News Article: Puempel trashes sens
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I wouldn't say that is trashing the Sens. I have zero problem with a player being honest if that's how they truly feel. That is a pretty fair assessment of Puempel's time in Ottawa, but that doesn't mean that the Sens were wrong for going that direction. Whether or not it is smart for a waiver level player to talk negatively about a former team in a world as tight knit and sensitive as the hockey world is another discussion. Maybe it would have been better for him to stick to "Pucks in deep".
I can see it from both sides. I think the guy had a bit of trouble picking up on Boucher's system, and as a result wasn't one of Boucher's guys. With watching him in his limited time on the top lines, in the FLA (?) game he directly ****ed up and caused a goal. From there it seems like he was off the top line, and that was his last game before being waived. The thing is, that even Ryan Dzingel who has been one of Ottawa's best offensive forwards was never handed first line time. The guy was all up and down the lineup at the start of the season. The Sens have a mantra now that the NHL is not a development league. Whether it would have made sense to give Puempel half a dozen games on the top 6 and on the power play to see if he could catch on, I don't know....but clearly it wasn't going to happen if he wasn't stepping up in limited roles.
He is definitely a finisher/complimentary guy who isn't going to create on his own in the bottom 6 in the same way that a speedy playmaker with Dzingel's vision is going to. Does that mean he wasn't trying? Or does that mean he wasn't a good fit for what the Sens are doing now? The game he fought and talked about playing his role regardless of where he was put in the lineup made it seem like he was responding to something, like maybe that was a criticism of the coaching staff towards him and trying to show he can be a fighter and play a chippy 4th line role was his response. All speculation of course.
I though the guy could translate as a complimentary scorer in the top 6, but I might have been wrong. It is clear that the Sens weren't going to just hand him that opportunity, so waiving him made sense since there were better options for the bottom 6. It reflects poorly on him that Lazar came back and outplayed him in his first game back, and that despite the Sens having a gluttony of top 6 injuries, he couldn't step up and make a name for himself like Dzingel has done.
I can see it from both sides. I think the guy had a bit of trouble picking up on Boucher's system, and as a result wasn't one of Boucher's guys. With watching him in his limited time on the top lines, in the FLA (?) game he directly ****ed up and caused a goal. From there it seems like he was off the top line, and that was his last game before being waived. The thing is, that even Ryan Dzingel who has been one of Ottawa's best offensive forwards was never handed first line time. The guy was all up and down the lineup at the start of the season. The Sens have a mantra now that the NHL is not a development league. Whether it would have made sense to give Puempel half a dozen games on the top 6 and on the power play to see if he could catch on, I don't know....but clearly it wasn't going to happen if he wasn't stepping up in limited roles.
He is definitely a finisher/complimentary guy who isn't going to create on his own in the bottom 6 in the same way that a speedy playmaker with Dzingel's vision is going to. Does that mean he wasn't trying? Or does that mean he wasn't a good fit for what the Sens are doing now? The game he fought and talked about playing his role regardless of where he was put in the lineup made it seem like he was responding to something, like maybe that was a criticism of the coaching staff towards him and trying to show he can be a fighter and play a chippy 4th line role was his response. All speculation of course.
I though the guy could translate as a complimentary scorer in the top 6, but I might have been wrong. It is clear that the Sens weren't going to just hand him that opportunity, so waiving him made sense since there were better options for the bottom 6. It reflects poorly on him that Lazar came back and outplayed him in his first game back, and that despite the Sens having a gluttony of top 6 injuries, he couldn't step up and make a name for himself like Dzingel has done.
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I don't know what's dumber, Puempel not knowing when to shut his mouth, or the posters who think he wasn't given ample opportunity here.
Puempel wasn't even deserving of the many games he got while here, so to think he should have been handed top-6 time when he showed nothing is hilarious. He was clearly not buying into Boucher's system, which in all evidence has been a success so far. Guess he just wants the coach to let him do his thing and not bother him with all that boring practice stuff.
Goodbye Matt, have fun scoring 5 goals with NY before you end up in Europe in a few years.
Puempel wasn't even deserving of the many games he got while here, so to think he should have been handed top-6 time when he showed nothing is hilarious. He was clearly not buying into Boucher's system, which in all evidence has been a success so far. Guess he just wants the coach to let him do his thing and not bother him with all that boring practice stuff.
Goodbye Matt, have fun scoring 5 goals with NY before you end up in Europe in a few years.
I've been saying it for awhile: playing a pure goal scorer on the 4th line beside Kelly and Neil was not good coaching. Obvious that Puempel needed to play with skill players to succeed, never got the chance to succeed this season.
He comes off as a fool for trashing his former team, but that doesn't mean his criticisms aren't valid. He was mismanaged here, no question.
He comes off as a fool for trashing his former team, but that doesn't mean his criticisms aren't valid. He was mismanaged here, no question.
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You should be an NHL coach man. Boucher must be pretty dumb not to use a "pure goal scorer" every chance he gets!
Alright, let's look at the stats from 2015-16
Even Strength Line Combinations
Freq Line Combination
36.9% PUEMPEL,MATT - RYAN,BOBBY - ZIBANEJAD,MIKA
18.1% PAGEAU,JEAN-GABRIEL - PUEMPEL,MATT - STONE,MARK
17.2% PUEMPEL,MATT - STONE,MARK - ZIBANEJAD,MIKA
14.3% LAZAR,CURTIS - PAUL,NICK - PUEMPEL,MATT
13.5% CHIASSON,ALEX - LAZAR,CURTIS - PUEMPEL,MATT
- See more at: http://dobberhockey.com/players/matt-puempel/2015-2016/regular#sthash.mSH02Hyt.dpuf
One of you smarter people out here....does that literally mean that he spent 1/3 of his shifts with Ryan and Zbad? If so that pulls the rug out from under his argument...
As for this year:
Even Strength Line Combinations
Freq Line Combination
56.4% KELLY,CHRIS - NEIL,CHRISTOPHER - PUEMPEL,MATT
19.4% MCCORMICK,MAX - NEIL,CHRISTOPHER - PUEMPEL,MATT
10.6% JOORIS,JOSH - PUEMPEL,MATT - VESEY,JIMMY
7.4% BLUNDEN,MICHAEL - KELLY,CHRIS - PUEMPEL,MATT
6.1% DZINGEL,RYAN - PUEMPEL,MATT - TURRIS,KYLE
- See more at: http://dobberhockey.com/players/matt-puempel/2016-2017/regular#sthash.dQsVCWVr.dpuf
Ya, he played mainly third line, put given his production last year, did he really deserve to be on the 1st line
Even Strength Line Combinations
Freq Line Combination
36.9% PUEMPEL,MATT - RYAN,BOBBY - ZIBANEJAD,MIKA
18.1% PAGEAU,JEAN-GABRIEL - PUEMPEL,MATT - STONE,MARK
17.2% PUEMPEL,MATT - STONE,MARK - ZIBANEJAD,MIKA
14.3% LAZAR,CURTIS - PAUL,NICK - PUEMPEL,MATT
13.5% CHIASSON,ALEX - LAZAR,CURTIS - PUEMPEL,MATT
- See more at: http://dobberhockey.com/players/matt-puempel/2015-2016/regular#sthash.mSH02Hyt.dpuf
One of you smarter people out here....does that literally mean that he spent 1/3 of his shifts with Ryan and Zbad? If so that pulls the rug out from under his argument...
As for this year:
Even Strength Line Combinations
Freq Line Combination
56.4% KELLY,CHRIS - NEIL,CHRISTOPHER - PUEMPEL,MATT
19.4% MCCORMICK,MAX - NEIL,CHRISTOPHER - PUEMPEL,MATT
10.6% JOORIS,JOSH - PUEMPEL,MATT - VESEY,JIMMY
7.4% BLUNDEN,MICHAEL - KELLY,CHRIS - PUEMPEL,MATT
6.1% DZINGEL,RYAN - PUEMPEL,MATT - TURRIS,KYLE
- See more at: http://dobberhockey.com/players/matt-puempel/2016-2017/regular#sthash.dQsVCWVr.dpuf
Ya, he played mainly third line, put given his production last year, did he really deserve to be on the 1st line
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Just because Boucher is an NHL head coach doesn't mean he can't be wrong from time to time. His position also doesn't put him above criticism.
Stats show that he spent almost all of his time in Ottawa this year with Kelly and Neil, McCormick and Neil, or Kelly and Blunden. Hardly an environment suited for a guy who's value consists almost entirely of his ability to shoot the puck and score when given opportunities to do so.
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However if he's had the opportunity in the past and never taken advantage of that, why would a new coach think this is the time he is going to suddenly get better? To top off we don't know what was happening behind the scenes.
If I worked in a place and never did well with sick patients, I wouldn't expect a new manager to come in and suddenly give me the benefit of the doubt without showing I can work hard and have a good attitude doing the simple jobs well.
ya, thats it. If manage 3 points playing 1/3 of your time with Zbad and Ryan (top 6 guys) for 26 games, what makes you think that that guy is entitled to continue to be given that kinda opportunity?
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Stats show that when a player doesn't show anything when given opportunities, he won't be handed more of them in the future.
What exactly are you expecting here?
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So play your 12th best forward with a top line? New coaching strategy. Play your worst player with your best players so your worst player (only playing due to injury) will get more chances to prove he is a better player?
I prefer to play the worst player on the team the fewest minutes and if he proves he can play well give him more ice time. Call me crazy.
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Even then, was his shot really high end for the nhl?
Only once have i seen a decent shot from him.
When a guy has a killer shot you notice it right away. Before Hoffman broke out, even in warmups or practice you'd see Lazer beam after Lazer beam.
You don't see that at all from puempel.
His shot looks significantly worse than all our top 6 guys' shots. Turris, Hoffman, stone, brassard, ryan, etc all have better shots.
Even pageau we see beat goalies from far out with quick wristers. Don't see that from puempel.
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When 3 different NHL coaches all felt that Puempel wasn't good enough to move up in the lineup, I think we can start to safely conclude that the guy was obviously not a victim.
He was 100% given the spot he had in the Rangers lineup. He never earned it, like he was asked to do in Ottawa. I'd love to hear his opinion on who he should have be playing ahead of in the Sens lineup.
Him going on record and whining about Ottawa's play style and the poor treatment he feels like he got there is very immature.
Dorion even said they that knew he was probably going to get claimed when they put him on waivers, and did it anyways in fairness to Matt and giving him a chance to go make it somewhere else.
Good riddance at this point imo.
The term pure goal scorer is laughable when used to describe this guy. He doesn't do the one thing needed to earn that label.
Breaking down linemate %'s for a guy with ~50 NHL games spread over three seasons seems not ideal.
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He'll soon join other all stars like Kaspar Daugavins and Tobias Lindberg who talk **** about their former team.
In hindsight, I probably should have said better than average due to his scoring ability in the Juniors and AHL.
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Because he scored a goal for the Rangers that proves he was mismanaged by the Senators?!
What the hell kind of reasoning is that?!?!
Ottawa could do a better job of developing their young players. For some reason they do well in juniors and the Ahl but lose their confidence when they get to the Sens. Why I don't know? Ziban was sort of lousy playing for Ottawa but before getting hurt was a different player for the Rangers after the trade. I am sure there are other examples who crashed in Ottawa and excelled elsewhere. Is Hossa a good example, Patrick Eaves?
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Nah, it was definitely poor form to talk about the Sens....but, it's also a Larry Brooks article. You know how that guy works with his takes.
At the same time, I do kinda feel bad for a kid liek this. A pure shooter, are you completely dependant on others getting you the puck. That's why, if you go that route to the NHL, you damned well better be a (Patrick) Kane level sniper, or you're not going to make it. That's why being a 'complete' player is so important. Even if you aren't the greatest in other aspects of the game, if you're at least working hard and working on those other skills and are reasonably competent in other areas, you'll keep getting chances. Some of these kids need to realize the NHL isn't a regular 9 to 5 job....there are literally millions of young guns working their butts off to take your place on the roster. You need to be enthusiastic about any opportunity and assignment you get at the pro level. Give less than 100%, and you'll lose your job pretty quickly.
At the same time, I do kinda feel bad for a kid liek this. A pure shooter, are you completely dependant on others getting you the puck. That's why, if you go that route to the NHL, you damned well better be a (Patrick) Kane level sniper, or you're not going to make it. That's why being a 'complete' player is so important. Even if you aren't the greatest in other aspects of the game, if you're at least working hard and working on those other skills and are reasonably competent in other areas, you'll keep getting chances. Some of these kids need to realize the NHL isn't a regular 9 to 5 job....there are literally millions of young guns working their butts off to take your place on the roster. You need to be enthusiastic about any opportunity and assignment you get at the pro level. Give less than 100%, and you'll lose your job pretty quickly.
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