the underdog that gets cheered for by all those sick of the big 2 in the region being crammed down their throats. Could pay dividends over time imo. The fact that it's literally part of their viewing region is a big factor here I'm sure.
 
I don't agree with the sentiment that you're small market so just fold your cards with marketing anywhere but Ottawa.

I think there's a huge opportunity to become the underdog that gets cheered for by all those sick of the big 2 in the region being crammed down their throats. Could pay dividends over time imo. The fact that it's literally part of their viewing region is a big factor here I'm sure.

This represents a very small group of people in Eastern Canada. The large majority of people are very happy to be Leafs or Habs fans. I don't think there's a big "anti big-2" hockey fan contingent... unless you're in a city like Ottawa and have your own team.

Those teams get so much attention because that's what the majority wants.
 
What does being an "insecure fan" even mean?

You can bury your head in the sand, but there's a realistic chance that one day, this franchise moves. Some people want to hold up Andlauer as some sort of saviour who'll always only be committed to Ottawa, but he's not that. That's just realism.

He's a businessperson who bought an NHL franchise (probably the only one he could afford), and this move signals that he's already looking at options for down the road if things don't go his way on the arena front.

So yeah the people who spend thousands of dollars a year supporting this team in Ottawa will be pissed off that the owner wants to play fewer games here, and is telling them to be excited about it.

For the record, I think going to play games in Sweden is stupid too.
Disagree, also a 1/2 season STH,
but yea you sound insecure that team will move.
 
They can not and will not assimilate. Too different.
I say it in jest, but there are a lot of fans in Quebec that cheer against the Habs just to be contrarian, I don't see any issue with giving those fans something to latch onto. Be ex-Nordiques' second team, some one to root for beating up on the habs.

Realistically, we aren't going to fully take over anywhere in Quebec, but we don't have to. I'm tired of people being afraid of the ghost of Melnyk, team isn't going anywhere so stop acting like everything is a threat, and open your arms to new markets.
 
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Disagree, also a 1/2 season STH,
but yea you sound insecure that team will move.

The team might move one day. If Quebec City wines and dines Andlauer and the arena talks fall apart here, it might happen sooner than we think. It's been a realistic possibility since the 90's, and remains so today. The Coyotes just moved, didn't they? Their arena plans fell apart and all of a sudden a new city with a rink was ready to embrace them.

Andlauer doesn't owe this market anything. He's testing the waters. But sure have blind faith in him as if he's your wife.

Would you cheer for the Quebec City Senators if they move? Since it doesn't matter where the team plays?
 
This might have something to do with one of the Ottawa Senators Investors liquidating his 12% stake in the team (George Armoyan) and Andlauer possibly is doing a show and tell to some Quebec City Billionnaire/millionnaire. There are a bunch in that area.
If we are talking about the potential regular season game, you invite your potential billionaire investors to a game in Ottawa and show off the team playing in a full house in a hard fought battle against the Habs, both on the ice and in the stands.

Actually, this applies even to the pre season games if you are putting on a show for an investor.

Having your team play in a neutral city does nothing to woo an investor.
 
This represents a very small group of people in Eastern Canada. The large majority of people are very happy to be Leafs or Habs fans. I don't think there's a big "anti big-2" hockey fan contingent... unless you're in a city like Ottawa and have your own team.

Those teams get so much attention because that's what the majority wants.
I still think there's an avenue to attract a demographic for the future and it's worth exploring. It's an entire province with 1 team and a history of being divided between 2 teams. Lean in to that. I don't agree with the suck it up, you only ever belong in Ottawa so accept you have a small package line of thinking. Get out there and try it.
 
Respectfully thats a narrow, small minded vision. Any franchise owner knows that expanding their brand is king, you do this by tapping into new markets. Right now an entire generation of Nordiques and Canadians faithful are turning over and a new generation of 'neutrals' are growing up. They are in our broadcast region so it makes perfect sense to go after that, its a missed opportunity not to.

We b1tch and moan about leafs and habs fans taking over the CTC and this is a building block in the long process of rectifying that. You're talking about a billion dollar business, if you aren't thinking big you are getting overshadowed and left behind. Let's ditch the inferiority complex and let Andlauer expand the sphere of influence. After 30 years the sens deserve a new outlook

Also. Everyone assume for a moment the arena gets built. I know we don't feel that way with recent news but an arena WILL get built. Dwell on that. Your attitude toward this move in QC completely shifts right? All of a sudden it feels pretty good that we are looking to grow outward.

All the people insecure about this will do a 180 when good news comes out about the arena.
Exactly this. Expand the brand. This franchise has done a awful or non existent job of appealing to people a close as in Gatineau for the most part. No one is moving a team to Quebec city. Every problem Ottawa has as a small market is worse in Quebec city, smaller population base, gov't town- even less non gov't employment as Ottawa. Quebec city cannot support an NHL team, they are in the Habs backyard but have hated the Habs since the Molson/Okeefe days. This opportunity has been there for a while, almost since the birth of the modern day sens and no one has tried to develop it. A lot of former Nordique fans became Bruin fans because of Bergeron. If only the Sens had a Qc city guy like Chabot who still lives there.

Lets be realistic, if you rely on just the greater ottawa area you are not selling enough tickets to justify the price he paid for the team and the cost of a new building. A couple preseason games in Qc is a great idea- probably earns more $$ that having them here in short term and starts building a base. That 5 year old kid who goes to his 1st NHl game in Qc may become a sens fan, esp if sens make habit of playing a game or 2 there. How about a reg season game? it will do more to build the brand to play in Qc city than it will in Sweden. Plus that 5 yr old kid who loves the sens may convince his dad to drive the 5 hrs to ottawa to watch the sens in their new barn.

If the NHl is to grow the brand they have to be more than a gate receipts league. Its going to take owners who understand that, embrace that. Ottawa has a great owner and the minute he tries to do something to help his team which in turn helps the fans here, a large portion of the fan base starts shitting on him.

I live in Ottawa (moved here in 2008 - fan of another team, stopped going to games with Eugene as owner- basically decided after one rant to many about fans of other teams in his building that he would never see another red cent from me. Went to 3 games last year, will probably hit 5+ this year. I love NHL hockey. I love living in a city with NHL hockey, I love having a great owner here to keep it that way. Small markets can have fans outside there market. I am a Green bay fan too, anyone else a fan of that team outside Wisconsin?

A couple preseason games in Qc is a great thing not something to bitch over. If he starts talking playing half his games in San Juan- then you have a problem but that will only happen if he doesn't succeed in expanding the brand.
 
I say it in jest, but there are a lot of fans in Quebec that cheer against the Habs just to be contrarian, I don't see any issue with giving those fans something to latch onto. Be ex-Nordiques' second team, some one to root for beating up on the habs.

Realistically, we aren't going to fully take over anywhere in Quebec, but we don't have to. I'm tired of people being afraid of the ghost of Melnyk, team isn't going anywhere so stop acting like everything is a threat, and open your arms to new markets.
I have no issue with this team moving I don’t believe something like that can be done.

That’s beside the point.
 
I still think there's an avenue to attract a demographic for the future and it's worth exploring. It's an entire province with 1 team and a history of being divided between 2 teams. Lean in to that. I don't agree with the suck it up, you only ever belong in Ottawa so accept you have a small package line of thinking. Get out there and try it.

I disagree. Quebec City wants the Nordiques, not the Senators. Could you win some fans? Sure. But it'll be negligible. And the rollout was so ham handed that the negative reaction is all anyone will remember.

We've played in the Maritimes during the pre-season a bunch over the years. There's no growing hotbed of Sens fans there. They all still cheer for the Leafs, Habs, Bruins or Pens.
 
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I still think there's an avenue to attract a demographic for the future and it's worth exploring. It's an entire province with 1 team and a history of being divided between 2 teams. Lean in to that. I don't agree with the suck it up, you only ever belong in Ottawa so accept you have a small package line of thinking. Get out there and try it.
Well you know random emo fans would know better after a very cursory look at something the execs and marketing teams with the Sens have been looking at for some time... What is the harm in trying to expand the fan base ? So you don't like how they are doing it... so what. You don't think it will work.. so what. Why is it so important to you to raise nothing burger issues around it.. what are you afraid of?

not saying you BonHoon
 
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The team might move one day. If Quebec City wines and dines Andlauer and the arena talks fall apart here, it might happen sooner than we think. It's been a realistic possibility since the 90's, and remains so today. The Coyotes just moved, didn't they? Their arena plans fell apart and all of a sudden a new city with a rink was ready to embrace them.

Andlauer doesn't owe this market anything. He's testing the waters. But sure have blind faith in him as if he's your wife.

Would you cheer for the Quebec City Senators if they move? Since it doesn't matter where the team plays?
That’s just your insecure opinion, I don’t share that view, but carry on with hyperbole.
I have no issues with trying to expand fans to the east.
 
That’s just your insecure opinion, I don’t share that view, but carry on with hyperbole.
I have no issues with trying to expand fans to the east.

Saying "insecure" over and over doesn't mean anything.

And sure, they can try. My argument is that it won't work. They're wasting their time. Nobody outside of Ottawa cares about the Senators, and that's not about to change in Quebec City. Just like it hasn't changed in the Maritimes.
 
Turning all of Quebec and the Maritimes into solid Sens land is a good thing to me. I'm just not frightened by hypotheticals of how we do it.

99.99% positive none of Quebec will ever ever ever be solid sens land. not Quebec City, not Rivière-du-Loup, not Trois Rivieres, and other than getting them to wander across the river to see live NHL hockey, not even Gatineau.

I can't believe that the Senators believe this fantasy.

The .01% is Reserved for if we knock off 2 or 3 cups over 6 years and maybe have a few French dudes still on the team. Further, kids tend to be front runners so I would bet the rate of Sens sweaters showing up on kids in Quebec would be no different than Sens sweaters showing up on kids in any area of north america.
 
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Should look to move chabot too. How does no one say shit on that jersey. And just shows lack of pride within the organization.

99.99% positive none of Quebec will ever ever ever be solid sens land. not Quebec City, not Rivière-du-Loup, not Trois Rivieres, and other than getting them to wander across the river to see live NHL hockey, not even Gatineau.

I can't believe that the Senators believe this fantasy.

The .01% is Reserved for if we knock off 2 or 3 cups over 6 years and maybe have a few French dudes still on the team. Further, kids tend to be front runners so I would bet the rate of Sens sweaters showing up on kids in Quebec would be no different than Sens sweaters showing up on kids in any area of north america.
We will be a full French team if we keep pandering you them.

And if they catch a French typo they’ll launch a lawsuit
 
99.99% positive none of Quebec will ever ever ever be solid sens land. not Quebec City, not Rivière-du-Loup, not Trois Rivieres, and other than getting them to wander across the river to see live NHL hockey, not even Gatineau.

I can't believe that the Senators believe this fantasy.

The .01% is Reserved for if we knock off 2 or 3 cups over 6 years and maybe have a few French dudes still on the team. Further, kids tend to be front runners so I would bet the rate of Sens sweaters showing up on kids in Quebec would be no different than Sens sweaters showing up on kids in any area of north america.

This narrative reminds me of how the Brooklyn Nets thought they'd steal market share from the Knicks. Being the "anti-Knicks" was going to be great! Turns out, nobody outside of a small slice of Brooklyn and New Jersey cares about the Nets. Never did and never will. They didn't even care when they blew their wad on Durant and Kyrie.

The idea that there's some major untapped anti-Habs population in Quebec and Maritimes just waiting to be converted by Michael Andlauer's Ottawa Senators is very funny.
 
I disagree. Quebec City wants the Nordiques, not the Senators. Could you win some fans? Sure. But it'll be negligible. And the rollout was so ham handed that the negative reaction is all anyone will remember.

We've played in the Maritimes during the pre-season a bunch over the years. There's no growing hotbed of Sens fans there. They all still cheer for the Leafs, Habs, Bruins or Pens.
I'm okay with disagreeing here. We obviously do. I think you guys should be more open to being wrong about some of this even though I understand why some don't like it.

I don't think it's that simple as Nordiques or bust. Obviously their preference would be to get their franchise back, but hockey fans are hockey fans and things can change. I became a Senators fan in the Yukon that's dominated by fans of other Canadian teams and it all started with their first playoff run and my dislike for the Leafs and Habs being the only teams they'd ever show on Hockey Night in Canada.
Well you know random emo fans would know better after a very cursory look at something the execs and marketing teams with the Sens have been looking at for some time... What is the harm in trying to expand the fan base ? So you don't like how they are doing it... so what. You don't think it will work.. so what. Why is it so important to you to raise nothing burger issues around it.. what are you afraid of?

not saying you BonHoon
Minds are made up on the motivations behind it. It happened for X reason and there's no moving off that. I guess it's hard to see a positive or be open to other possibilities when you've already decided.
 
I became a Senators fan in the Yukon that's dominated by fans of other Canadian teams and it all started with their first playoff run and my dislike for the Leafs and Habs being the only teams they'd ever show on Hockey Night in Canada.

I agree that you'll be able to build *some* loyalty for the Sens. Maybe a kid meets Thomas Chabot and becomes a fan for life. Great!

But doing it en masse? I.e tens of thousands of fans in Quebec City starting to watch games on TSN5, buying merchandise, and travelling to Ottawa during the regular season? No chance, IMO.

The impact will be negligible.

The whole announcement should have been a simple press release. Just like it was in the past for the Hockeyville games. The pageantry around it was very dumb, and it's surprising that someone like Ian Mendes was taken aback by the reaction... he reported on this team's off-ice drama for 20 years!
 
This narrative reminds me of how the Brooklyn Nets thought they'd steal market share from the Knicks. Being the "anti-Knicks" was going to be great! Turns out, nobody outside of a small slice of Brooklyn and New Jersey cares about the Nets. Never did and never will. They didn't even care when they blew their wad on Durant and Kyrie.

The idea that there's some major untapped anti-Habs population in Quebec and Maritimes just waiting to be converted by Michael Andlauer's Ottawa Senators is very funny.
It’s strange to hold the perspective that Ottawa is and always has been at risk of moving, and then simultaneously be critical of the owner trying what he can to expand the base. It’s a necessary piece of sustainability for this market. He wants people going to games from Gatineau, he wants Belleville fans to become Sens fans, he wants to draw in people from Quebec City. That doesn’t mean he’s not also simultaneously trying to grow in Ottawa too. Maybe all of this fails but it’s a much better strategy than thinking there is nothing to be done. Andlauer probably wouldn’t be a billionaire if he held that attitude.

People will bring their kids to the Sens games in QC, for a lot of them it will be their first NHL game. That’s how you create fans. And if they go home wanting more, they’re in the broadcasting region. It’s not gonna mass populate our fanbase overnight but of course it helps.
 
It’s strange to hold the perspective that Ottawa is and always has been at risk of moving, and then simultaneously be critical of the owner trying what he can to expand the base. It’s a necessary piece of sustainability for this market. He wants people going to games from Gatineau, he wants Belleville fans to become Sens fans, he wants to draw in people from Quebec City. That doesn’t mean he’s not also simultaneously trying to grow in Ottawa too. Maybe all of this fails but it’s a much better strategy than thinking there is nothing to be done. Andlauer probably wouldn’t be a billionaire if he held that attitude.

People will bring their kids to the Sens games in QC, for a lot of them it will be their first NHL game. That’s how you create fans. And if they go home wanting more, they’re in the broadcasting region. It’s not gonna mass populate our fanbase overnight but of course it helps.

I don’t think holding a press conference and publicly stating that your vision is to “play regular season games in Quebec City” is an effective way of endearing yourself to the existing fanbase in Ottawa, no.

If I was the owner, my priority would be filling the rink in Kanata and increasing the visibility of the Senators in the National Capital Region. Doing more events downtown, in the East end, in the Valley, etc.

Despite saying they would, to this point, they haven’t done much in that regard.

So making big a spectacle of playing games 400km away in a city to which you have zero connection while paying homage to a completely different NHL franchise would certainly not have been a priority.

And then having the President come out aghast that people are talking about the thing you yourself framed as a “major announcement” and not the Utah game?

Melnyk-esque idea and execution.
 
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It’s strange to hold the perspective that Ottawa is and always has been at risk of moving, and then simultaneously be critical of the owner trying what he can to expand the base. It’s a necessary piece of sustainability for this market. He wants people going to games from Gatineau, he wants Belleville fans to become Sens fans, he wants to draw in people from Quebec City. That doesn’t mean he’s not also simultaneously trying to grow in Ottawa too. Maybe all of this fails but it’s a much better strategy than thinking there is nothing to be done. Andlauer probably wouldn’t be a billionaire if he held that attitude.

People will bring their kids to the Sens games in QC, for a lot of them it will be their first NHL game. That’s how you create fans. And if they go home wanting more, they’re in the broadcasting region. It’s not gonna mass populate our fanbase overnight but of course it helps.
Exactly you’re trying to grab some fans at a young age, that will become lifelong fans.
Your post was a breath of fresh air, as opposed to the hyperbole of
You think tens of thousands of Québec fans are coming en masse to Ottawa.”
 
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