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GDT: Quarterfinals - May 19 - Czech Republic (1) vs USA (2) (SO)

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Jakub1904 said:
Not sure if it makes you feel any better, but I would give anything for our hockey to be on the same level as yours currently is :laugh:
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It doesn't, but thanks:) I feel sorry for you guys for where you end up. Hope you get back on track somewhen. Still comparison with Slovakia should not be our measurment for now. Even if USA has good golies, thats not an excuse for one goal in last two matches against. Either we lack enery or do something wrong, but somebody should seriously think about it and find out the way how to deal with it,if there is any.... I am just afraid thats a matter of individual skills.....
 
That was the most pathetic and boring game of hockey I have seen in many many years.
 
tade said:
I am not making any excuses. We deserved to lose this game due to manner in which we approached this game.
Sure, there is a big difference in skating, skills, creativity... between their young players from universities/AHL and some of our europeans. They are basically complete players at the age of ~20 and they were developed in one of the best junior system. Players like Larkin, Matthews will make you look dumb sometimes, no wonder. But it is what it is for quite some time now, Canada, USA, Sweden, Russia and now even Finland are on different level in juniors compared to us. I don't think that it will change somehow soon but hopefully I am wrong.

I am talking about the success on senior level and quite frankly, if we advance to semifinal, then we have to consider as success no matter what happens after. Let's be realistic. Especially with teams like this. Sure, the way we produce young players is related to WHC and all other senior tournaments but it is on entirely different discussion.
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Then I am afraid we end up like Slovakia soon. I dont have a problem with Larkin, Matthews, I have a problem with quality of our shots, of how we skate, how we make the traffic and how we are able to keep a pace of the game. We are already working with guys from that weak juniors programs so we obviously bring them up later, like Jerabek who is in age when Slegr was already regular national player. Still I would suppose that we can somehow adjust to US or Canadian play, especially when they bring "B" goalies. And thats obviously an issue. And if we are not able to do that, then why we should belong to top nations?

I still thought we should have high goals and targets. IIHF websites talk about czechs having several straight years without any medal. And we celebrating our 4th places.....?Thats a difference in attitude. Then we obviously do the same like slovaks who were like " common guys, silver is miracle, realistically we should fight for QF". Except slovaks are more and more in deep "****" (sorry guys) and they are realistically talking about avoiding relegations now.....
 
Jablkon said:
Then I am afraid we end up like Slovakia soon. I dont have a problem with Larkin, Matthews, I have a problem with quality of our shots, of how we skate, how we make the traffic and how we are able to keep a pace of the game. We are already working with guys from that weak juniors programs so we obviously bring them up later, like Jerabek who is in age when Slegr was already regular national player. Still I would suppose that we can somehow adjust to US or Canadian play, especially when they bring "B" goalies. And thats obviously an issue. And if we are not able to do that, then why we should belong to top nations?

I still thought we should have high goals and targets. IIHF websites talk about czechs having several straight years without any medal. And we celebrating our 4th places.....?Thats a difference in attitude. Then we obviously do the same like slovaks who were like " common guys, silver is miracle, realistically we should fight for QF". Except slovaks are more and more in deep "****" (sorry guys) and they are realistically talking about avoiding relegations now.....
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No, I am not celebrating 4th places, I am just saying that it is success these days, well it sucks that we lost 2 bronze medal games, yeah, that's bad, especially last year. But at least we were able to go through QF game, there were times (multiple years) we couldn't even win QF, it is not that long ago.

We are still top hockey nation, just not on the level of Canada, Russia, Sweden, USA and now also not on Finland. Behind them, there we are, 6th. Although, best-on-best, we are still up there with Finland, imo, at least until Laine, Puljujarvi, Rantanen, Aho, Lindell, Pokka and co. really take over Finlands senior team.

I want to be in better position, too, but right now we are far away from the better than 6th place. I don't think that we'll end up like Slovakia, don't think that it is a possibility. We still should continue to be better than that, easily.
 
tade said:
No, I am not celebrating 4th places, I am just saying that it is success these days, well it sucks that we lost 2 bronze medal games, yeah, that's bad, especially last year. But at least we were able to go through QF game, there were times (multiple years) we couldn't even win QF, it is not that long ago.

We are still top hockey nation, just not on the level of Canada, Russia, Sweden, USA and now also not on Finland. Behind them, there we are, 6th. Although, best-on-best, we are still up there with Finland, imo, at least until Laine, Puljujarvi, Rantanen, Aho, Lindell, Pokka and co. really take over Finlands senior team.

I want to be in better position, too, but right now we are far away from the better than 6th place. I don't think that we'll end up like Slovakia, don't think that it is a possibility. We still should continue to be better than that, easily.
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I agree. Hope we dont end up like Slovakia. Still I feel bitter because there are some things in our junior program wich are completely misterious to me. I might open special discussion for it here. I overreacted but this was mostly because some czech posters here defend our team in a way that it was coincidence or Kinkaid which caused our elimination. Having remember game from last year I dont see any coincidence neither US goalies as a reason...

Speaking about lost QF, there is difference between those lost because of lack of team effort, bad luck and those lost because of you are simply worst or lack something. Typically 2002 OG QF against Russia. Russians deserved it, but we played well. it wasn't game that should make you worry about future. Watching these last US matches I am afraid we are entering the era when we loose because we simply dont know how to win it or we lack skills, and thats what Makes me depressed. I dont remember any time we lost and I would say, we were individually much worse. And if we were, we add same percentage to team effort etc. But our effort, motivation etc. is on top now and I still see quality gaps in our game. Watching Kaspar, who is supposed to be one of our better skaters, looking almost immovable in his D zone is depressing... so as Koukal's skating this tourney, Kovar typically today. Thornton would look better than them and he is not being picked for big ice....On the other hand props to Cervenka. I was quite pessimistic about him because I always thought he could be difference player which he never established himself. However he was also critized for his skating and he is somehow able to eliminate this weakness on int. stage. We almost dont have any dynamic players and most of our players lack same things. We have tons of these high IQ soft hands passers. But most of them are soft and lack explosivness. Thats probably one of more reasons we are not able to beat especially US or Canada. Except first line, Birner and Repik tried to play modern hockey, the rest was very questionable. D looked very good overall...
 
sucks that wood and santini were scratches :/
at least kinkaid played well, that should up his trade value a bit
 
This USA team is awful. Defense getting hemmed in the defensive end, poor breakout and no secondary scoring outside of Larkin and Matthews. They're going to get destroyed by Canada.
 
GordieHoweHatTrick said:
This USA team is awful. Defense getting hemmed in the defensive end, poor breakout and no secondary scoring outside of Larkin and Matthews. They're going to get destroyed by Canada.
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Personally, I'm fine with all of that. Playing for a medal with this squad is a great sgn for USA hockey.
 
kp61c said:
wat? usa is not kind of team to be afraid of, they lost to germany for christ's sake
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US outshot Germany badly...and only sub par goaltending vs Griess and a seeing eye shot from the point in the last minute did them in...As I said earlier, if this Yank team ( bereft of blue chip talent after Larkin and Matthews as it is ) played Germany 10 times, Germany would be lucky to win 4
 
Scotty B said:
Again 2 years running...although I liked last year's Team USA roster better...
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The saving grace for the US team is that the kids actually seem to give a ****. When they bring a world class team to a tournament and lose a big game they just give up unless they play for gold. This team looks like it should be done by now but they make up what they lack in skill with youth and drive. Even the leaders on the team know it's not like they are going to be on the Olympic squad, guys like Maroon and McCabe may never get a chance like this again.
 
With a one-day interval I still don't get how the Refs couldn't see clear offside before team USA scored a goal!

But I am ok with this final result of Czech team. They didn't lose a single game in regulation time. With this roster it is something like miracle for me.
 
Lakai said:
This was my first game I caught all tournament so I'm way behind but wow did the U.S. team look out of sync. What is up with the roster by the way? They sent no one of note outside of Matthews and Larkin. Kinkaid looked great but I don't expect him to continue on that level, I hope I'm wrong but they are going to get smashed vs Canada.

Only in the semis because they Czechs decided to take the game off.

I've never felt so mehhh after seeing a team I'm rooting for win.
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Kinkaid gets hot and cold. If he is on a hot streak though watch out. He looks like he's getting better as he adjusts to the bigger ice. There is a reason Hines picked him.
 
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